BOYCOTT AND PASS ON THE: Living Now Festival Summer 2004 July 29t

[Guest guest]

Jesse says...

" " Let us come together to rejoice in this sacred present moment and

create a more beautiful and awakened future, " and not include dogs,

which are certainly an intrinsic and irreplaceable part of Sacred Life.

 

 

Zsuzsa says...

Thank you, Jesse, I applaud you for this challenge to the hypocrisy

and bigotry against non-humans practiced by most humans. It is baggage

which sadly many humans carry with them into the raw vegan movement,

and indeed it has no place in a compassionate, healthy, enlightened

society.

 

Jan responds...

I can tell both of you deeply love your animals. The next time you

put on an event I feel confident dogs will be included.

 

However, when others go to all the hard work, scheduling nightmares,

and come up with a location that doesn't allow dogs - why is that?

Could it be that the problem lies with irresponsible dog owners and

that not all dogs are properly socialized?

 

Actually in the middle ages dogs were allowed everywhere. As time

passed, limits were placed on where dogs can go...hmmmmm seems true in

all of civilized history.

 

I love how all of life is designed to show us our " issues " and the

game of life appears to be about non-attachment.

 

Reality is dogs are not allowed at the event. When you argue with

Reality you always lose but only 100% of the time.

 

Have you taken a survey of how many people attending an event would

prefer no dogs?

 

Most surveys indicate a tilt towards - no dogs.

 

Shocking isn't it. In your world that means these people are

" unenlightened " . In my world it simply is what it is - no label

necessary.

 

Doesn't make the dogs wrong...doesn't make you right...just is.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

You have the last word on it,

Jesse

 

-

<premamudita

<rawfood >

Friday, June 18, 2004 6:24 PM

[Raw Food] Re: BOYCOTT AND PASS ON THE: Living Now Festival Summer

2004 July 29t

 

 

> Jesse says...

> " " Let us come together to rejoice in this sacred present moment and

> create a more beautiful and awakened future, " and not include dogs,

> which are certainly an intrinsic and irreplaceable part of Sacred Life.

>

>

> Zsuzsa says...

> Thank you, Jesse, I applaud you for this challenge to the hypocrisy

> and bigotry against non-humans practiced by most humans. It is baggage

> which sadly many humans carry with them into the raw vegan movement,

> and indeed it has no place in a compassionate, healthy, enlightened

> society.

>

> Jan responds...

> I can tell both of you deeply love your animals. The next time you

> put on an event I feel confident dogs will be included.

>

> However, when others go to all the hard work, scheduling nightmares,

> and come up with a location that doesn't allow dogs - why is that?

> Could it be that the problem lies with irresponsible dog owners and

> that not all dogs are properly socialized?

>

> Actually in the middle ages dogs were allowed everywhere. As time

> passed, limits were placed on where dogs can go...hmmmmm seems true in

> all of civilized history.

>

> I love how all of life is designed to show us our " issues " and the

> game of life appears to be about non-attachment.

>

> Reality is dogs are not allowed at the event. When you argue with

> Reality you always lose but only 100% of the time.

>

> Have you taken a survey of how many people attending an event would

> prefer no dogs?

>

> Most surveys indicate a tilt towards - no dogs.

>

> Shocking isn't it. In your world that means these people are

> " unenlightened " . In my world it simply is what it is - no label

> necessary.

>

> Doesn't make the dogs wrong...doesn't make you right...just is.

>

> Jan

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , premamudita@a... wrote:

 

> However, when others go to all the hard work, scheduling

nightmares,

> and come up with a location that doesn't allow dogs - why is that?

 

Could it be because they didn't look for a location that does allow

animals? Or perhaps it's because the ones that do allow animals were

so popular they were all booked up?

 

> Could it be that the problem lies with irresponsible dog owners and

> that not all dogs are properly socialized?

 

Could it be that blaming the animals or the owners is just a

convenient assumption? And could it be that it has nothing to do

with the reality of animals, but has more to do with venues pre-

emptively avoiding the possibility of imagined liability?

 

> Actually in the middle ages dogs were allowed everywhere. As time

> passed, limits were placed on where dogs can go...hmmmmm seems

true in

> all of civilized history.

 

Yes, as humans crowded out the natural world, and substituted an

artificial one, animals not only were prohibited virtually

everywhere, but concomitantly began to be exterminated everywhere.

Isn't civilization great? So wonderfully Stepford Wives. You can go

for miles and never see any sign of life except wall-to-wall humans.

 

> I love how all of life is designed to show us our " issues " and the

> game of life appears to be about non-attachment.

 

I love how the game of life to some is about non-attachment when it

comes to animals, but where is the non-attachment when it comes to

selling tickets to an event?

 

> Reality is dogs are not allowed at the event. When you argue with

> Reality you always lose but only 100% of the time.

 

Reality is there's a reality far greater than a bunch of people

avoiding animals and coming up with clever justifications for it.

Reality is Nature, of which non-human animals are even more a part

than are humans, and no matter how we pretend it away, the Earth and

her creatures are reality. Reality is, you argue with that reality,

you lose my vote.

 

> Have you taken a survey of how many people attending an event would

> prefer no dogs?

>

> Most surveys indicate a tilt towards - no dogs.

 

How about a survey to see how many people would prefer no children

at an event? Or how about no older people, no people with green

eyes, no people of certain nationalities, races, religions? The

possibilities for exclusions are boundless.

 

> Shocking isn't it. In your world that means these people are

> " unenlightened " . In my world it simply is what it is - no label

> necessary.

>

> Doesn't make the dogs wrong...doesn't make you right...just is.

 

It's about non-attachment to events which exclude non-human animals,

just as it's about non-attachment to cooked food, drugs, SUV's,

mansions, fancy clothes, etc. No label necessary...just is.

 

Zsuzsa

[Guest guest]

Jan,

 

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Rufus

--- premamudita wrote:

> Jesse says...

> " " Let us come together to rejoice in this sacred

> present moment and

> create a more beautiful and awakened future, " and

> not include dogs,

> which are certainly an intrinsic and irreplaceable

> part of Sacred Life.

>

>

> Zsuzsa says...

> Thank you, Jesse, I applaud you for this challenge

> to the hypocrisy

> and bigotry against non-humans practiced by most

> humans. It is baggage

> which sadly many humans carry with them into the raw

> vegan movement,

> and indeed it has no place in a compassionate,

> healthy, enlightened

> society.

>

> Jan responds...

> I can tell both of you deeply love your animals.

> The next time you

> put on an event I feel confident dogs will be

> included.

>

> However, when others go to all the hard work,

> scheduling nightmares,

> and come up with a location that doesn't allow dogs

> - why is that?

> Could it be that the problem lies with irresponsible

> dog owners and

> that not all dogs are properly socialized?

>

> Actually in the middle ages dogs were allowed

> everywhere. As time

> passed, limits were placed on where dogs can

> go...hmmmmm seems true in

> all of civilized history.

>

> I love how all of life is designed to show us our

> " issues " and the

> game of life appears to be about non-attachment.

>

> Reality is dogs are not allowed at the event. When

> you argue with

> Reality you always lose but only 100% of the time.

>

> Have you taken a survey of how many people attending

> an event would

> prefer no dogs?

>

> Most surveys indicate a tilt towards - no dogs.

>

> Shocking isn't it. In your world that means these

> people are

> " unenlightened " . In my world it simply is what it

> is - no label

> necessary.

>

> Doesn't make the dogs wrong...doesn't make you

> right...just is.

>

> Jan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>