Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been basically 100% raw for the last 6-weeks and have been experiencing quite intense stomach/intestinal pains. The pain usually comes within a few minutes of eating or drinking and lasts for 1 or 2 hours. I'm not sure what to do. If anyone has experienced this or has some information on what could be done to reduce the pain or avoid it altogether it would be appreciated. On the good side of things, I have lost 24 pounds in the 6-weeks and feel great all around, it is just this one problem that is bugging me. Thanks in advance, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hi You said experiencing quite intense stomach/intestinal pains I am wondering if you are having digestive problems and your stomache is having trouble with the all raw veggies. You might need to go a little slower...maybe steam some and look into digestive problems. Although this being a raw food forum maybe I shpouldn't say that to loud. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Hi Thomas, Are you taking a " barley Green " type of product? That may help. Drinking it before each major meal may provide some help to you. Also, are you combining foods at each meal? Tonya Thomas Malone <induram wrote: Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been basically 100% raw for the last 6-weeks and have been experiencing quite intense stomach/intestinal pains. The pain usually comes within a few minutes of eating or drinking and lasts for 1 or 2 hours. I'm not sure what to do. If anyone has experienced this or has some information on what could be done to reduce the pain or avoid it altogether it would be appreciated. On the good side of things, I have lost 24 pounds in the 6-weeks and feel great all around, it is just this one problem that is bugging me. Thanks in advance, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2004 Report Share Posted May 12, 2004 THere are several problems you could have. I'll just add that fat in the diet stimulates the release of bile so you may want to consider eating a tablespoon of coconut oil before the meal to stimulate digestion.-anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 >Hello, >I'm new to the group. >I have been basically 100% raw for the last 6-weeks and have been >experiencing quite intense stomach/intestinal pains. The pain usually >comes within a few minutes of eating or drinking and lasts for 1 or >2 hours. I'm not sure what to do. If anyone has experienced this or >has some information on what could be done to reduce the pain or >avoid it altogether it would be appreciated. >On the good side of things, I have lost 24 pounds in the 6-weeks and >feel great all around, it is just this one problem that is bugging >me. >Thanks in advance, >Thomas > > >Thomas, When I first went raw, everytime I would eat a salad, I experienced the same thing, intense stomach pains that lasted for a few hours. I don't know what it was but I didn't do anyhting about it and after a short while it went away. I thought maybe it was just dotox. sorry I don't have any advice on what to do about it, I think just stay raw. Angie _______________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Hi Thomas, I would like to ask a few questions first. Do you eat a lot more than before you became RAW? Do you drink anyting while you are eating? Do you have a lot of gas as well with Pain? If you eat a lot, then you should cut down on your protions. If you drink during your meals, I would not do that and only sip some water after finishing your meal. After one hour you can consume any drink you want.(No alcohol) If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of bean family foods. I hope this helps. Regards. Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 rawfood , atul patel <archipat2001> wrote: > Hi Thomas, > Hello Atul, > I would like to ask a few questions first. Do you eat a lot more than before you became RAW? Do you drink anyting while you are eating? Do you have a lot of gas as well with Pain? Actually I think I eat less and I do drink either juice or mineral water when I eat. There could be a build up of gas but that doesn't seem like the main problem. > > If you eat a lot, then you should cut down on your protions. > > If you drink during your meals, I would not do that and only sip some water after finishing your meal. After one hour you can consume any drink you want.(No alcohol) Thanks for the advice. I don't drink alcohol anyway so that is no problem. > > If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of bean family foods. Again, thanks. The past few days have been the best in the past few weeks. In fact, the last two days have been almost pain free! I may have passed through the worst. I have been 95% raw for 7-weeks now and other than the stomach pains I feel wonderful! I cycle 200 to 250 Kilometers a week along with a lot of time in the pool and I have noticed I have more power and my heart rates are 5-6% lower than before with the same power output. Thanks to everyone for your advice. Thomas > > I hope this helps. > > Regards. > Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I would suggest that you eat some mono-meals, i.e., eat only one food at a meal, for a while, and see if you experience pain. This would isolate which foods, if any, you are eating that your body does not want, at least at this time. Our bodies let us know what they want to eat, so we need to really listen. Don't eat something because someone tells you it's a good idea to eat it, listen to your