Lurkers, new members, and trolls

[Guest guest]

Don't worry about others posting. As long as your questions are being

answered and you're happy with the group be content. There are over

1000 people in this group and if everyone posted you'd probably be

complaining that it was too much mail or too hard to keep up. It

would be IMPOSSIBLE to follow messages by 1000 people everyday.

Concerning the members who have been argueing on the board the last

few weeks they are all new members. This leads me to think that they

are joining this club to start trouble or a troll using different ids

to disrupt the group. My question is this, if the group monitors new

members, how are these recently joined members getting their

argumentive messages to the board and past the moderator anyway? ---

In rawfood , BilletDoux003@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/11/2004 6:17:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> alopez@i... writes:

> Welcome lurker. Why do many people lurk and not want to post? It

> helps you and it helps me to post anything.

>

> Rich

>

> Hi Rich,

>

>

> I too am guilty of lurking, not only on this site but on a fasting

site as

> well. I too have seen people pushed out of groups by group members

who's lack

> of tolerance for a particular subject got out of hand. Also, I

have seen

> people outrightly banned by moderators for not keeping " on topic " .

>

> A faster, for example, ( from a fasting group to which I belong ),

who made

> references to God and the spiritual side of her fasting journey at

nausium,

> found herself disenfranchised from the Fasting group, as it was

determined that

> the group was a place for the support of those fasting, not a place

of

> worship. So be it. Sadly this too, happened in a public forum

with many posts on

> either side of the issue .... openly ... " venting " their views.

>

> I myself, found her God oriented posts a bit off putting and opted

to delete

> them without opening. No biggy.

>

>

> Regarding this group, I am 47, a mother of three, retired now (

**thank you

> hubby ) and have an intense passion for gardening; growing

organic veggies,

> fruits, and nuts for my family, friends, and neighbors. I am

fascinated and

> empowered by the many of the exchanges of those in this group who's

education

> and wisdom regarding " raw food " is well beyond my own. In short, I

find the

> posts RIVITING!! So many new thoughts.

>

>

> Thank you to all of you.

>

>

> After reading a post, for example, postulating the bennifits of

Alkaline

> Foods v/s Acid, yesterday, I found a chart online listing what

foods are indeed

> Alkalizing or Acid ( The WOlfie Clinic ). I am not reclusive by

nature,

> ... not shy exactly ...but here, my over all knowledge

regarding " raw " is so

> pitiful .. that I have, at this juncture of my journey, so very

little to offer

> anyone by way of Posting myself.

>

>

> For the record then, ...Thats why I am a " lurker " Rich.

>

>

> Regarding the Mary issue, ... I enjoyed reading her posts. I

enjoy reading

> everyone's posts. Yet, when it came to the salmon " yada yada " I

was deeply

> saddened by the posts attacking her in a public forum. Perhaps it

might make

> more sense in the future to " complain " or othewise inform the

Moderator of

> " topic infractions " then allow the Moderator to communicate via

private Email to

> the individual who has strayed off topic, ....with suggestions

perhaps, as to

> how he/she might better " fit " their posts to contribute to the

groups needs.

>

>

> I doubt it was any one's intent to " hurt Mary's feelings " or

otherwise

> attack her personally, yet, are we not all only this; .. " human " .

Few are so thick

> skinned ( mature/ego-less ) that they would have opted to stay

under fire by

> simply adjusting their post subject matter .....after....having

been

> publically " attacked " .

>

>

> ok ok .. obviously, I dont have answers, ... only postulations,

hense the

> reasoning behind being " a lurker " ... ( most of the time )

>

>

> Peace, ...

>

> Mandy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Christy & others,

 

I do believe we have or had members who were here to disrupt the

group. I regularly reject posts that are obviously rude or attacking

but I don't doubt that some posts go through that really should not.

 

Each of the last two months saw over 700 posts. We have already had

60+ today. At this pace we will be over 1200 posts for the month of

May.

 

It's sometimes too much for me to scrutinize each and every post for

content and attitude. I do see posts that I question but I tend to

let them through because I believe they will interest or benefit some

members even if they are not totally on topic.

 

I certainly think the " raw fish " discussion got out of hand.

 

I have no problem banning any member who makes inappropriate posts or

is attacking to other members. I'm watching for that. I encourage any

member to bring a disruptive post to my attention so that I can

review it and take necessary action.

 

We have several new members joining each day. Who thought we'd have

over 1000 active members! It's great that we have this forum

available to share our experiences and thoughts with each other. We

obviously have dedicated members who have helped many people with

their questions and struggles. Let's keep on sharing, learning, and

helping.

 

Today I was reading a book by Wayne Dyer and I cam across this

passage:

 

" Be a student. Stay open and willing to learn from everyone and

anyone. Being a student means you have room for new input. When you

are green you grow, when you are ripe you rot. By staying green you

will avoid the curse of being an expert. When you know in your heart

that every single person you encounter in your lifetime has something

to teach you, you are able to utilize their offerings in a profound

way. "

 

Best regards,

Orionsdad

Group owner

[Guest guest]

Hi List,

I became vegetarian in the 70's, whilst still living in England. My

children have been vegetarian from birth. My husband and I were

called 'hippies' and I even had a visit from the health department

to check on my kids because someone in the neighbourhood was

concerned that my children were being abused, because of vegetarian

lifestyle. We didn't even broadcast our lifestyle people just picked

up on it.

