Grains, grains, and more grains....oh and legumes

[Guest guest]

Okay I have a list of grains that I want to try out.

 

But something has come up. People talk to me about grains and

being raw?! I ask because I am a raw vegan, but as of late I have

been training at the gym, meaning cardio and weights. I want to

lose weight and build muscle. When I had first started my meal

plan grains and legumes, sprouted and soaked, respectively, were

atually not a basis.

 

but when I saw I was eating way too much food, filling on a bit of

food, and not meeting my nutrient requirements. I felt something

was wrong, luckily before my body got to used to this. Let me

rephrase so it makes sense. I had quite a bit of food on my list

to take in, in one day. About 6-8 bananas, 3 mangos, massive green

salad, about half a papaya wedge and on and on and on. Yes, that

was in one day. Let's just say that 2 bananas, 1 mango, and a

medium salad and I was full for the whole day. But to meet my

calorie intake, especially when vigorously working out, and so my

body doesn't reach starvation mode I'm to eat about 1800 calories.

 

But then I sat there adn I was like what could I be doign wrong. So

I used fitday, and redid a meal plan that included .5 cup of grains,

twice daily. I surpassed my calorie intake not to mention that I

got way tons of proteins and nutrients. I was in shock.

 

But then when I had mentioned this to someone who is fairly

reputable. They had mentioned in a book of theirs, how negative

grains are for us.

 

Now I need some help. I'm like feeling that being raw is becoming a

slow nightmare. One minute I find I'm doing something well and

everyone is saying this is the right way, then slowly I'm supposed

to omitt more and more things from my diet. And I feel like I'm

being pushed more fruitarian, but the thing is...I get really fed up

with fruit alone.

 

Can anyone tell me if it's true that grains are bad for us? Should

I stick with legumes only? Or is it okay to eat grains? Is

twice a day every day too much grains in a weeks time? What is the

minimum would someone recommend of grains to take in, if it is

recommended?

 

Okay that's about it...I'd love to find more indepth information on

sprouting and soaking grains and legumes. Especially the grains!!

 

Sincerely,

VB

[Guest guest]

" vaberella " <vaberella> wrote:

 

> But then when I had mentioned this to someone who is fairly

> reputable. They had mentioned in a book of theirs, how negative

> grains are for us.

> [...]

> Now I need some help. I'm like feeling that being raw is

> becoming a slow nightmare. One minute I find I'm doing something

> well and everyone is saying this is the right way, then slowly

> I'm supposed to omitt more and more things from my diet. And I

> feel like I'm being pushed more fruitarian, but the thing is...I

> get really fed up with fruit alone.

 

Fruit can be troublesome, especially domesticated, at least to

some people. It appears that when I restrict grains I start

overeating fruit and get attacks of weakness and fatigue all

the time. It's like riding a roller coaster. That doesn't happen

to me with grains. I feel very stable when I eat them. People

are different of course.

 

Here's a comparison between wild/natural fruit and

modern/cultivated fruit:

 

Wild-Natural Fruit vs. Modern-Cultivated Fruit

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/fruit-table/wild-cultiv-fruit-

1a.shtml

 

And here's some information about frutarianism. It would

be interesting to hear your (and other group members) comments

on this:

 

Waking Up from the Fruitarian Dreamtime

http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/fruit-dreams/index.shtml

 

> Can anyone tell me if it's true that grains are bad for us?

 

" Bad " is a relative concept with many aspects. Often it seems to

be subjective. Since I personally feel much better, both

phychologically and physiologically, having certain grains as my

staple instead of fruit, I would say grains are much better for me

than fruits. It is possible that grains are destroying my body

at the very moment even though I don't notice anything. But rather

that than fruit bingeing again. I'd rather live a shorter and

happier life than a long and miserable one. And who knows, maybe

fruits were harming my body more than grains.

 

> Should I stick with legumes only? Or is it okay to eat grains?

> Is twice a day every day too much grains in a weeks time? What

> is the minimum would someone recommend of grains to take in,

> if it is recommended?

 

What does your body tell you?

 

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

seconaphim writes:

 

Would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it. Like eat

a shaft of wheat.

 

 

Jesus and His disciples did! Luke 6:1

 

Sandy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:

> " vaberella " <vaberella> wrote:

>

> > But then when I had mentioned this to someone who is fairly

> > reputable. They had mentioned in a book of theirs, how

negative

> > grains are for us.

 

Would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it. Like eat

a shaft of wheat. Probably not. If it has to be processed it's not

meant for us.

 

> > [...]