body. Go to the produce section of a store, or go to a farmer's market, and find what appeals to you, what you would really like to eat, and eat only that. Your body may, and probably will, choose different foods at different times, and will let you know how much of a food it wants, and when. This is the inherent, unerrant, intelligence of the body, and needs to be heeded. The voice of the body's wisdom, however, needs to be recognized as distinct from the conditioned cravings we experience to unhealthy foods. We also need to observe certain natural rules. For example, if we lived in Nature, we would probably eat one, two, or maximum three meals per day, simple meals, with several hours in between for digestion and rest, and no snacking. We need to make sure we eat on an empty stomach, otherwise we create traffic jams in our stomachs, and those are sure to cause us discomfort. We would probably only eat between late morning and dusk. Foods which are not simple, and not in their natural state, can take very long periods to digest and will cause us distress. Even something as seemingly innocuous as dried fruit, because it's devoid of water, the body has to work so hard to digest it, and it can take up to 10 hours to digest! So soak your dried fruits in water, in the refrigerator so they won't ferment, to re-hydrate them and make them easy for the body to digest. Or best of all, stick to fresh fruits, with all their natural water intact. Also, please familiarize yourself with the rules of food combining. In Nature, we would not be combining foods, so it would not be an issue, but in our complex lives, eating complex meals, we need to be aware of which foods are incompatible with other foods in digestion. Improper food combining can give us considerable problems in digestion, and can turn the most beneficial nutritious foods into poison, so the food combining info is very valuable. I will post a few brief articles on food combining by Dr. Shelton in a separate post. Finally, I view your digestive discomfort on the raw vegan diet as actually a sign of vitality. Most people on SAD diets are so unhealthy, so perpetually in an emergency state, the body cannot even afford to continually send warnings via pains in the body, the body accommodating as best it can the poisons continually entering. When one becomes raw vegan, the body becomes so much stronger and asserts itself with vigor, letting us know very clearly when it does not want something. Zsuzsa rawfood , " Thomas Malone " <induram@a...> wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to the group. > I have been basically 100% raw for the last 6-weeks and have been > experiencing quite intense stomach/intestinal pains. The pain usually > comes within a few minutes of eating or drinking and lasts for 1 or > 2 hours. I'm not sure what to do. If anyone has experienced this or > has some information on what could be done to reduce the pain or > avoid it altogether it would be appreciated. > On the good side of things, I have lost 24 pounds in the 6-weeks and > feel great all around, it is just this one problem that is bugging > me. > Thanks in advance, > Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, it's just a normal human function. Gas from a raw food eater doesn't smell that bad anyway. Why would anyone hold gas in? normal human function. Rich New Forum: rawfoodeaters rawfood , atul patel <archipat2001> wrote: > If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of bean family foods. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards. > Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Hi Rich, Nothing wrong with gas, but I was refering to your stomach ache. Gas does sometimes push and pressure the stomach and surrounding areas. Atul Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote: What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, it's just a normal human function. Gas from a raw food eater doesn't smell that bad anyway. Why would anyone hold gas in? normal human function. Rich New Forum: rawfoodeaters rawfood , atul patel <archipat2001> wrote: > If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of bean family foods. > > I hope this helps. > > Regards. > Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Well, I won't be inviting you to any parties.... :>) Jesse - " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim <rawfood > Monday, May 17, 2004 5:53 PM Re: [Raw Food] Stomach pains > What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, it's just a > normal human function. Gas from a raw food eater doesn't smell that > bad anyway. Why would anyone hold gas in? normal human function. > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! - studio53 Re: [Raw Food] Stomach pains Well, I won't be inviting you to any parties.... :>) Jesse > What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Still don't know why people would hold gas in out of false politeness. Normal human function that helps you be healthy and why would you not want to be healthy? Rich rawfood , " studio53 " <studio53@s...