Menstruation(kate/Zsuzsa/supporting evidence)

[Guest guest]

> --- southladogs <southladogs> wrote:

 

> > Here are a couple of excellent links describing in

> > detail the natural ovulation cycle when one is raw vegan, and the

> > pathology of menstruation:

> > http://www.waldorfhomeschoolers.com/menstruation.htm

> > http://www.vegan-straight-edge.org.uk/FOODGYNA.HTM

> > Zsuzsa

 

rawfood , " C. Hudson " <cremedemoka> wrote:

>

> Again, websites can say whatever they like. It seems

> some just state claims without facts and studies to back

> them up. Just because you like what they say or would

> like to believe what they say is true doesn't make it

> so. This is all not to flame anyone or their ideas. I just

> can't believe that the majority of women who go to a raw

> diet are going to stop menstruating. If you do, it

> would behoove you to find out why. It may or may not be

> a problem. I would however expect to see an improvement

> or lessening in very problematic and heavy periods.

> It just simply is not the way we evolved no matter what

> a certain website may say.

>

> Kate

 

Kate I would like to add that there is a complete bibliography at the

end of the waldorfhomeschoolers website concerning menstruation...16

references to be exact. Thus, it's not entirely accurate to state

that the website referred by Zsuzsa lacks supporting evidence. I'm in

the process of referring to those sites to make an informed decision

before stating categorically it is innacurate or

accurate...understandably that will take time. However, your

statements did not include supporting evidence. To balance out my

research, would you by any chance have references which support your

view? Or may I ask where you acquired your information? I'd like to

compare both sides of the coin. Thanks to both of you ladies. Lili

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Lili " <ladyschaumburg> wrote:

 

> I'd like to

> compare both sides of the coin.

 

Thank you. I would suggest reading the book, " Is Menstruation

Necessary? " also. I believe it's out of print, but you can find it

used.

 

And WOW!!! I just found the entire book on-line! You can read it at:

 

http://www.fireinsidemusic.com/anger/sunny/words_10.htm

 

 

And here are some additional quotes:

 

Dr. Shelton wrote:

" The fact that the whole ovulation cycle can occur time after time

without the loss of blood,

and can and does this in so many cases, especially in women and

whole tribes and races

living 'less civilized', more natural lives, should cause us to

doubt that menstruation is either

necessary or normal. The fact that it is in the healthiest and

strongest women that there is

no loss of blood and that the loss of blood increases in proportion

to the decline in physical

vigor, should cause us to conclude that this, like all other losses

of blood, is abnormal. "

 

 

http://www.users.bigpond.com/conover/WB/WB.htm

 

Menstruation -- Is It Really Necessary?

 

Women call it " the Curse " with feeling and good reason - the monthly

bleeding of menstruation, with its days of inconvenience, discomfort

and pain, is the bane of women's existence from menarche to

menopause. So universal in our modern culture is this miserable

experience that it is assumed to be inevitable. Doctors and the

women's media attempt to cast it in a favourable light with trite

comments about " welcoming " it as the sign and sacrifice one makes

in " becoming a woman " . Yet there is probably not a woman anywhere

who wouldn't gladly do away with it if she safely could!

 

In fact, menstruation as most of us experience it is neither natural

nor healthy. Ovulation does not depend on it. And it can be changed

very much for the better - even to the extent of not experiencing it

at all yet remaining healthy and fertile. How this can be done has

been known and written about by health practitioners for centuries,

and practised just as long by women willing to make the simple but

significant lifestyle changes involved.

 

So why haven't most of us heard about this before?

 

It is because the lifestyle improvements involved, although simple,

are quite a change from most modern women's habits of living and

eating. No drugs or even nutritional supplements are required, but

what is essential is the adoption of what health writer Leslie

Kenton calls a " high raw way of eating " .

 

In practice this means that each meal contains more fresh, raw foods

than cooked or processed foods; that animal product foods are

eliminated altogether, along with salt, sugar, alcohol, refined fats

and oils, most condiments, artificial additives and stimulating

beverages. Many people say that they " would rather die than give up

all that tasty stuff! " And indeed they will -- after living years in

increasingly poorer health, through menstruation and

menopausal " symptoms " , and often ending with heart disease and

cancer.

 

If you are a young woman and not yet experiencing the uncomfortable

and worrying signs of hormone imbalance that increasingly plague

women from the mid-thirties on, then you may baulk at making such as

change. But think back to when you were a teenager, just after

experiencing your first period - did you say, as so many do, " I'd do

anything if I could get rid of these periods! " Certainly older women

who have found out about the connection between diet and

menstruation often say, " If I'd known this as a girl, I'd surely

have changed - but I don't have the determination and drive now. "

They are literally worn out by decades of " the Curse " , drained of

health, vitality and enthusiasm. Some of these women are probably

thinking, " It's not long until menopause - I'll put up with it all a

bit longer, then it'll be over. " Unfortunately, only the bleeding

will be over, often after years of miserably irregular menstruation.

