Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 rawfood , Paul Ladendorf <paulldndrf> wrote: > Zsuzsa, it sounds to me as though you believe that alternative medicine is completely worthless. Is this correct? Yes or No, please. Paul and all, It would be great if the only problem with medicine were simply that it's useless or worthless—I wouldn't concern myself with it then. But the problem is that it's far worse than useless or worthless. Substances put into the body are not neutral, they are either food, which is raw material for the body; or they are toxins, which are harmful to the body. Of course, there is a range, a continuum, with all natural foods having nutritional properties as well as toxins. What makes them food for us or not, depends on the ratio of nutrition to the toxins. Ripe fruit contains the most perfect nutrients, and contains minimal amounts of toxins, and is easy to digest—that's the stuff of life. Vegetables, or the plants themselves which produce the fruits/nuts/seeds, contain more toxins, and are more difficult to digest, as they are not designed to be eaten, but they are the next best food for us. Animal flesh and other animal products are incompatible with human physiology, and are therefore much more problematic—they are difficult to eat, to digest, and are full of toxins, and our bodies have therefore a natural revulsion toward them. However, humanity at one time had to eat them, as they were all that was available to humans during the ice age. Humans are primates, and primates lived in health, in the rainforests, for 22 million years or more, as frugivores. Symptom suppression When primates began eating animal corpses, they naturally began to lose the pristine health in which they'd lived for so long. Humans, being completely unadapted to eating corpses, began to become toxic, and developed symptoms. Symptoms are evidence of the body's elimination of toxins, but of course people did not know this—they still don't know it. All sorts of external forces were assigned as causes for symptoms—evil spirits, bad karma, hexes, etc., just as symptoms are today attributed to unseen beasties; poor little innocent microorganisms are demonized into armies of invaders and killers, prompting an endless war and holocaust by humans upon these poor tiny creatures, and of course the hysteria over their supposedly causing disease, an absurdity. The fear and misunderstanding of symptoms allowed the rise of the power brokers known as shamans. With their discovery of plants and other substances which had protective toxins in them, they were able to make symptoms " miraculously " vanish, and they became the most powerful influence among primitive ice age humans thereby. Medics today are simply the same shamans, administering poisons to the public who deifies them, in order to banish symptoms. In fact, the formulae for the synthesis of many drugs today are still the same as the herbal preparations from which they originated. Of course, symptoms are simply evidence of the healing process in the body, and are autogenic. The contagion theory, which was thoroughly disproved by Antoine Bechamp in the 1800's, was nevertheless promoted by Louis Pasteur to catapult him into wealth and fame, though Pasteur recanted on his deathbed his transgression and denounced the contagion theory. Sadly, the contagion theory, and the drugs and surgery that it engenders, is the religion of today's medical paradigm, based as it is on a long tradition of shamanic brutality against the body. The great doctor Hans Ruesch, M.D. tells us that this tradition comes down from Galen, not from Hippocrates. Hippocrates apparently advocated raw food, mostly fruitarian, rationality, and peace toward the animals and the Earth. It was Galen who sought causes extrinsically, and Galen encouraged vivisection. This is the model used today, in our materialistic, immoral and unspiritual society, cycled through Descartes' horrendous torture of animals and existentialist paradigm. How pathetic that the medics pretend to follow Hippocrates, and take the Hippocratic oath, vowing to do no harm, when in fact medics do little else except harm. As my long-term raw vegan friend Wally Straton says, the medical profession is the " symptom suppression profession " . Palliation We begin to get symptoms when our bodies get cleaner. Symptoms are NOT a manifestation of a deficiency! Symptoms are manifestations of the body healing, cleansing, repairing, including fixing absorption. Any toxins will give a stimulant effect, symptom suppression effect— a palliative effect. You can get the same effect from cigarettes, coffee, prozac, you name it. In one dose, a toxin will have a stimulant effect, in another dose it will have a soporific effect. But putting toxins into the body is just the body whipping itself into a frenzy to hurriedly get rid of the toxin. It's just whipping the tired horse, that is the stimulating effect. Or soporific effect, or " tonic " effect. These are the types of effects that people think is fixing a " deficiency " . But it's just palliation, the effect that toxins in " supplement " form have on the body which is frantically working to get rid of them. That is how medicine " works " — the body stops generating the dramatic cleansing/healing/repairing actions it has been doing, so that it can devote its energies to the emergency at hand, which is to eliminate the palliative, which is a toxin threatening the life of the body. That is how " curing " works, and it is a great mistake to consider it something desirable, or to mistake it for " healing " . Palliation, the banishing of symptoms by means of ingesting toxic substances, means that not only do we add to the toxic load of the body by ingesting the