> wrote: > Well, I won't be inviting you to any parties.... :>) > > Jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I agree gas is one of many human functions, like puking. But I find gas to be very uncomfortable, more over if it comes with pain... Here is some info about gas, get your own conclusion... Deb Excess gas in the digestive tract (which is your esophagus, stomach, small intestine, and colon/large intestine) can come from 2 sources: increased intake of gas, for example, from air you swallow; or increased production of gas as certain undigested foods are broken down by harmless bacteria normally found in your colon. * Swallowed air (aerophagia): This can occur with improper swallowing while eating or even unconscious swallowing of air out of habit. * Activities that cause you to swallow air include rapid drinking, chewing gum, use of tobacco products, sucking on hard candy, drinking carbonated beverages, loose dentures, and hyperventilation in anxious people. * Most people burp or belch to expel this excess swallowed air. The remaining gas moves into your small intestine. Air can be absorbed, but some moves along to the large intestine for release through the rectum. * Analysis of the gas can help determine if it originated from aerophagia (mostly nitrogen, also oxygen and carbon dioxide) or GI production (mainly carbon monoxide, hydrogen, and methane). * Breakdown of undigested foods: Your body does not digest and absorb some carbohydrates (for example, the sugar, starches, and fiber found in many foods) in the small intestine because of a shortage or absence of certain enzymes there. So this undigested food then passes from the small intestine into the large intestine, where normal, harmless bacteria break down the food, producing hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and, in about a third of all people, methane. Eventually these gases exit through the rectum. * Foods that produce gas in one person may not cause gas in another. Some common bacteria in the large intestine can destroy the hydrogen that other bacteria produce. The balance of the 2 types of bacteria may explain why some people have more gas than others. * Most foods that contain carbohydrates can cause gas. By contrast, fats and proteins cause little gas. These common foods and their natural components may create gas: * Beans: Beans contain large amounts of the complex sugar known as raffinose. Smaller amounts are found in cabbage, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, and in other vegetables and whole grains. * Starches: Most starches (potatoes, corn, noodles, and wheat) produce gas as they are broken down in the large intestine. Rice is the only starch that does not cause gas. * Onions: The sugar known as fructose occurs naturally in onions, artichokes, pears, and wheat. It is also used as a sweetener in some soft drinks and fruit drinks. * Dark beer and red wine * Sorbitol: This sugar is found naturally in fruits including apples, pears, peaches, and prunes. It's also used as an artificial sweetener in sugar-free gum, candy, and other diet products. * Fiber: Many foods contain soluble and insoluble fiber. Soluble fiber dissolves easily in water and takes on a soft, gel-like texture in the intestines. Found in oat bran, beans, peas, and most fruits, soluble fiber is not broken down until it reaches the large intestine, where digestion causes gas. Insoluble fiber, on the other hand, passes essentially unchanged through the intestines and produces little gas. Wheat bran and some vegetables contain this kind of fiber. * Lactase deficiency: Another major source of flatulence is lactase deficiency, which results in a decreased ability to digest lactose, a natural sugar found in milk and other dairy products such as cheese and ice cream and in certain processed food such as bread, cereal, and salad dressing. This flatulence is often associated with diarrhea and cramping but can appear as only gas. Many people, particularly those of African, Native American, or Asian background, normally have low levels of the enzyme lactase needed to digest lactose after childhood. Also, as people age, their enzyme levels decrease. As a result, over time people may experience increasing amounts of gas after eating food containing lactose. * Other problems: Certain conditions can result in other foods being poorly absorbed in the GI tract, allowing for increased bacterial activity. * Malabsorption syndromes can be the result of decreased production of enzymes by the pancreas or problems with the gallbladder or lining of the intestines. * If transit through the colon is slowed down for any reason, bacteria have increased opportunity to ferment remaining material. Therefore, if you are constipated or have decreased bowel function for any reason, flatulence can follow. * Alterations in bowel habits can be a result of the following: * Poor dietary fiber * Parasites * Inflammatory bowel disease * Intestinal obstruction (including cancer) * Diverticulosis or diverticulitis * Poor thyroid function * Narcotic and other drug use etc.... -- In rawfood , " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim> wrote: > What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, it's just a > normal human function. Gas from a raw food eater doesn't smell that > bad anyway. Why would anyone hold gas in? normal human function. > > Rich > > New Forum: rawfoodeaters > > rawfood , atul patel <archipat2001> wrote: > > If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of > bean family foods. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Regards. > > Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I agree gas is one of many human functions, like puking. But I find gas to be very uncomfortable, more over if it comes with pain... Here is some info about gas, get your own conclusion... Deb Excess gas in the digestive tract (which is your esophagus, stomach, small intestine, and colon/large intestine) can come from 2 sources: increased intake of gas, for example, from air you swallow; or increased production of gas as certain undigested foods are broken down by harmless bacteria normally found in your colon. * Swallowed air (aerophagia): This can occur with improper swallowing while eating or even unconscious swallowing of air out of habit. * Activities that cause you to swallow air include rapid drinking, chewing gum, use of tobacco products, sucking on hard candy, drinking carbonated beverages, loose dentures, and hyperventilation in anxious people. * Most people burp or belch to expel this excess swallowed air. The remaining gas moves into your small intestine. Air can be absorbed, but some moves along to the large intestine for release through the rectum. * Analysis of the gas can help determine if it originated from aerophagia (mostly nitrogen, also oxygen and carbon dioxide) or GI production (mainly carbon monoxide, hydrogen, and methane). * Breakdown of undigested foods: Your body does not digest and absorb some carbohydrates (for example, the sugar, starches, and fiber found in many foods) in the small intestine because of a shortage or absence of certain enzymes there. So this undigested food then passes from the small intestine into the large intestine, where normal, harmless bacteria break down the food, producing hydrogen, carbon dioxide, and, in about a third of all people, methane. Eventually these gases exit through the rectum. * Foods that produce gas in one person may not cause gas in another. Some common bacteria in the large intestine can destroy the hydrogen that other bacteria produce. The balance of the 2 types of bacteria may explain why some people have more gas than others. * Most foods that contain carbohydrates can cause gas. By contrast, fats and proteins cause little gas. These common foods and their natural components may create gas: * Beans: Beans contain large amounts of the complex sugar known as raffinose. Smaller amounts are found in cabbage, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, and in other vegetables and whole grains. * Starches: Most starches (potatoes, corn, noodles, and wheat) produce gas as they are broken down in the large intestine. Rice is the only starch that does not cause gas. * Onions: The sugar known as fructose occurs naturally in onions, artichokes, pears, and wheat. It is also used as a sweetener in some soft drinks and fruit drinks. * Dark beer and red wine * Sorbitol: This sugar is found naturally in fruits including apples, pears, peaches, and prunes. It's also used as an artificial sweetener in sugar-free gum, candy, and other diet products. * Fiber: Many foods contain soluble and insoluble fiber. Soluble fiber dissolves easily in water and takes on a soft, gel-like texture in the intestines. Found in oat bran, beans, peas, and most fruits, soluble fiber is not broken down until it reaches the large intestine, where digestion causes gas. Insoluble fiber, on the other hand, passes essentially unchanged through the intestines and produces little gas. Wheat bran and some vegetables contain this kind of fiber. * Lactase deficiency: Another major source of flatulence is lactase deficiency, which results in a decreased ability to digest lactose, a natural sugar found in milk and other dairy products such as cheese and ice cream and in certain processed food such as bread, cereal, and salad dressing. This flatulence is often associated with diarrhea and cramping but can appear as only gas. Many people, particularly those of African, Native American, or Asian background, normally have low levels of the enzyme lactase needed to digest lactose after childhood. Also, as people age, their enzyme levels decrease. As a result, over time people may experience increasing amounts of gas after eating food containing lactose. * Other problems: Certain conditions can result in other foods being poorly absorbed in the GI tract, allowing for increased bacterial activity. * Malabsorption syndromes can be the result of decreased production of enzymes by the pancreas or problems with the gallbladder or lining of the intestines. * If transit through the colon is slowed down for any reason, bacteria have increased opportunity to ferment remaining material. Therefore, if you are constipated or have decreased bowel function for any reason, flatulence can follow. * Alterations in bowel habits can be a result of the following: * Poor dietary fiber * Parasites * Inflammatory bowel disease * Intestinal obstruction (including cancer) * Diverticulosis or diverticulitis * Poor thyroid function * Narcotic and other drug use etc.... -- In rawfood , " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim> wrote: > What's wrong with gas anyway? I gas a lot when I'm raw, it's just a > normal human function. Gas from a raw food eater doesn't smell that > bad anyway. Why would anyone hold gas in? normal human function. > > Rich > > New Forum: rawfoodeaters > > rawfood , atul patel <archipat2001> wrote: > > If you get a lot of gas, then try and decrease your intake of > bean family foods. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Regards. > > Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 There's nothing normal about puking. As for gas, mine doesn't result in stomach pain and I just let it fly whenever. Rich rawfood , debcrazy2 <no_reply> wrote: > I agree gas is one of many human functions, like puking. But I > find gas to be very uncomfortable, more over if it comes with > pain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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