> > Now I need some help. I'm like feeling that being raw is

> > becoming a slow nightmare. One minute I find I'm doing something

> > well and everyone is saying this is the right way, then slowly

> > I'm supposed to omitt more and more things from my diet. And I

> > feel like I'm being pushed more fruitarian, but the thing is...I

> > get really fed up with fruit alone.

 

I eat raw plant food, fruit, vegetables and nuts. There's plenty of

that stuff available. It's in the first aisle of your supermarket.

 

Rich

 

New Forum: www.raw_food

 

> > Can anyone tell me if it's true that grains are bad for us?

>

> " Bad " is a relative concept with many aspects. Often it seems to

> be subjective. Since I personally feel much better, both

> phychologically and physiologically, having certain grains as my

> staple instead of fruit, I would say grains are much better for me

> than fruits. It is possible that grains are destroying my body

> at the very moment even though I don't notice anything. But rather

> that than fruit bingeing again. I'd rather live a shorter and

> happier life than a long and miserable one. And who knows, maybe

> fruits were harming my body more than grains.

[Guest guest]

That's the only way it should be eaten if it's eaten at all. But

they commonly don't sell wheat as it's cut from a field.

 

rawfood , FITJUNKIE@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> seconaphim writes:

>

> Would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it. Like

eat

> a shaft of wheat.

>

>

> Jesus and His disciples did! Luke 6:1

>

> Sandy

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply, the condescending tone on the other hand was

completely unnecessary. I appreciate an adult response.

 

I was speaking in the case of sprouting. So soaking where nothing

is added but water is bad then to eat? And I'd really like to

know some articles to tell me in detail about this. I'm not a

person taht could sit there adn just eat leaves and fruits. I need

a bit more variety. Not only that..I'm body building, to explain to

you the amount of papaya, mango, and or greens I have to eat in one

day to get the nutrients I need is ridiculous, to give me the 1800

calories of energy I need to even do my normal 80lbs benchpress (I'm

female), and my 2 hours of cardio, not to mention my other weight

lifting.

 

I'm not going to stand here and claim that I'm 100% raw, but I do

want raw to mak up at least 70% of my diet. Thankfully another

gentleman did give me some better advice on grains.

 

 

rawfood , " Rich Sachs " <seconaphim> wrote:

> rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:

> > " vaberella " <vaberella> wrote:

> >

> > > But then when I had mentioned this to someone who is fairly

> > > reputable. They had mentioned in a book of theirs, how

> negative

> > > grains are for us.

>

> Would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it. Like

eat

> a shaft of wheat. Probably not. If it has to be processed it's

not

> meant for us.

 

VB: Processed for me was to be soaked. Hence my mention in my

post. I sincerely doubt this statement you said above. You first

mention would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it,

then when someone responds in the positive. You then say that they

don't sell them that way in the store. But your statement is not

for store bought but for raw and picked grain. I can't take a

person seriously when they start contradicting themselves.

 

 

 

 

>

> > > [...]

> > > Now I need some help. I'm like feeling that being raw is

> > > becoming a slow nightmare. One minute I find I'm doing

something

> > > well and everyone is saying this is the right way, then slowly

> > > I'm supposed to omitt more and more things from my diet. And I

> > > feel like I'm being pushed more fruitarian, but the thing

is...I

> > > get really fed up with fruit alone.

>

> I eat raw plant food, fruit, vegetables and nuts. There's plenty

of

> that stuff available. It's in the first aisle of your supermarket.

>

> Rich

>

> New Forum: www.raw_food

>

> > > Can anyone tell me if it's true that grains are bad for us?

> >

> > " Bad " is a relative concept with many aspects. Often it seems to

> > be subjective. Since I personally feel much better, both

> > phychologically and physiologically, having certain grains as my

> > staple instead of fruit, I would say grains are much better for

me

> > than fruits. It is possible that grains are destroying my body

> > at the very moment even though I don't notice anything. But

rather

> > that than fruit bingeing again. I'd rather live a shorter and

> > happier life than a long and miserable one. And who knows, maybe

> > fruits were harming my body more than grains.

[Guest guest]

Is corn a grain?

 

Luke 6:1

" And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he

went throught the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of

corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. "

 

rawfood , FITJUNKIE@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> seconaphim writes:

>

> Would anyone pick up a raw grain as it's grown and eat it. Like

eat

> a shaft of wheat.

>

>

> Jesus and His disciples did! Luke 6:1

>

> Sandy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am no expert, haven't written a book and I am not 100% raw. But

you got me thinking.

 

If you are working out, your body will get hungry and want to eat.

If you are working out and you get full and are not hungry after

eating 2 bananas, 1 mango and one medium salad. Then don't eat.

Where did you get the 1800 calories from? Honestly if you are

working out the way you say, I don't think it will take long for

your appetite to increase, when it does, eat until you are full.

