Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Lou, I can purchase cold smoked sockeye Alaskan Salmon in 4 oz pkg from my local grocery store. I want Alaskan salmon because farming salmon is illegal in Alaska...I am getting the real thing. I want cold-smoked because I want the full benefit of omega 3s. I also like the idea of eating a raw form of protein rather than a cooked one (as cooking alters the proteins). Also,farm raised salmon does not have the same level of omega 3s. It is not that I don't eat other forms of protein. However, the cold smoked salmon is a staple in my diet and will be the last animal food to leave my diet when I begin my final fruitarian cleanse...if I live that long. LOLs I have had to v-e-r-y carefully begin my transition back to a total cleanse. Formaldehyde is a carcinogen. In only 3 months, the low exposure all but destroyed the elasticity of my lung tissue and the inflammation damaged many air sacs. I can tell from my iris evalutaion that it also damaged epithelial cells as well as my kidneys. I do not know what I am facing long term. This is why I am pursuing an eventual grape cleanse again. It is my only hope of avoiding multiple cancers. When I was on such a cleanse 8 years ago, after 5 months, I craved protein. Nuts would not do the job. Cold smoked salmon might. My only concern would be the salt used in the process. However, a small amount might not cause significant harm. A raw fish would definitely be easier on my body than a cooked meat. mary mary --- lousviews wrote: > Mary wrote: " I get most of my protein from cold > smoked Alaskan Salmon. " > > Mary, I am particularly interested in knowing why > you have chosen smoked > salmon for your protein. Do you buy it through Dr. > Mercola's site? > Thanks for your answer. Lou > > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 raw or cooked, cold or wrm, salmons are dead individuals... there is no reason to eat people, no reason to eat corpses! nAthAlIE ~~ " The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men. " Alice Walker -----Message d'origine----- De : mary [marymassung] Lou, I can purchase cold smoked sockeye Alaskan Salmon in 4 oz pkg from my local grocery store. I want Alaskan salmon because farming salmon is illegal in Alaska...I am getting the real thing. I want cold-smoked because I want the full benefit of omega 3s. I also like the idea of eating a raw form of protein rather than a cooked one (as cooking alters the proteins). Also,farm raised salmon does not have the same level of omega 3s. It is not that I don't eat other forms of protein. However, the cold smoked salmon is a staple in my diet and will be the last animal food to leave my diet when I begin my final fruitarian cleanse...if I live that long. LOLs I have had to v-e-r-y carefully begin my transition back to a total cleanse. Formaldehyde is a carcinogen. In only 3 months, the low exposure all but destroyed the elasticity of my lung tissue and the inflammation damaged many air sacs. I can tell from my iris evalutaion that it also damaged epithelial cells as well as my kidneys. I do not know what I am facing long term. This is why I am pursuing an eventual grape cleanse again. It is my only hope of avoiding multiple cancers. When I was on such a cleanse 8 years ago, after 5 months, I craved protein. Nuts would not do the job. Cold smoked salmon might. My only concern would be the salt used in the process. However, a small amount might not cause significant harm. A raw fish would definitely be easier on my body than a cooked meat. mary mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Nathalli, You go your way to health and I will go mine. Good luck mary --- wIld tOmAtO <strange_fruit wrote: > raw or cooked, cold or wrm, salmons are dead > individuals... there is no > reason to eat people, no reason to eat corpses! > nAthAlIE > > ~~ > > " The animals of the world exist for their own > reasons. They were not made > for humans any more than black people were made for > white, or women created > for men. " Alice Walker > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : mary [marymassung] > > > > Lou, > > I can purchase cold smoked sockeye Alaskan Salmon > in 4 > oz pkg from my local grocery store. I want > Alaskan > salmon because farming salmon is illegal in > Alaska...I > am getting the real thing. I want cold-smoked > because > I want the full benefit of omega 3s. I also like > the > idea of eating a raw form of protein rather than a > cooked one (as cooking alters the proteins). > Also,farm > raised salmon does not have the same level of > omega > 3s. > > It is not that I don't eat other forms of protein. > However, the cold smoked salmon is a staple in my > diet > and will be the last animal food to leave my diet > when > I begin my final fruitarian cleanse...if I live > that > long. LOLs > > I have had to v-e-r-y carefully begin my > transition > back to a total cleanse. Formaldehyde is a > carcinogen. In only 3 months, the low exposure all > but > destroyed the elasticity of my lung tissue and the > inflammation damaged many air sacs. I can tell > from > my iris evalutaion that it also damaged epithelial > cells as well as my kidneys. I do not know what I > am > facing long term. This is why I am pursuing an > eventual grape cleanse again. It is my only hope > of > avoiding multiple cancers. When I was on such a > cleanse 8 years ago, after 5 months, I craved > protein. > Nuts would not do the job. Cold smoked salmon > might. > My only concern would be the salt used in the > process. However, a small amount might not cause > significant harm. A raw fish would definitely be > easier on my body than a cooked meat. > > mary > > mary > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 i'm going the way of animals' health! i don't give any credit to human health if it involves killing other people! my health is great not eating corpses though, thanks for asking. Stop being selfish, then maybe you'll reach some good points in your life. Good luck -----Message d'origine----- De : mary [marymassung] Nathalli, You go your way to health and I will go mine. Good luck mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 N, I am sorry you have chosen to be so hostile. Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. You cannot keep it alive after you pick it. As soon as you pull a bunch of lettuce or cut a stalk of celery, it dies. In order to survive, we must kill something! Every time you take a bite, something has died to allow you that nourishment. What makes an animal more precious that an apple, or a tomato, or a piece of celery? Since all humans and all animals must kill other life forms to live, all animals and all humans are murderers and have bad 'karma' if viewed from the perspective you appear to be promoting. You imply that animals are more important than plants. This is illogical since animals kill other animals as well as plants in order to live! I believe all life is precious. All life...animal life, plant life, and...even human life. The only life forms that do not kill other forms to live are plants. Therefore, if there were a superior life form (from the perspective of killing to eat) it would be plants. I do not believe animal life is more important than human life any more than I believe plant life if more important than animal life or human life. We all need to sustain life. Whatever your personal beliefs might be, you have not yet learned kindness or you would not have written that post. If we are looking to cast stones, then be certain you are perfect in every way...otherwise, you might live to regret something you have said to another. I am not perfect. I do not believe anyone on this earth is. I am sorry you have been offended by my stating I eat fish. mary --- wIld tOmAtO <strange_fruit wrote: > i'm going the way of animals' health! i don't give > any credit to human > health if it involves killing other people! my > health is great not eating > corpses though, thanks for asking. Stop being > selfish, then maybe you'll > reach some good points in your life. Good luck > -----Message d'origine----- > De : mary [marymassung] > > > > Nathalli, > > You go your way to health and I will go mine. > Good > luck > > mary > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 It's interesting how someone can choose to ge slowly about this process. Plants with seeds is, I guess, the definition of fruitarian. > > It is not that I don't eat other forms of protein. > However, the cold smoked salmon is a staple in my diet > and will be the last animal food to leave my diet when > I begin my final fruitarian cleanse...if I live that > long. LOLs > Oops, I forgot the serious health reasons behind how some people are able to choose to go raw slowly. > I have had to v-e-r-y carefully begin my transition > back to a total cleanse. Formaldehyde is a > carcinogen. In only 3 months, the low exposure all but > destroyed the elasticity of my lung tissue and the > inflammation damaged many air sacs. I can tell from > my iris evalutaion that it also damaged epithelial > cells as well as my kidneys. I do not know what I am > facing long term. This is why I am pursuing an > eventual grape cleanse again. It is my only hope of > avoiding multiple cancers. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I wouldn't call a salmon an individual, I don't believe they have lasting qualities after this life. But I am of the opinion that the human animal is meant to be raw plant food eater. I like your quote except that there is a certain interdependence among species that should be acknowledged. And certainly a purpose of women is to help men. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters rawfood , " wIld tOmAtO " <strange_fruit@r...> wrote: > raw or cooked, cold or wrm, salmons are dead individuals... there is no > reason to eat people, no reason to eat corpses! > nAthAlIE > > ~~ > > " The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made > for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created > for men. " Alice Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Plant food doesn't die in the same way that an animal does. For one thing, no animal offers himself to you to be killed, he tries to get away. Way to get after her though Mary, I like that. Especially that " be you perfect " part. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters rawfood , mary <marymassung> wrote: > N, > > I am sorry you have chosen to be so hostile. > > Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of > fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. You cannot > keep it alive after you pick it. As soon as you pull > a bunch of lettuce or cut a stalk of celery, it dies. > In order to survive, we must kill something! Every > time you take a bite, something has died to allow you > that nourishment. What makes an animal more precious > that an apple, or a tomato, or a piece of celery? > Since all humans and all animals must kill other life > forms to live, all animals and all humans are > murderers and have bad 'karma' if viewed from the > perspective you appear to be promoting. > > You imply that animals are more important than plants. > This is illogical since animals kill other animals as > well as plants in order to live! > > I believe all life is precious. All life...animal > life, plant life, and...even human life. The only life > forms that do not kill other forms to live are plants. > Therefore, if there were a superior life form (from > the perspective of killing to eat) it would be plants. > I do not believe animal life is more important than > human life any more than I believe plant life if more > important than animal life or human life. We all need > to sustain life. > > Whatever your personal beliefs might be, you have not > yet learned kindness or you would not have written > that post. If we are looking to cast stones, then be > certain you are perfect in every way...otherwise, you > might live to regret something you have said to > another. I am not perfect. I do not believe anyone > on this earth is. I am sorry you have been offended by > my stating I eat fish. > > mary > > > --- wIld tOmAtO <strange_fruit@r...