 

The funny thing was that I had people from just across the road

writing me notes asking for information and recipes.

 

Fast forward to the 80's. There was a huge scare right across

Britain when it was discovered that cows had 'Mad cow' disease.

This came right after the 'Salmonella in eggs' scare, where everyone

stopped eating eggs, as there were children as old as 10 dying from

salmonella poisoning and Chernobyl, where the government deemed it

okay to eat Lambs that had a certain level of radiation

contamination.

 

The 'Mad Cow' outbreak was the last straw for most people and they

decided to become vegetarian overnight. This was extremely hard for

many as anything to do with not eating meat and two vegs was

considered 'foreign'. So they turned to the Vegetarian Society for

advice and recipes.

 

To help these people along the Vegetarian Society developed a new

sub-group, it was called Demi-veg. It allowed people to eat chicken

and fish, whilst giving up red meat.

 

This actually worked very well, within a year most people had become

completely vegetarian. The Vegetarian society's membership was the

highest ever. The newspapers reported, that over 75% of Brits. were

now vegetarian, eating no animal products at all.

 

What is also interesting is that many stopped smoking soon after and

smoking was suddenly not tolerated at all in public places.

 

The point I am trying to make is that the Vegetarian Society were

very tolerant of people eating chicken and fish, whilst quietly

guiding them to a full vegetarian diet. Many people are reported to

be still following the vegetarian lifestyle and there is an

abundance of Organic produce available there.

 

I know that for the most part this is a very helpful and sympathetic

group. Becoming a raw vegan is very hard, for some it is easy, but

for many, me included, it is hard, and especially so, I think, for

those us who live in the chilly north.

 

I look to this group for support and encouragement and I would like

to say a big thankyou to those dedicated members who do share their

knowledge and show tolerance to all.

 

Kindest Regards

Molly

 

 

 

> We have several new members joining each day. Who thought we'd have

> over 1000 active members! It's great that we have this forum

> available to share our experiences and thoughts with each other. We

> obviously have dedicated members who have helped many people with

> their questions and struggles. Let's keep on sharing, learning, and

> helping.

>

> Today I was reading a book by Wayne Dyer and I cam across this

> passage:

>

> " Be a student. Stay open and willing to learn from everyone and

> anyone. Being a student means you have room for new input. When you

> are green you grow, when you are ripe you rot. By staying green you

> will avoid the curse of being an expert. When you know in your

heart

> that every single person you encounter in your lifetime has

something

> to teach you, you are able to utilize their offerings in a profound

> way. "

>

> Best regards,

> Orionsdad

> Group owner

[Guest guest]

I think if you are going to refuse to post someone's message to the group

the least you can do is give them an explanation: I'm still waiting for

mine.

 

Jesse

 

-

" orionsdad " <no_reply >

<rawfood >

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:16 PM

[Raw Food] Re: Lurkers, new members, and trolls

 

 

> Dear Christy & others,

>

> I do believe we have or had members who were here to disrupt the

> group. I regularly reject posts that are obviously rude or attacking

> but I don't doubt that some posts go through that really should not.

[Guest guest]

Jesse,

 

Your posts have not been moderated since 7/23/2003. Your posts go straight to

the group.

 

's group log shows me that the system automatically " bounced " two of your

posts on 4/30 and 5/1. I did not reject them nor did I even see them. The system

looks at your email address and compares it with a r's list. It thought

you were not a r. I can see where it went wrong. It shouldn't have

bounced you. I'll email you directly with more detail on this so it won't happen

again.

 

-Orionsdad

 

rawfood , " studio53 " <studio53@s...> wrote:

> I think if you are going to refuse to post someone's message to the group

> the least you can do is give them an explanation: I'm still waiting for

> mine.

>

> Jesse

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, I appreciate the prompt response,

 

Jesse

 

-

" orionsdad " <no_reply >

<rawfood >

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:05 PM

[Raw Food] Re: Lurkers, new members, and trolls

 

 

> Jesse,

>

> Your posts have not been moderated since 7/23/2003. Your posts go straight

to the group.

>

> 's group log shows me that the system automatically " bounced " two of

your posts on 4/30 and 5/1. I did not reject them nor did I even see them.

The system looks at your email address and compares it with a r's

list. It thought you were not a r. I can see where it went wrong.

It shouldn't have bounced you. I'll email you directly with more detail on

this so it won't happen again.

>

> -Orionsdad

>

> rawfood , " studio53 " <studio53@s...> wrote:

> > I think if you are going to refuse to post someone's message to the

group

> > the least you can do is give them an explanation: I'm still waiting for

> > mine.

> >

> > Jesse

>