And the related signs of ill health soon become so dramatic they

can't be ignored: osteoporosis, cysts and tumours, and rapid ageing

among them. At this point, older women may once again feel motivated

to improve their lot, even if it does involve big lifestyle changes.

 

Zsuzsa

[Guest guest]

As always Zsuzsa, thank you for the wealth of information. Lili

rawfood , " southladogs " <southladogs>

wrote:

> rawfood , " Lili " <ladyschaumburg> wrote:

>

> > I'd like to

> > compare both sides of the coin.

>

> Thank you. I would suggest reading the book, " Is Menstruation

> Necessary? " also. I believe it's out of print, but you can find it

> used.

>

> And WOW!!! I just found the entire book on-line! You can read it at:

>

> http://www.fireinsidemusic.com/anger/sunny/words_10.htm

>

>

> And here are some additional quotes:

>

> Dr. Shelton wrote:

> " The fact that the whole ovulation cycle can occur time after time

> without the loss of blood,

> and can and does this in so many cases, especially in women and

> whole tribes and races

> living 'less civilized', more natural lives, should cause us to

> doubt that menstruation is either

> necessary or normal. The fact that it is in the healthiest and

> strongest women that there is

> no loss of blood and that the loss of blood increases in proportion

> to the decline in physical

> vigor, should cause us to conclude that this, like all other losses

> of blood, is abnormal. "

>

>

> http://www.users.bigpond.com/conover/WB/WB.htm

>

> Menstruation -- Is It Really Necessary?

>

> Women call it " the Curse " with feeling and good reason - the

monthly

> bleeding of menstruation, with its days of inconvenience,

discomfort

> and pain, is the bane of women's existence from menarche to

> menopause. So universal in our modern culture is this miserable

> experience that it is assumed to be inevitable. Doctors and the

> women's media attempt to cast it in a favourable light with trite

> comments about " welcoming " it as the sign and sacrifice one makes

> in " becoming a woman " . Yet there is probably not a woman anywhere

> who wouldn't gladly do away with it if she safely could!

>

> In fact, menstruation as most of us experience it is neither

natural

> nor healthy. Ovulation does not depend on it. And it can be changed

> very much for the better - even to the extent of not experiencing

it

> at all yet remaining healthy and fertile. How this can be done has

> been known and written about by health practitioners for centuries,

> and practised just as long by women willing to make the simple but

> significant lifestyle changes involved.

>

> So why haven't most of us heard about this before?

>

> It is because the lifestyle improvements involved, although simple,

> are quite a change from most modern women's habits of living and

> eating. No drugs or even nutritional supplements are required, but

> what is essential is the adoption of what health writer Leslie

> Kenton calls a " high raw way of eating " .

>

> In practice this means that each meal contains more fresh, raw

foods

> than cooked or processed foods; that animal product foods are

> eliminated altogether, along with salt, sugar, alcohol, refined

fats

> and oils, most condiments, artificial additives and stimulating

> beverages. Many people say that they " would rather die than give up

> all that tasty stuff! " And indeed they will -- after living years

in

> increasingly poorer health, through menstruation and

> menopausal " symptoms " , and often ending with heart disease and

> cancer.

>

> If you are a young woman and not yet experiencing the uncomfortable

> and worrying signs of hormone imbalance that increasingly plague

> women from the mid-thirties on, then you may baulk at making such

as

> change. But think back to when you were a teenager, just after

> experiencing your first period - did you say, as so many do, " I'd

do

> anything if I could get rid of these periods! " Certainly older

women

> who have found out about the connection between diet and

> menstruation often say, " If I'd known this as a girl, I'd surely

> have changed - but I don't have the determination and drive now. "

> They are literally worn out by decades of " the Curse " , drained of

> health, vitality and enthusiasm. Some of these women are probably

> thinking, " It's not long until menopause - I'll put up with it all

a

> bit longer, then it'll be over. " Unfortunately, only the bleeding

> will be over, often after years of miserably irregular

menstruation.

> And the related signs of ill health soon become so dramatic they

> can't be ignored: osteoporosis, cysts and tumours, and rapid ageing

> among them. At this point, older women may once again feel

motivated

> to improve their lot, even if it does involve big lifestyle changes.

>

> Zsuzsa