Cleansing...What do you think?

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone, Here is my thinking/line of questioning. Your answers will be

appreciated, whether short or long, and I look forward to them:

 

I feel that I know that I have been unable to lose the 20 extra pounds I

have on me simply because my body is using the fat as a place to store the

toxins. I have fluid in my ears leftover from ear infections as a child (I

was treated with antibiotics many times). I have problems with my vaginal

pH, period cramps, and bloating. (I know this is considered normal to many

people but I think, as a list, we agree menstral problems are not normal.)

I also have mild problems with depression or moods and my energy

levels/sleeping patterns. I feel that being detoxed will help me.

 

OK having said all that, my problem is twofold: One, I am not sure my daily

life can sustain a long term fast. Two, I am worried about getting really,

really sick.

 

My daily life includes the care of a toddler, homeschooling two other

children, and running a home where a total of 4 children and two adults

live. We run a business from our home, and my husband is away every weekend

from Friday night until Sunday morning. I have a lot of responsibilities,

many which require being on my feet and moving around a lot. I can

organize, plan and prepare for a fast, but I cannot give up my post as

female head of household even for a day. Can I cleanse and keep up? What

do you suggest?

 

And about getting sick. Must I, beyond flulike symptoms? What do you

recommend? Is a fruit cleanse slower paced than, say, Master Cleanse? I

really don't want my lymphatic system to freak out and dump so much stuff

that my body can't cleanse fast enough.

 

Thank you so much, I look forward to your help and appreciate you all so

much! -Barbara

 

Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with me.

[Guest guest]

>I am worried about getting really, really sick.

-

Barbara: Don't worry; Be HEALTHY:)

Before deliberate detoxifying, if you invest in a few weeks non-toxifying,

your body will detoxify at it's own pace.

 

 

If you start Right NOW and don't take any more garbage in and seek healthful

food instead for you and your kids it's so easy.

Along the way you might want to kick start with a cleansing fast on either

juice or Master Cleanse to keep your energy up. You'll know when you're

ready.

But if you start right now seeking only healthful food your worries will

all be put to rest.

-

>and let it begin with me.

When you treat your body as if you love it you won't ever put garbage in

it:).

rusty

 

-

" Barbara J " <pearls25

<rawfood >

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:00 PM

[Raw Food] Cleansing...What do you think?

 

 

> Hi Everyone, Here is my thinking/line of questioning. Your answers will

be

> appreciated, whether short or long, and I look forward to them:

>

> I feel that I know that I have been unable to lose the 20 extra pounds I

> have on me simply because my body is using the fat as a place to store the

> toxins. I have fluid in my ears leftover from ear infections as a child (I

> was treated with antibiotics many times). I have problems with my vaginal

> pH, period cramps, and bloating. (I know this is considered normal to

many

> people but I think, as a list, we agree menstral problems are not normal.)

> I also have mild problems with depression or moods and my energy

> levels/sleeping patterns. I feel that being detoxed will help me.

>

> OK having said all that, my problem is twofold: One, I am not sure my

daily

> life can sustain a long term fast. Two, I am worried about getting

really,

> really sick.

>

> My daily life includes the care of a toddler, homeschooling two other

> children, and running a home where a total of 4 children and two adults

> live. We run a business from our home, and my husband is away every

weekend

> from Friday night until Sunday morning. I have a lot of responsibilities,

> many which require being on my feet and moving around a lot. I can

> organize, plan and prepare for a fast, but I cannot give up my post as

> female head of household even for a day. Can I cleanse and keep up? What

> do you suggest?

>

> And about getting sick. Must I, beyond flulike symptoms? What do you

> recommend? Is a fruit cleanse slower paced than, say, Master Cleanse? I

> really don't want my lymphatic system to freak out and dump so much stuff

> that my body can't cleanse fast enough.

>

> Thank you so much, I look forward to your help and appreciate you all so

> much! -Barbara

>

> Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with me.

>

 

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

 

Before I start, I want to state that what is going to

follow has been a 'bone of contention' between Natural

Hygenists and Ehretists (follows of Arnold Ehret)

since the early 1900's. Therefore, I would not be

surprised if it is unacceptable to some in this group.

