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June 6, 2004

Well, another attempt at getting raw today. I'm still having fun

though, even if I don't stay raw, as long as I don't drink and make

myself really sick. I went to see the ballet Swan Lake last night.

Fairly interesting. They showed Smarty Jones on a big, outside

screen that I saw before the ballet. I went to a Civil War

reenactment today, so now I guess I'm in for the night. I ate an

olive Friday night, after seeing someone give a talk on his book

about Bejamin Franklin, and it threw me off my equilibrium, so I

binged Friday night and went ahead and stayed unraw yesterday. But

if I can get in today, then I'm hopeful to be completely reset for

tomorrow and the week ahead.

How is everyone elses raw food life going?

Rich

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June 7, 2004

Mary Ellen, YOU DESERVE LOTS OF CONGRATULATION!. My husband is on the Atkin's

diet. I haven't passed up his cooked food yet. HELP!

Kelly

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June 7, 2004

So far so good. Sometimes it's hard to believe I made it this long. I've been

raw since March 25. My family had pizza delivered Friday evening and the aroma

almost threw me over the edge, but somehow I resisted temptation. Saturday the

Farmer's Market in my area opened, so I was able to buy some homegrown and

organic veggies. I had raw peas for the first time ever. Are they supposed to be

" crunchy " ? And my strawberries are ripening, so I've been eating those. Today,

however, I have been having cooked cravings. The smell of the hamburgers and

fries that my family had for dinner were calling to me. And the brownies! Darn

them! I kept eating apples, but I really wanted something " meaty " and " sugary " ,

and I didn't know what else to eat, so I mixed up some raw nuts (almonds &

pecans) and drizzled them with raw honey. I feel kinda bad because I know honey

isn't vegan, but at least it helped me to not eat a brownie.

Peace, ~*~Mary Ellen~*~

-

Rich Sachs

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Sunday, June 06, 2004 4:54 PM

[Raw Food] Eating Meeting

How is everyone elses raw food life going?

Rich

June 7, 2004

Hey Rich~

Glad to hear about your journey, and your continued comittment to " do it " .

I just came back fromt the Kerrville folk festival, something I do every year,

and I didnt eat raw there, but neither did I eat crazy. I am back home and raw

once again, and happy about that. Next week we are going on our annual family

reunion and I dont plan on being raw the entire time. I know that doesnt sound

great, but one thing I am happy about is that home/narmalcy= raw for me now. I

love that.

Take care everyone

Angela

Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote:

Well, another attempt at getting raw today. I'm still having fun

though, even if I don't stay raw, as long as I don't drink and make

myself really sick. I went to see the ballet Swan Lake last night.

Fairly interesting. They showed Smarty Jones on a big, outside

screen that I saw before the ballet. I went to a Civil War

reenactment today, so now I guess I'm in for the night. I ate an

olive Friday night, after seeing someone give a talk on his book

about Bejamin Franklin, and it threw me off my equilibrium, so I

binged Friday night and went ahead and stayed unraw yesterday. But

if I can get in today, then I'm hopeful to be completely reset for

tomorrow and the week ahead.

How is everyone elses raw food life going?

Rich

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June 7, 2004

rawfood , " Mary Ellen Wolfe " <Wolfegang@z...>

wrote:

> So far so good. Sometimes it's hard to believe I made it this long.

> I've been raw since March 25.

Congratulations on that two months.

< Saturday the Farmer's Market in my area opened, so I was able to

< buy some homegrown and organic veggies. I had raw peas for the

< first time ever. Are they supposed to be " crunchy " ?

I passed through the Reading Terminal Farmers Market here in Phila.

this afternoon on my way to a bus. Lots of good produce available.

Raw peas are a little crunchy, I guess.

< And the brownies! Darn them! I kept eating apples, but I really

< wanted something " meaty " and " sugary " , and I didn't know what else

< to eat, so I mixed up some raw nuts (almonds & pecans) and drizzled

< them with raw honey. I feel kinda bad because I know honey isn't

< vegan, but at least it helped me to not eat a brownie.

I resort to dates at such moments, the sweetest, little raw plant

food item available.

Well, I'm having a fairly good raw day. Feels boring, but peace of

mind always feels boring at first. I hope I get used to it. I just

peeled about eight pounds of carrots, I hope I eat them before they

go bad.

