Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 The homepage of this " Raw Foods " list serve states: " Stop cooking your foods! Increasing the RAW FOOD in your diet can greatly improve your health! Food ENZYMES are important to your health. Let's share info, tips, sources, url's, recipes and personal experiences with eating more RAW FOOD. This group is here to support people wanting to learn how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote other diets. " It is my decision to live on this type of diet and I greatly appreciate the help and support from this list serve. Can we stick to raw and vegan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Although only a new member here, I agree with Kathy. The website says this group supports vegan raw. There are other groups that support raw food, regardless of kingdom and species. Thanks, Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Hello~ If it is decided that no one wants to have discussions where cooked or non-vegan issues come up, then is there another list that anyone knows of where many of these discussions could continue? Even though I am a vegetarian (I am 36 and have been one since I was 18) and am not interested in eating salmon I am learning a great deal from " listening in " to Mary's conversations with other people. I feel strongly in " take what I need and leave the rest " . I also feel strongly that I have my convictions that are solid and unswayable...its okay for me to hear stuff that I dont fully agree with. One more thing!!! I cant stop..help! Okay, another thing is that I am not 100% raw remember I do raw for 6 and off for 1 day, but I strive for 100% all the time. So... should I not discuss my journey because I am not " all the way there " yet? It just seems not as embracing as it could be to me. love and happy Mothers Day to those that it applies to! Angela Although only a new member here, I agree with Kathy. The website says this group supports vegan raw. There are other groups that support raw food, regardless of kingdom and species. Thanks, Rose Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 - Angela LaMonte rawfood Sunday, May 09, 2004 1:42 PM I cant stop..help! Okay, another thing is that I am not 100% raw remember I do raw for 6 and off for 1 day, but I strive for 100% all the time. So... should I not discuss my journey because I am not " all the way there " yet? It just seems not as embracing as it could be to me. love and happy Mothers Day to those that it applies to! Angela>> I dont think it's a matter of 'embracing' it's a matter of what the initial statement on the home page for this group states RAW VEGAN, it doesn't matter if it's 1% or 100% but VEGAN and yes I could and have taken alot of posts and just deleted them but that is something I should NOT have to do since this group was supposed to be RAW VEGAN and I have strong convictions about issues that pertain to that-- and then again I could just say " what's so hard about following the rules and the original reason for this group " if people want to discuss raw animals then go to a raw animal group but why should we vegans have to partake of the discussions here where they're not supposed to be? tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 There seemed to be an awful lot of posts dedicated to eating raw fish. That tells me that the list is open to eating raw anything. And I restate that there are other lists that are open to support the omnivorous raw diet. This list supposedly is in support of the vegan raw diet. I would also think - and maybe I'm wrong about this - but the emphasis seemed to be on " vegan " raw. To conclude that if someone isn't " all the way there yet " should not be on the list is to misunderstand my comment. Also, there's a matter of economy. I belong to other lists and although I know it's easy to hit the delete key, why should I have to. Another thing. If someone is going through all those machinations just to eat raw fish, it wouldn't seem that they intend to ever be vegan anyway. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 rawfood , " Rose Lieberman " <pyrite@c...> wrote: > There seemed to be an awful lot of posts dedicated to eating raw fish. That > tells me that the list is open to eating raw anything. An incorrect assumption. > Also, there's a matter of economy. I belong to other lists and although I > know it's easy to hit the delete key, why should I have to. OH lighten up. NO list is ever 100% on topic, anyway. > > Another thing. If someone is going through all those machinations just to > eat raw fish, it wouldn't seem that they intend to ever be vegan anyway. > Oops. Another assumtion. YOu know what they say about assuming... So what's really bugging you. What's your real beef?? (heh, two puns)- anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 I does support it, but it doesn't say that it should throw stones at those that don't follow it as you do. Rose Lieberman [pyrite] Sun 5/9/2004 12:30 PM rawfood Cc: Re: [Raw Food] comment Although only a new member here, I agree with Kathy. The website says this group supports vegan raw. There are other groups that support raw food, regardless of kingdom and species. Thanks, Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 When I read your posts, I'm inclinded to hit the delet button. Yet, why