Your body is a machine, it will want fuel when it needs it. Another

thing I thought about what about the asimilation factor. One book I

read from Victoria Boutenko mentions that when you are 100 percent

raw your asimilation goes way up. In other words you need less food,

because you are getting more out of your food. Maybe this is true.

Perhaps the 1800 calories is based off a SAD diet. SAD is very

calorie intense but not nutrient intense.

Personally I would eat until full and continue workouts, but monitor

what happens. If I started loosing too much weight then I would look

further. I would keep track of my weight and my eating, see what

develops. Have you read Dr. Grahams book? I think it is " On

Nutrition and Physical Performance " or something like that. Also Dr.

Jim Guest has an excellent book " Extreme Health " . I found both of

these very informative and helpful.

 

I am one fo these people and I struggle every day, trying to listen

to my body rather than tell my body what it needs.

 

I don't feel grains are meant to be food for us, but I don't know

that. That is just what I think/feel.

 

I liked your question, let us know how things are going.

 

Monte

 

 

 

rawfood , " vaberella " <vaberella> wrote:

> Okay I have a list of grains that I want to try out.

>

> But something has come up. People talk to me about grains and

> being raw?! I ask because I am a raw vegan, but as of late I

have

> been training at the gym, meaning cardio and weights. I want to

> lose weight and build muscle. When I had first started my meal

> plan grains and legumes, sprouted and soaked, respectively, were

> atually not a basis.

>

> but when I saw I was eating way too much food, filling on a bit of

> food, and not meeting my nutrient requirements. I felt something

> was wrong, luckily before my body got to used to this. Let me

> rephrase so it makes sense. I had quite a bit of food on my

list

> to take in, in one day. About 6-8 bananas, 3 mangos, massive

green

> salad, about half a papaya wedge and on and on and on. Yes, that

> was in one day. Let's just say that 2 bananas, 1 mango, and a

> medium salad and I was full for the whole day. But to meet my

> calorie intake, especially when vigorously working out, and so my

> body doesn't reach starvation mode I'm to eat about 1800

calories.

>

> But then I sat there adn I was like what could I be doign wrong.

So

> I used fitday, and redid a meal plan that included .5 cup of

grains,

> twice daily. I surpassed my calorie intake not to mention that I

> got way tons of proteins and nutrients. I was in shock.

>

> But then when I had mentioned this to someone who is fairly

> reputable. They had mentioned in a book of theirs, how negative

> grains are for us.

>

> Now I need some help. I'm like feeling that being raw is becoming

a

> slow nightmare. One minute I find I'm doing something well and

> everyone is saying this is the right way, then slowly I'm supposed

> to omitt more and more things from my diet. And I feel like I'm

> being pushed more fruitarian, but the thing is...I get really fed

up

> with fruit alone.

>

> Can anyone tell me if it's true that grains are bad for us?

Should

> I stick with legumes only? Or is it okay to eat grains? Is

> twice a day every day too much grains in a weeks time? What is

the

> minimum would someone recommend of grains to take in, if it is

> recommended?

>

> Okay that's about it...I'd love to find more indepth information

on

> sprouting and soaking grains and legumes. Especially the grains!!

>

> Sincerely,

> VB

[Guest guest]

Is that the Bible verse?, I thought they rubbed wheat. I eat raw

corn.

 

rawfood , " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> wrote:

> Is corn a grain?

>

> Luke 6:1

> " And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that

he

> went throught the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears

of

> corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. "

[Guest guest]

Please see my detailed message in the archives of this list, about

grains:

 

rawfood/message/8635

 

Zsuzsa

[Guest guest]

we don't need to hear about church on Monday- Fridays

 

Rich Sachs <seconaphim wrote: Is that the Bible verse?, I thought

they rubbed wheat. I eat raw

corn.

 

rawfood , " mavalkyrie " <mavalkyrie> wrote:

> Is corn a grain?

>

> Luke 6:1

> " And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that

he

> went throught the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears

of

> corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. "

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/10/2004 9:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

seconaphim writes:

 

Is that the Bible verse?, I thought they rubbed wheat. I eat raw

corn.

 

 

 

I think it depends which translation you like! My translation says they

plucked the heads of grain.

King James Version

 

Sandy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Church?

 

we don't need to hear about church on Monday- Fridays

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mine is King James Version too, wonder why the difference?

 

rawfood , FITJUNKIE@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/10/2004 9:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> seconaphim writes:

>

> Is that the Bible verse?, I thought they rubbed wheat. I eat

raw

> corn.

>

>

>

> I think it depends which translation you like! My translation

says they

> plucked the heads of grain.

> King James Version

>

> Sandy

>

>

>