Rich

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June 8, 2004

I find it fascinating that someone can do this diet as they choose.

How could you " plan " on not " being raw the entire time " at your

annual family reunion? If I was to make such a plan, I wouldn't be

raw for half an hour following my decision. I've failed at being raw

countless times, but I always go into eating raw planning that I'll

be that way for the rest of my life.

Rich

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rawfood , Angela LaMonte <amadera656>

wrote:

> Next week we are going on our annual family reunion and I dont plan

on being raw the entire time. I know that doesnt sound great, but one

thing I am happy about is that home/narmalcy= raw for me now. I love

that.

> Take care everyone

> Angela

June 8, 2004

I am such an excessive personality type usually. I find it interesting that I

can give myself a day of cooked and then go back to raw too! It is

uncharacteristic of me. I used to like everything bad for me and would do that

in excess as well. Now raw feels like what I want and what feels good. But on my

family reunion I want to eat with everyone (cooked vegetarian), and use food in

that bonding way,and be easy on myself, and relax. But I do realize that I wont

be being truly " easy " on myself bc I am giving my body unhealthy food, so I am

in essence being " hard " on my self! Every week I eat cooked on Sunday, and

getting back to normal on Mondays is no sweat/no problem. I usually feel good

again by Tues. It is going to be an interesting experiment to see what happens

when I have two or three days of cooked food in my body. I hope I feel so

atrocious that I wont do it again!

Take care

Angela

Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote:

I find it fascinating that someone can do this diet as they choose.

How could you " plan " on not " being raw the entire time " at your

annual family reunion? If I was to make such a plan, I wouldn't be

raw for half an hour following my decision. I've failed at being raw

countless times, but I always go into eating raw planning that I'll

be that way for the rest of my life.

Rich

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June 8, 2004

Hi Rich,

I just feel free to eat anything. I use to eat fruits because I feel

very well in this way.

Occasionaly, especially when someone offers me something with love,

I take something within the frontiers of vegetarianism what doesn´t

seems too artificial, strong or dry to me.

On the other side, the people around me know very well then if I do

not want to take something, they can do what they want and I wan´t

take it.

The most important is that we like each other. I consider the love

in its various forms much more important than the most ideal way of

alimentation.

Since the last week I have began with breatharianism a little. The

correlation fuitarianism : breatharianism is 2:1. I will see, till

when, ha-ha, it is just such a play as everything else in my life.

Katarína

> Rich Sachs <seconaphim> wrote:

> I find it fascinating that someone can do this diet as they

choose.

> How could you " plan " on not " being raw the entire time " at your

> annual family reunion? If I was to make such a plan, I wouldn't

be

> raw for half an hour following my decision. I've failed at being

raw

> countless times, but I always go into eating raw planning that

I'll

> be that way for the rest of my life.

>

> Rich

>

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>

June 8, 2004

Wouldn't it be a better bonding experience if you demonstrated the

benefits of raw eating to your family? Helping loved ones slowly

kill themselves is not love. Do you really want to live under such a

confused state as your ambivalence testifies to? Let go of the pain

Angela.

Rich

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rawfood , Angela LaMonte <amadera656>

wrote:

> I am such an excessive personality type usually. I find it

interesting that I can give myself a day of cooked and then go back

to raw too! It is uncharacteristic of me. I used to like everything

bad for me and would do that in excess as well. Now raw feels like

what I want and what feels good. But on my family reunion I want to

eat with everyone (cooked vegetarian), and use food in that bonding

way,and be easy on myself, and relax. But I do realize that I wont be

being truly " easy " on myself bc I am giving my body unhealthy food,

so I am in essence being " hard " on my self! Every week I eat cooked

on Sunday, and getting back to normal on Mondays is no sweat/no

problem. I usually feel good again by Tues. It is going to be an

interesting experiment to see what happens when I have two or three

days of cooked food in my body. I hope I feel so atrocious that I

wont do it again!

> Take care

> Angela

June 8, 2004

rawfood , Katarína Hviezdarková

<katarinahviezdarkova> wrote:

> Hi Rich,

>

> I just feel free to eat anything. I use to eat fruits because I

feel

> very well in this way.