should I have to? Rose Lieberman [pyrite] Sun 5/9/2004 2:08 PM rawfood Cc: Re: [Raw Food] comment There seemed to be an awful lot of posts dedicated to eating raw fish. That tells me that the list is open to eating raw anything. And I restate that there are other lists that are open to support the omnivorous raw diet. This list supposedly is in support of the vegan raw diet. I would also think - and maybe I'm wrong about this - but the emphasis seemed to be on " vegan " raw. To conclude that if someone isn't " all the way there yet " should not be on the list is to misunderstand my comment. Also, there's a matter of economy. I belong to other lists and although I know it's easy to hit the delete key, why should I have to. Another thing. If someone is going through all those machinations just to eat raw fish, it wouldn't seem that they intend to ever be vegan anyway. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Yep there is another group http://health.live-food/ Angela LaMonte <amadera656 wrote: Hello~ If it is decided that no one wants to have discussions where cooked or non-vegan issues come up, then is there another list that anyone knows of where many of these discussions could continue? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Oh, Ariana, I apologize profusely for having come across so badly. By all means, we should talk about anything. Everything anyone says has value. And to show you what a good sport I am, I'm going to go out and, oh, I don't know, bludgeon a duck, and ask the group which is the best way to eat it. Sorry. Really. How awful of me to voice my opinion on something so narrow. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 I really don't think that you should be in this group speaking about animals the way you do. You might need to go find yourself another group. Rose Lieberman [pyrite] Tue 5/11/2004 1:02 AM rawfood Cc: Re: [Raw Food] comment Oh, Ariana, I apologize profusely for having come across so badly. By all means, we should talk about anything. Everything anyone says has value. And to show you what a good sport I am, I'm going to go out and, oh, I don't know, bludgeon a duck, and ask the group which is the best way to eat it. Sorry. Really. How awful of me to voice my opinion on something so narrow. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Well..what you say makes sense to me on one level.. it really does, but then on another level it just seems too controlling for lack of a better word. Like..there is an ebb and a flow to conversations..they wind this way and that, but it seems like if it approaches an area that is taboo for this list then things get both very heated up and stiff at the same time. I think that this woman had alot to offer, and she has lived a long time, and if her views didnt completely match the rest of the list did she really need to be " spoken to " in such an impolite way? But whatever. I am a newby here. I dont call the shots (!), I have expressed my opinion and now I am done. Angela Tara <taburner wrote: I dont think it's a matter of 'embracing' it's a matter of what the initial statement on the home page for this group states RAW VEGAN, it doesn't matter if it's 1% or 100% but VEGAN and yes I could and have taken alot of posts and just deleted them but that is something I should NOT have to do since this group was supposed to be RAW VEGAN and I have strong convictions about issues that pertain to that-- and then again I could just say " what's so hard about following the rules and the original reason for this group " if people want to discuss raw animals then go to a raw animal group but why should we vegans have to partake of the discussions here where they're not supposed to be? tara Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 - Lopez, Ariana rawfood Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:06 AM RE: [Raw Food] comment I really don't think that you should be in this group speaking about animals the way you do. You might need to go find yourself another group.>> helloooooooooooooooo their point was sarcastic showing you and a few select others how your posts about salmon sounded...a living being is just that a living being whether animal, fish, bird, etc...you justified all the talk about eating salmon and called everyone else here narrow minded and now you post saying this person needs to find another group when they were sarcastically posting about your, mary's and a few others posts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Ariana, I was doin' it for you! Now you're not happy about this? Oh, how will I ever please you? Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 - Rose Lieberman rawfood Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:31 AM Re: [Raw Food] comment Ariana, I was doin' it for you! Now you're not happy about this? Oh, how will I ever please you? Rose>> ROFL I think I " m the only one who caught that!!! lol tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Personally, I'm in the camp that if you want to eat raw animal products, go ahead. If I did I don't believe it would affect my mental balance with my diet. But the thought of raw meat or a raw animal product is just not appealing to me at all, so I don't eat them. Also, I do see a spiritual, moral factor against eating raw animal products. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters rawfood , " Rose Lieberman " <pyrite@c...> wrote: > Oh, Ariana, I apologize profusely for having come across so badly. By all > means, we should talk about anything. Everything anyone says has value. > And to show you what a good sport I am, I'm going to go out and, oh, I don't > know, bludgeon a duck, and ask the group which is the best way to eat it. > > Sorry. Really. How awful of me to voice my opinion on something so narrow. > > Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Exactly, there is an " ebb and a flow to conversations " and we may be raw food eaters but that's just one aspect of our lives. And there are many things that we would like to discuss. Confining our discussion to raw food related ways seems silly to me. And even if things get " heated up and stiff " , I find that enjoyable. Brings some energy to my raw food life, which makes it more enjoyable to stay raw. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Mary stay. I'd find it hard to be the judge of what's polite or impolite. I don't receive e-mails from the site, I just go to the site and read what I want to. Trying to dissect what should be talked about and what shouldn't be talked about is silly in my view. Strong convictions should be balanced by consideration for others, everyone. Rich New Forum: www.rawfoodeaters rawfood , Angela LaMonte <amadera656> wrote: > Well..what you say makes sense to me on one level.. it really does, but then on another level it just seems too controlling for lack of a better word. Like..there is an ebb and a flow to conversations..they wind this way and that, but it seems like if it approaches an area that is taboo for this list then things get both very heated up and stiff at the same time. I think that this woman had alot to offer, and she has lived a long time, and if her views didnt completely match the rest of the list did she really need to be " spoken to " in such an impolite way? But whatever. I am a newby here. I dont call the shots (!), I have expressed my opinion and now I am done. > Angela > > Tara <taburner@b...> wrote: > > > I dont think it's a matter of 'embracing' it's a matter of what the initial statement on the home page for this group states RAW VEGAN, it doesn't matter if it's 1% or 100% but VEGAN and yes I could and have taken alot of posts and just deleted them but that is something I should NOT have to do since this group was supposed to be RAW VEGAN and I have strong convictions about issues that pertain to that-- and then again I could just say " what's so hard about following the rules and the original reason for this group " if people want to discuss raw animals then go to a raw animal group but why should we vegans have to partake of the discussions here where they're not supposed to be? > > tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 This discussion reminds me of the story on today's cover of the Baltimore Sun. The governor of Maryland calls multiculturalism 'bunk' and 'crap.' I tend to want to hang out with people who think and talk exactly like me, too, but I often get a lot out of speaking to people who aren't. I don't support the governor by the way--tolerance doesn't mean agreement. The whole issue covered by the Sun started when the Comptroller was served (something not raw or vegan!) at McDonalds, by someone who didn't speak English well. The Mcdonalds serving bag had every language but English on it, which the comptroller found especially insulting... Anyhow, I do see a parallel in the multiculturalism argunent that graces our front pages. I would love to see Rose stay here; she has a lot to offer this community! Best Regards, Margie On Tue, 11 May 2004, Rose Lieberman wrote: > Ariana, I was doin' it for you! Now you're not happy about this? Oh, how > will I ever please you? > > Rose -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Tara, You are one hostile woman. Did it ever occur to you that while you are loving all the animals, you are hurting your fellow humans? I keep hearing that vegan and raw turned one more toward a loving and accepting nature to others and not toward that of judgemental and immature. Please try to find it in you to let this go so we can get back to what this group is really about - raw foods! Lee > > helloooooooooooooooo their point was sarcastic showing you and a few select others how your posts about salmon sounded...a living being is just that a living being whether animal, fish, bird, etc...you justified all the talk about eating salmon and called everyone else here narrow minded and now you post saying this person needs to find another group when they were sarcastically posting about your, mary's and a few others posts!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 intelligence, I was being sarcastic as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 And the other problem is once you censure someone it is going to put a damper on a significant amount of other people. I've seen this before, I feel it now. Further, only about 10% of any group partipates anyway. People who have a problem with content should address the moderator. THe moderator should then email privately to the " offender " . Censuring hurts us all.-- anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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