> wrote: > > i'm going the way of animals' health! i don't give > > any credit to human > > health if it involves killing other people! my > > health is great not eating > > corpses though, thanks for asking. Stop being > > selfish, then maybe you'll > > reach some good points in your life. Good luck > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : mary [marymassung] > > > > > > > > Nathalli, > > > > You go your way to health and I will go mine. > > Good > > luck > > > > mary > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ===== > > Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade > > A smile is a silent 'hello'. > > owner of > > 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' > > 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' > > 'Yoga for Therapy'. > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Very well put Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Rich, One of the most intesting facts about Alaskan Salmon, IMO, is that they are caught as they begin their spawning death journey. These salmon will die...whether or not anyone benefits from their death. Many of the primitive groups visited by Weston Price included spawning salmon in their diets (that promoted longevity without degeneration). mary --- Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote: > I wouldn't call a salmon an individual, I don't > believe they have > lasting qualities after this life. But I am of the > opinion that the > human animal is meant to be raw plant food eater. > > I like your quote except that there is a certain > interdependence > among species that should be acknowledged. And > certainly a purpose > of women is to help men. > > Rich > > New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters > > rawfood , " wIld tOmAtO " > <strange_fruit@r...> > wrote: > > raw or cooked, cold or wrm, salmons are dead > individuals... there > is no > > reason to eat people, no reason to eat corpses! > > nAthAlIE > > > > ~~ > > > > " The animals of the world exist for their own > reasons. They were > not made > > for humans any more than black people were made > for white, or women > created > > for men. " Alice Walker > > > ===== Mary, Luvie, Ranger, & the flying brigade A smile is a silent 'hello'. owner of 'The Fully Trained Working Dog' 'Avian Health: Holistic Approach' 'Yoga for Therapy'. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I am very curious about eating raw fish, not sushi, after reading John Huston's (the director) father's book, a photographer who raised his sons in Alaska until their teens. Cold raw fish was a staple. It appeals to me for some reason, though I haven't tried it. What is the brand name you buy? Perhaps I can find it.-- anne rawfood , mary <marymassung> wrote: > Lou, > > I can purchase cold smoked sockeye Alaskan Salmon ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 And they certainly need a lot of help. -anne rawfood , " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim> wrote: And certainly a purpose > of women is to help men. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 your logic is incredible! you're promoting compassion toward everyone, making of me the mean one, but not putting your words into practice... what's the meaning? i've come to the point of only eating fruit for az while because i consider humans, non humans & plants as important . So please, do not tell me how to consider individuals. i am not hostil, it is just that it really hurts to read some people explaining how they eat someone whois not down this earth for the use of humans! Indeed, we are humans, so we have the capacity to have ethical reasons not to kill & eat other beings. We know how to mix this or that food so we won't be ill, or weak or what ever. You " argument " concerning animals who eat others.. is not the best... this is just the usual omnivorous speech to excuse him/herself . Ask a lion his ethical reasons & understanding of do not eating other beinsgs? i'm living with other non human individuals who do not eat corpses either. They are cats & dogs, & as created & used by humans, they can be helped being vegans. That does not mean i agree with domestication, of course this is really bad, but until we reach a world where no domination is perpetrated... some people have to take care of them, but certainly not by killing others to feed them. i'm just trying to explain you that humans have ethic, that there is no ethical reason to eat other people, so why are there 45 billion individuals killed for food every year (this does not include fish who are numbered in tons!) 900 million for vivisection & 90 million for fur.... Please, instead of giving " ideas " of compassion, but them first into practice, if not, no one would agree with you, no one could trust you mary. i don't say you're perfect or that i am perfect, fot none of us is, that's for sure, but my regrets would have been if i just had erazed your post not talking about the horror of eating other beings. i did not really felt offended, but sad, for i often have the naive thought that raw people are more toward veganism then toward the consumption of corpses. nAthAlIE -- " Abolitionists believe it is disempowering to think in terms of incremental welfare reform. Not only is reform unrealistic; it also does not make for an inspiring platform. Indeed, realism dictates that activists go for what we really want. " --Lee Hall -----Message d'origine----- De : mary [marymassung] N, I am sorry you have chosen to be so hostile. Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. You cannot keep it alive after you pick it. As soon as you pull a bunch of lettuce or cut a stalk of celery, it dies. In order to survive, we must kill something! Every time you take a bite, something has died to allow you that nourishment. What makes an animal more precious that an apple, or a tomato, or a piece of celery? Since all humans and all animals must kill other life forms to live, all animals and all humans are murderers and have bad 'karma' if viewed from the perspective you appear to be promoting. You imply that animals are more important than plants. This is illogical since animals kill other animals as well as plants in order to live! I believe all life is precious. All life...animal life, plant life, and...even human life. The only life forms that do not kill other forms to live are plants. Therefore, if there were a superior life form (from the perspective of killing to eat) it would be plants. I do not believe animal life is more important than human life any more than I believe plant life if more important than animal life or human life. We all need to sustain life. Whatever your personal beliefs might be, you have not yet learned kindness or you would not have written that post. If we are looking to cast stones, then be certain you are perfect in every way...otherwise, you might live to regret something you have said to another. I am not perfect. I do not believe anyone on this earth is. I am sorry you have been offended by my stating I eat fish. mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 a purpose of women is to help men-?? Is purpose of a men to help women also?? Just wondering. --- Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote: >> > > among species that should be acknowledged. And > certainly a purpose > of women is to help men. > > Rich > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Just throwing in my two cents. I am not going to put in any personal opinion. I am offering only the truth. " Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. " If that's true, then bananas would not ripen while they sit on your counter. Also, potatos would not sprout, and nuts could not grow into trees... Fruit can actually last a very long time after it's been removed from it's tree. The reason for this is that the fruit has to be alive to carry the seeds into the future. Most animals will choose ripe, healthy fruit over dessicated, rotting fruit. Fruit that is eaten by animals has a great chance of spreading the seeds over a larger area. Also, a living, healthy fruit is better able to provide nourishment to the sprouts, should no animal in fact eat the fruit. Fruit can actually last for up to a month, even longer if refrigerated. " You cannot keep it alive after you pick it. " Yes you can. " In order to survive, we must kill something! Every time you take a bite, something has died to allow you that nourishment. " Every time a plant grows, you can be sure it's deriving it's nutrients from something that has died. Every time the plant grows, something has died to allow it nourishment. Plants do not exist on raw water and sunlight alone. " I believe all life is precious. All life...animal life, plant life, and...even human life. The only life forms that do not kill other forms to live are plants. " On the contrary, without the nutrients placed into the soil by decomposing plants and animals, plant life would not last very long. Therefore, even plants need death in order to live, even if they do not directly kill. On a side note, you probably have never heard of the venus flytrap, or chinese picture plant, or the dozens of other species of plants that actually eat insects and small amphibians (I'm assuming you don't, since you fail to mention them and your post assumes that plants are perfect and grow out of thin air). There is even a type of algea that grows in the gills of fish, killing them. After the fish has died, the algea completely decomposes the fish. I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like that plant just killed and ate that fish. And what about poisonous plants? An animal eats the plant, and then the animal dies. Please, plants are not perfect, innocent creatures. " These salmon will die...whether or not anyone benefits from their death. " All life dies. According to your logic, it's okay that I kill and eat my mother, because she will die eventually, whether or not anyone benefits from her death. Just because something will happen eventually, that's no justification to hasten the ineveitable. What would happen if everyone went to Alaska and ate all the fish before they could die naturally? There'd be no NUTRIENTS FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF FISH. Yes, that's right. Those dead corpses are fed on by the freshly spawned salmon, giving them the energy and vitality needed to make the journey out of their spawning beds. So not only are you poisoning yourself with whatever toxins have built up in the muscle tissue of the fish, but you're also diminishing a vital life cycle here. Look, when you eat a fruit, you are promoting life. Fruit trees would not go extinct if every single fruit was suddenly eaten right this second. The seeds would still exist to propogate the species. You are spreading the seeds accross mother earth, so that more fruit trees can grow. When you eat those salmon, however, you are robbing future generations of life. How many countless dozens of freshly spawned salmon are being robbed of life and stolen away from the cycle of life when you eat just one package? One package contains more than one fish, and one fish is enough to feed many spawnlings. And how many people are buying these packages? When you eat meat like that, you are just robbing from the earth, not giving back to the earth. And why would you go against your natural engineering anyway? You can get all the protein you need from plants, plus, the plants would clean your system out of toxins. -Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Thank you for your input, Justin. You've made some very good points. - " traum_sucher " <traum_sucher <rawfood > Saturday, May 08, 2004 10:29 AM [Raw Food] Re: cold smoked salmon > Just throwing in my two cents. I am not going to put in any personal > opinion. I am offering only the truth. > > " Keep in mind that, as soon as you pick a piece of > fruit from a tree, the fruit has died. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Right on to that~~ Angela ms4runr2 <ms4runr2 wrote: And they certainly need a lot of help. -anne rawfood , " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim> wrote: And certainly a purpose > of women is to help men. > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 ain't that the f***ing truth, at least some of the men I ran across in my travels. hell, some of them weren't even salvageable. :-D Megan - And they certainly need a lot of help. -anne rawfood , And certainly a purpose > of women is to help men. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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