palliative, but also that the toxins that the body was originally trying to eliminate and the healing and repairing it was trying to do, by means of the symptoms, remain unfinished and shorten life. On the other hand, when we stop whipping the tired horse, stop taking in toxins of all kinds, including " supplements " , animal products, etc., what are we left with? A tired horse! And the tired horse needs rest, to recharge, not more toxins to whip the horse into action again. Chronic fatigue is very common--it is the body trying to force us to rest so that it can heal and recharge. And real food does not have the " miraculous " effects on the body that the toxic " supplements " do. Real food, the food to which we are naturally biologically adapted, does not result in our feeling any different after we've eaten, except that we don't feel hungry anymore. None of our problems are going to be improved by adding in toxic foods and other palliatives to our diets. That just compounds the problem, adding to assimilation problems. We can find " researchers " to support any theory we can think up. Medicine What is medicine? The very word " medicine " is drugs. What are drugs? They are palliation, they are poisons administered in order to banish symptoms. Because the absence of symptoms is what is considered health in our society. Therefore any substance, no matter how toxic, that banishes symptoms, is hailed as " miraculous " . And anything that banishes symptoms must inherently be toxic, since nothing non-toxic has the effect of banishing symptoms. No healthy substance can or does affect symptoms in any way, only the ingestion of poisons results in the disappearance of symptoms. The type of medicine, whether " alternative " or conventional, varies only in the types and/or quantities of toxins used in order to banish symptoms. Homeopathic medicine, for example, uses minute quantities of potent toxins in order to banish symptoms. Herbology uses toxic, " medicinal " herbs. All medicine, and in fact probably all other modalities of " healing " , which in fact are curing, NOT healing, have in common the goal of banishing symptoms. In truth, only the body can heal, all else is curing. Sadly, the medical mythology is so pervasive in our society, people cannot see it for what it is, so steeped are they in the mythology, and so religiously do they believe in it. I can understand why people adhere to these false concepts so tenaciously, despite being exposed to the truth--if one piece of the mythology most people believe in were to be removed, the whole house of cards could come tumbling down, and that is a very uncomfortable position to be in, to have to re-evaluate all that one thinks one knows. The medical mythology, and all that goes along with it, the entire curing mentality, is so persistently defended by most people, as though their life depended on it, when actually of course their life depends on their doing the opposite. YOU CANNOT POISON SOMEONE INTO HEALTH! Addition versus subtraction One thing I've noticed, that is one of the very basic reasons why people cling so much to the medical mythology, is that it welcomes the addition of anything and everything. Drugs and surgery? Sure, bring it on. They don't fix the problem? Okay, let's do some herbs, and colonics, and supplements. Still looking for help? Bring on the acupuncture, the wheatgrass, animal products, algae, iridology, " juice fasts " , clay eating, oil drinking, urine drinking, high protein diets, low carb diets, non-fat diets, etc., etc., " remedies " , palliatives, fixes, ad infinitum. The medical mythology welcomes it all, the more the merrier! Anything goes! The more unnatural practices and substances, the healthier we are, that is the philosophy! Hygiene flies in the face of this philosophy. Hygiene says, stop, and reverse vector, go 180 degrees in the opposite direction. All the artifice, " remedies " , palliatives, non-foods which are peddled as food, as " nutrition " , as " necessary " , all the manipulative and invasive practices—they are all unhealthy, they lead in the opposite direction from health, and toward death. Stop them, and go the other way. Return to Nature, to the way we were designed to live, and to eat. Do not put into the body anything else, nor do to the body anything else. This is the simple message of Hygiene. But most people fight it with all their might, because they have been so steeped in the opposite, in the untruths and unhealthy artificial habits and substances, and they can't let go of them. They can't investigate any information that does not fit with their cherished medical paradigm, they can't possibly even consider the idea that all that they've been taught could be wrong. They are totally stuck. Subtraction is much more important than addition. We are taught from birth to eat a " balanced diet " , which means to eat some of everything, because " science " doesn't have a clue what we should be eating, so that if we eat some of everything then we'll have it covered somehow. The medics then measure levels of individual nutrients, decide upon what is " average " and call that " normal " , and encourages constant " testing " by everyone of these levels, and artificial manipulation of these levels of individual nutrients in order to get the effects that the medics seek. There is actually nothing scientific about it, it's just crude attempts at manipulating the body biochemically and it just screws up the body by ingesting more toxins that the body cannot use and that further poison the body. The most important thing for our health is not what we eat, but what we DON'T eat. We benefit our health the most by NOT ingesting ANYTHING but our naturally compatible food and water (and the best water is