>

> Occasionaly, especially when someone offers me something with love,

> I take something within the frontiers of vegetarianism what doesn´t

> seems too artificial, strong or dry to me.

love ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lv)

n.

A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward

a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of

attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.

Everyone has a different interpretation as to what love is. Killing

myself softly or passively acknowledging others kill themselves

softly is not love to me.

> On the other side, the people around me know very well then if I do

> not want to take something, they can do what they want and I wan´t

> take it.

>

> The most important is that we like each other. I consider the love

> in its various forms much more important than the most ideal way of

> alimentation.

al·i·men·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l-mn-tshn)

n.

The act or process of giving or receiving nourishment.

Support; sustenance.

Confused concept of love, imho. Never heard the word alimentation

before, I'll have to remember it.

> Since the last week I have began with breatharianism a little. The

> correlation fuitarianism : breatharianism is 2:1. I will see, till

> when, ha-ha, it is just such a play as everything else in my life.

>

> Katarína

No one should take themselves too seriously, but everyone should live

up to their highest moral ideals which is not play in the sense that

you delineated.

Rich

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June 8, 2004

Rich,

I am just wondering. Are you a psychologist? You seem to have quite an

opinion on how people express themselves.

Have a beautiful day...lol

peace,

Tone

June 8, 2004

I appreciate where you are coming from.

What my family sees in looking at this Angela is someone who is vibrant, who has

energy, who is shining, and not depressed. They know that this comes from eating

raw foods. They know I was not like this before. What you call " ambivalence " I

call a " process " . I am on a journey and this is early on the path. I am okay

having a day off of raw foods a week. For now. It gives me the desire to do this

for a lifetime. I know how I work.

You have mentioned going off of raw lately unintentionally.

I am doing it intentionally, but I am okay with that. I dont see it as embracing

pain so much, as experimenting,and learning,and being flexible with myself.

Angela

Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote:

Wouldn't it be a better bonding experience if you demonstrated the

benefits of raw eating to your family? Helping loved ones slowly

kill themselves is not love. Do you really want to live under such a

confused state as your ambivalence testifies to? Let go of the pain

Angela.

Rich

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June 9, 2004

Hi Rich,

love ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lv)

> n.

> A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude

toward

> a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of

> attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.

>

> Everyone has a different interpretation as to what love is.

Well, I mean love in all its various forms.

Killing

> myself softly or passively acknowledging others kill themselves

> softly is not love to me.

I agree with you. However, there are many people that believe that

in the raw food there are not suffficient nutritions doesn´t matter

what arguments you show them.

They worry about me but they respect me as well as I respect them.

The most important is for us that we sincerely like each other.

al·i·men·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l-mn-tshn)

> n.

> The act or process of giving or receiving nourishment.

> Support; sustenance.

>

> Confused concept of love, imho. Never heard the word alimentation

> before, I'll have to remember it.

English is not my native langauge, you probably know much more

better what words are the apppropriate ones. However, they are just

the form and the important is what we mean by using them.

> No one should take themselves too seriously, but everyone should

live

> up to their highest moral ideals which is not play in the sense

that

> you delineated.

I just accept myself as I am and that helps me to live up to my

ideals. I accept the others as well. As in this moment, for example.

I listen to your opinions and I show you my ones, so both of us can

be a little better.

> Rich

Katarína

June 9, 2004

Hi Rich,

One more thing about killing us slowly:

It is possible that all we eat is killing us slowly and there is

just different speed of it.

Then the most ideal would be breatharianism.

And it is not just meal that can kill us slowly or can heal us...

Katarína

June 9, 2004

Where are you from?

> English is not my native langauge, you probably know much more

> better what words are the apppropriate ones. However, they are

just

> the form and the important is what we mean by using them.

June 9, 2004

psy·chol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-kl-j)

n. pl. psy·chol·o·gies

The science that deals with mental processes and behavior.

The emotional and behavioral characteristics of an individual,

group, or activity: the psychology of war.

Subtle tactical action or argument used to manipulate or influence

another: He used poor psychology on his employer when trying to make

the point.

Philosophy. The branch of metaphysics that studies the soul, the

mind, and the relationship of life and mind to the functions of the

body.