Having stated this, I will now let you choose.

 

1. The Natural Hygienists believe that fasting is the

best way to detox the body. According to this school,

you need to cleanse the body first and then rebuild

it. The cleaner you are, the healthier you are. While

healing and rebuilding of the body are part of the the

hygienist approach, these are secondary to cleansing.

hence, this school encourages fasting as a resolution

to health problems.

 

2. The other school of thought (Ehretists) believe

that fasting is only a 'litmus test' of current

cleanliness. This school of thought believes that the

goal is the healing and rebuilding of the body...the

body cleanses as it gets stronger.

 

On the surface, it would seem that this difference is

a small one but, in reality, it is a major one. So

much so that TCFry (when he was head of the natural

hygienists movement) spent his entire phone

conversation with me denouncing Arnold Ehret! All I

had done was ask how his program compared/contrasted

with that of the Ehretists!

 

So what is this difference?

 

Since most raw fooders are more familiar with the

natural hygienist school of thought, I will explain

the Ehretist approach to optimal health (which is also

a raw diet...but with its emphasis on fruitarianism

rather than veggies and salads).

 

At the turn of the 20th century, Ehret had a clinic in

Europe. He followed the hygienist approach to fasting

until several patients died! They had removed toxins

too rapidly and then suffocated on their own poisonous

wastes. After that, he changed his approach. He

focused on VERY GRADUALLY transitioning the diet to

one that could finally completely cleanse the body...a

fruitarian diet. How did he know when a patient was

ready for a transition? He would have the patient go

on a short fast. If the fast could be done

comfortably...no side effects except mild hunger the

first two days...., the person was ready for the next

transition. Each transition was designed to release

more stored toxins as each one increased the amount of

fruit and uncooked veggies.

 

It goes something like this....

 

1. Start with cooked food. Reduce the amount of acid

food from the diet and increase the amount of alkaline

foods with an emphasis on veggies (cooked and raw).

When you no longer desire the acid food and enjoy the

alkaline food, fast for a day. No problems? Fast for

72 hours. No problems? Make the next transition.

Remove all acid animal flesh from the diet and

increase veggies and fruits with an emphasis still on

veggies. While increasing raw is important, the

transition to veggies does not have to be 100% raw.

The emphasis stays on veggies until you ENJOY this

diet. Then, again fast for a number of days to

determine how many toxins are 'floating loose' in your

body. Note: I did not say to remove stored toxins

from your body! the goal of the fast is not to remove

stored toxins but to remove the toxins that have been

'released from storage'.

 

As your diet transitions from a poor one to a

healthier one, your body will begin eliminating stored

toxins ON ITS OWN at its own pace. The fasting speeds

up the elimination of these 'released toxins'. In

Ehret's approach, the body's pace will be the safest

pace. Eventually, when your body is ready, you will

naturally transition to the particular fruitarian diet

needed by your body...that is, your body will know

which fruits meet it daily nutritional/cleansing

needs. You will begin to crave these fruits.

 

Naturally, this process takes years...not days, weeks,

or months. However, the goal is permanence. Not

necessarily permanence as a fruitarian but permanent

optimal health! Paul Bragg, Joanna Brandt (Grape Cure

for Cancer), and Jack LaLanne are among those who

followed Ehret's approach. It is also the approach I

follow.

 

mary

 

 

 

 

--- Barbara J <pearls25 wrote:

> Hi Everyone, Here is my thinking/line of

> questioning. Your answers will be

> appreciated, whether short or long, and I look

> forward to them:

>

> I feel that I know that I have been unable to lose

> the 20 extra pounds I

> have on me simply because my body is using the fat

> as a place to store the

> toxins. I have fluid in my ears leftover from ear

> infections as a child (I

> was treated with antibiotics many times). I have

> problems with my vaginal

> pH, period cramps, and bloating. (I know this is

> considered normal to many

> people but I think, as a list, we agree menstral

> problems are not normal.)

> I also have mild problems with depression or moods

> and my energy

> levels/sleeping patterns. I feel that being detoxed

> will help me.