found in fruits). We are NOT meant to ingest everything under the sun. We are frugivores, and as such we are attracted to and equipped to eat only fruits, veggies (plants, mostly leafy, less starchy ones), and nuts/edible seeds. If we can divest ourselves of the mania to continually add things to what we eat, despite being bombarded by ads in both the conventional and the raw food media imploring us to do so, we will be much healthier. We cannot benefit from consuming pills, powders, animal corpses and other animal products, cooked foods, or any other palliatives—these have a negative net effect on our health and our lifespan, and consumption of them can only serve to toxify us. We need to eat only our naturally compatible foods, enough to satisfy us, as our body directs us. A body that is clean on the inside, not toxified, and well rested, as well as meeting the other requisites of life, is what ensures health and longevity. We have health by DEFAULT, when we don't screw it up. The movement that is now called Natural Hygiene invented the word hygiene, in the 1800's—it was taken from the name of the Greek goddess Hygeia, who stood for cleanliness and purity. That is what we need to strive for, above all. And cleanliness cannot be achieved by imposing fasts upon the body when the body is not demanding it. And cleanliness cannot be achieved by " juice fasts " , or " cleanses " , powders, potions, pills, or enemas, colonics, psyllium, maple syrup and lemon water, etc., no gimmicks. You can't clean the body, only the body can cleanse itself on the inside. And the body is ALWAYS cleansing and healing itself, and its ability to do so depends upon NOT toxifying it with gimmicks, with animal products, with cooked food, with medicines of any sort. We need to leave the body alone. Again, YOU CAN'T POISON A BODY INTO HEALTH! Health Health is simple, in the sense that our job is simple. The body of course is incredibly complex. The body is so complex that the primitive medical industry can't possibly comprehend even the tiniest fraction of it, yet the medics presume to know better than the body, and get us to impose all kinds of nonsense on it. The body is phenomenally complex, coordinating 30 or so TRILLION cells simultaneously, myriad functions, ultra-sophisticated communications systems, bio-chemical abilities we can't possibly fathom. We're not SUPPOSED to try to figure it out, or to interfere with any of it. The body makes it completely simple for us, idiot-proof simple. The body TELLS us exactly what it needs from us, at any given time. If we don't heed the body, the body does its best to FORCE us to listen and give the body the conditions it needs so that the body can carry on the work it needs to ensure our survival and optimal health. It is NOT prudent to go against the body's mandates, in order to obey instead the " authorities " , the gurus, the medical profession, society, one's beliefs and indoctrination, etc. Of course one may do precisely as one pleases, but one's health will pay the price. Health is not something difficult or complicated for us. Health is what we have when we don't screw things up. Health is our DEFAULT mode, we have health NATURALLY. And our bodies ALWAYS and CONTINUALLY throughout our lives seek to restore us to as perfect health as possible, as only our bodies can do. Zsuzsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I have to disagree with this. Let me ask what you would do in this situation...... Your husband is working in the yard and sees a spider on his hand. The next morning, he wakes up with a red, ulcerous bite and his hand swollen so much that his knuckles cannot be seen. Is this a case where you also would not try something " medicinal " ?? This actually just happened to me and my husband on Wednesday morning. We did some research and the symptoms sounded like it was that of a Brown Recluse Spider. In reading about these bites, we read that some people have been hospitalized for days on I.V.'s, had skin grafts and in some cases, people have had amputations! The skin and surrounding tissue dies from the venom. My Mom is a nurse (she also uses essential oils, so she practices both traditional and alternative medicine) and she suggested that he soak his hand in Hydrogen Peroxide - he did a that a couple of times. He also applied Neosporin and doused it pretty heavily all day with Purification (a particular blend) oil. We also soaked a cotton ball in the oil and taped it over the bite. Purification, according to my essential oils reference book, neutralizes the venom from a Brown Recluse spider. We also applied Aroma Siez (another blend) and Lavender, but mainly used the Purification. The next day, his swelling was almost all gone and the ulcerous bite was nearly healed. It's still a bit swollen, but I don't think he'll have a reaction like the ones we looked up on the internet. They were so scary that i couldn't even look at some of the photos! I am very thankful we had the Purification on hand. I'm afraid to think what it would have turned into without it. There are times when there is no alternative, but to use " medicine. " Linda :-) http://www.YoungLiving.com/LGHatton http://www.Ryze.com/go/LGHatton http://www.youravon.com/lgoleschhatton - " southladogs " <southladogs <rawfood > Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:02 PM [Raw Food] Medical mythology versus health Herbology uses toxic, " medicinal " herbs. All medicine, and in fact probably all other modalities of " healing " , which in fact are curing, NOT healing, have in common the goal of banishing symptoms. In truth, only the body can heal, all else is curing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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