Yes, I am an expert in all these things, despite my repeated

failures to get raw. I get all my information from the book A

Course in Miracles. It explains that the slightest upset (guilt,

unhappiness, etc.) keeps us from our true purpose in God's will.

Rich

June 9, 2004

We're all dying, it's just a matter of how you live is what I get

you're saying. I have another belief that you can leave this world

in a flame (in other words, not age and die) as, for example, it's

said of Elijah, in the Bible, leaving the world in " chariots of

fire. "

I believe breatharianism is indeed possible, but it depends on God's

will for you.

Rich

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rawfood , Katarína Hviezdarková

<katarinahviezdarkova> wrote:

> Hi Rich,

>

> One more thing about killing us slowly:

>

> It is possible that all we eat is killing us slowly and there is

> just different speed of it.

>

> Then the most ideal would be breatharianism.

>

> And it is not just meal that can kill us slowly or can heal us...

>

> Katarína

June 9, 2004

Yes, I am an expert in all these things, despite my repeated

failures to get raw. I get all my information from the book A

Course in Miracles. It explains that the slightest upset (guilt,

unhappiness, etc.) keeps us from our true purpose in God's will.

Rich

Rich, I think that's wonderful. Personally, I find myself to be an " expert " on

kindness. I certainly do not psycho analyze people as to me that is judgement

and I think that is not of God's will.

Have a great day!!

Tone

June 9, 2004

Tone,

Why do you have to end all your posts with a sugary salutation?

Just give me my lambasting and leave it at that.

Rich

> Rich, I think that's wonderful. Personally, I find myself to be

an " expert " on kindness. I certainly do not psycho analyze people as

to me that is judgement and I think that is not of God's will.

>

> Have a great day!!

>

> Tone

June 10, 2004

Rich,

I have a problem with breathanarianism. How can it be God's will for anyone?

Didn't he give us all a digestive system, an appetite for food, teeth to chew it

with and a need for nutrients at the cellular level. We can't live withoiut

oxygen but energy for our daily functioning comes from food.

Myrna

June 10, 2004

Why do you have to end all your posts with a sugary salutation?

Just give me my lambasting and leave it at that.

No Lambasting or bashing at all. Just making a nice little point. Sorry but I am

who I am.

Enjoy your evening

Tone

June 10, 2004

I agree with you wholeheartedly angela. You have to take a day

away from it. Not to make you feel bad, but so you can break your

routine a lot. And then you slowly build to not even needing the

free day at all. It's not in a way a gift to yourself, but a

reminder of why you stayed raw for the 6 days of the week, the

benefits and the feelings. And sometimes you want to taste the

pizza. I know many people who are 100% raw...but then they have an

addictiont o popcorn and so far nothing raw has taken away that

craving and once in a while, they'll snack on some of that heavy

butter movie popcorn. Do I knock them, no way?! It's better to

give in a bit to your craving once in a while, than to sit there and

binge on everything else and STILL not feel satisfied. Follow your

body and your doing okay.

VB

rawfood , Angela LaMonte <amadera656>

wrote:

> I appreciate where you are coming from.

> What my family sees in looking at this Angela is someone who is

vibrant, who has energy, who is shining, and not depressed. They

know that this comes from eating raw foods. They know I was not like

this before. What you call " ambivalence " I call a " process " . I am on

a journey and this is early on the path. I am okay having a day off

of raw foods a week. For now. It gives me the desire to do this for

a lifetime. I know how I work.

> You have mentioned going off of raw lately unintentionally.

> I am doing it intentionally, but I am okay with that. I dont see

it as embracing pain so much, as experimenting,and learning,and

being flexible with myself.

> Angela

>

> Rich Sachs <seconaphim> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be a better bonding experience if you demonstrated the

> benefits of raw eating to your family? Helping loved ones slowly

> kill themselves is not love. Do you really want to live under

such a

> confused state as your ambivalence testifies to? Let go of the

pain

> Angela.

>

> Rich

>

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>

June 10, 2004

Hello and thank you for the support. I am just really trying to be kind to

myself, and understanding of wanting the one day of cooked. I think that my diet

is amazing compared to what it was before. I am encouraged, and I feel like it

is only a matter of time before I no longer need or want it. But even if I kept

the one day of cooked forever it is still a vast and considerable

change/improvement from my old diet.

Take care

Angela

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