>

> OK having said all that, my problem is twofold:

> One, I am not sure my daily

> life can sustain a long term fast. Two, I am

> worried about getting really,

> really sick.

>

> My daily life includes the care of a toddler,

> homeschooling two other

> children, and running a home where a total of 4

> children and two adults

> live. We run a business from our home, and my

> husband is away every weekend

> from Friday night until Sunday morning. I have a

> lot of responsibilities,

> many which require being on my feet and moving

> around a lot. I can

> organize, plan and prepare for a fast, but I cannot

> give up my post as

> female head of household even for a day. Can I

> cleanse and keep up? What

> do you suggest?

>

> And about getting sick. Must I, beyond flulike

> symptoms? What do you

> recommend? Is a fruit cleanse slower paced than,

> say, Master Cleanse? I

> really don't want my lymphatic system to freak out

> and dump so much stuff

> that my body can't cleanse fast enough.

>

> Thank you so much, I look forward to your help and

> appreciate you all so

> much! -Barbara

>

> Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with

> me.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

=====

 

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'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Mary, The key element missing to the fasting approach and death due to rapid

detox is in the process of elimination. Enemas, colonic, or Homozon. By

releasing the toxins dumped in the blood stream via fasting people no longer die

during the fast. It is how they break the fast that is more likely to kill them.

 

 

Bernadette

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bernadette,

 

In this, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

IMHO, fasting on fruit juices or water for prolonged

periods of time does cause stored toxins to be

released into the circulatory and lymphatic systems.

If the eliminative channels are not able to handle

this waste, autointoxication can (and has)occurred. In

some instances, it has caused death. Granted, enemas

and colonics can eliminate some of this problem IF the

person is willing to do as many enemas as needed (even

if this means two or three a day) in order to continue

on a prolonged fast. The risks can also be minimized

if the person has access to regular colonics during

the fast. Many people are not aware of the need for

this assistance. Others, who are, do not realize that

any discomfort (other than hunger) is an indication of

difficulty in eliminating this waste.

 

I am not opposed to fasting. I simply believe that

there has been an overemphasis upon human intervention

(via fasting) pertaining to the cleansing of the body

when gradual dietary changes will stimulate the body

to accomplish much of this cleansing on its own. Of

course, in terminal illnesses, time is of the essence

and fasting, under qualified supervision, may be

needed. However, although I assisted a man who was

dying of terminal brain cancer, I did not fast him

even for an hour. Why? His irises indicated that he

had very little nerve energy. After 3 months of

dietary guidance, the nerve energy in his body had

improved far more than I would have dreamed possible.

This was the man that chose to die rather than

continue with the dietary changes (to an all raw

diet). If he had continued, I would have begun short

supervised water fasts.

 

If someone is knowledgable about what is happening and

wants to go this extra mile(enemas/colonics) in order

to have a long fast rather than wait for the body to

do much of the cleansing on its own, I certainly would

not stand in their way. However, I have seen too many

problems from people trying to rush getting cleansed

but have forgotten about the need to heal and rebuild.

 

 

Obtaining optimal health is a three-pronged

approach... cleansing waste from tissues/cells/organs,

healing the tissues/cells/organs that have been

cleansed, and rebuilding these same

tissues/cells/organs through nutritional. All are

important. So many books in the past have emphasized

the cleansing (via fasting with or without enemas)

while neglecting the healing (herbs) and rebuilding.

In fact, some schools of thought actually oppose the

use of enemas while fasting. They teach " go to bed and

wait it out " . This is where Shelton and Ehret

disagreed.

 

mary

 

 

--- abrs <abrs wrote:

> Mary, The key element missing to the fasting

> approach and death due to rapid detox is in the

> process of elimination. Enemas, colonic, or Homozon.

> By releasing the toxins dumped in the blood stream

> via fasting people no longer die during the fast. It

> is how they break the fast that is more likely to

> kill them.

>

>

> Bernadette

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

=====

 

Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade

 

A smile is a silent 'hello'.

 

owner of

 

'The Fully Trained Working Dog'

 

'Avian Health: Holistic Approach'

 

'Yoga for Therapy'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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