Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Here in Arizona, we hold raw retreats at the Hot Springs in southeastern Arizona. And occasionally, we've invited David WereWolfe and his entourage to be the guests of honor. (And he's paid handsomely for his efforts.) Earlier this year, we invited him and his followers to our retreat, and in the days immediately after our retreat, he held one of his own. (Which seemed a little sleazy to me; as we invited him and he takes full advantage of our hospitality by hosting his own retreat right after ours? As in, why go to our retreat when you can go to his...) Despite this, we invited him for our Halloween retreat, and now I find out, he's cheated our group out of the spot that weekend, and he's holding his own retreat there on the same dates; and has now said we can attend his retreat at our expense! His retreat! We secured the dates, he steals them, and then wants us to pay to see him? I guess coming from a plagiarist, we shouldn't be too surprised. But to screw over your " friends, " is truly low in my opinion. And apparently (I wasn't aware of this), but I'm hearing he's done this same thing to our group before! So let the word go forth, this guy is finished as the so-called " leader " of the raw food movement. I am publicly vowing AS OF RIGHT NOW to bring this Lowlife down. Steve Carlson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 I just ordered some of his books from Barnes and Noble where a friend works. After reading your post I wish I didn't but oh well. Perhaps you need to discuss with him more thoroughly? Also, vowing to take him down isn't really healthy for you spiritually. David Wolfe seemed to me to be a hollywood raw foodie, kinda like Guliano. I'm not raw as yet, but learning about the movement and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Wow, very interesting Steve <dreammaking2002 wrote:Here in Arizona, we hold raw retreats at the Hot Springs in southeastern Arizona. And occasionally, we've invited David WereWolfe and his entourage to be the guests of honor. (And he's paid handsomely for his efforts.) Earlier this year, we invited him and his followers to our retreat, and in the days immediately after our retreat, he held one of his own. (Which seemed a little sleazy to me; as we invited him and he takes full advantage of our hospitality by hosting his own retreat right after ours? As in, why go to our retreat when you can go to his...) Despite this, we invited him for our Halloween retreat, and now I find out, he's cheated our group out of the spot that weekend, and he's holding his own retreat there on the same dates; and has now said we can attend his retreat at our expense! His retreat! We secured the dates, he steals them, and then wants us to pay to see him? I guess coming from a plagiarist, we shouldn't be too surprised. But to screw over your " friends, " is truly low in my opinion. And apparently (I wasn't aware of this), but I'm hearing he's done this same thing to our group before! So let the word go forth, this guy is finished as the so-called " leader " of the raw food movement. I am publicly vowing AS OF RIGHT NOW to bring this Lowlife down. Steve Carlson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I agree with your view about the spirituality of taking him down.. Renee Char <cyborg565rjc wrote: I just ordered some of his books from Barnes and Noble where a friend works. After reading your post I wish I didn't but oh well. Perhaps you need to discuss with him more thoroughly? Also, vowing to take him down isn't really healthy for you spiritually. David Wolfe seemed to me to be a hollywood raw foodie, kinda like Guliano. I'm not raw as yet, but learning about the movement and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 that does suck. i also am awaiting one of his books (sunfood diet) in the mail. has anyone else read it? if you could not tell already, i am a newbie to the raw way of living. sol assalaam alaikum divine earth...maat ana al-haqq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 It is well-known within raw food circles that Wolfe's so-called " Sun Food Diet " book is a largely plagiarized book - with entire passages copied almost entirely from other sources. Having been challenged on this, publicly, on numerous occasions, Wolfe steadfastly refuses to pull the book off the market. And continues to make money on it. I honestly can't say why he hasn't been prosecuted for it; nor why the authors' of the words he conveniently borrowed haven't gone after him for compnesatory damages. And, as far as I know, Wolfe has not been convicted of breaking any other laws. Let the buyer beware. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 How is David Wolfe's book plagarised? New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 wow. i was not aware of this. thanks for informing me. i guess its too late to return the book. what are some other good books to help with the transition? Steve <dreammaking2002 wrote: It is well-known within raw food circles that Wolfe's so-called " Sun Food Diet " book is a largely plagiarized book - with entire passages copied almost entirely from other sources. Having been challenged on this, publicly, on numerous occasions, Wolfe steadfastly refuses to pull the book off the market. And continues to make money on it. I honestly can't say why he hasn't been prosecuted for it; nor why the authors' of the words he conveniently borrowed haven't gone after him for compnesatory damages. And, as far as I know, Wolfe has not been convicted of breaking any other laws. Let the buyer beware. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 Yes, I have the book and it's awesome, you won't be unhappy! Now, what did David do? I rarely read these posts and obviously missed something. Happy un-cooking to you!! Karin roksol sista <solsista wrote: that does suck. i also am awaiting one of his books (sunfood diet) in the mail. has anyone else read it? if you could not tell already, i am a newbie to the raw way of living. sol assalaam alaikum divine earth...maat ana al-haqq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 I am reading the book also and i love it.. Gaynell KVG <snoopylover_2000 wrote: Yes, I have the book and it's awesome, you won't be unhappy! Now, what did David do? I rarely read these posts and obviously missed something. Happy un-cooking to you!! Karin roksol sista <solsista wrote: that does suck. i also am awaiting one of his books (sunfood diet) in the mail. has anyone else read it? if you could not tell already, i am a newbie to the raw way of living. sol assalaam alaikum divine earth...maat ana al-haqq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Regardless of what has been implied regarding DW's business practices, if you gain insight, are inspired and/or learn how to improve your health through reading his or any other raw teacher's books, your purchases are worth it. Do not let other people's experiences or opinions get in the way of your growth and healing. For many, DW's books have been extremely helpful and have been a great support in gaining awareness and knowledge in making raw food a positive way of life. I am not supporting or denouncing anyone; I just want to emphasize the importance of knowledge while on this journey. Exposing yourself to as much information on the subject will help you decide what works best for you. It will also help you get through any pitfalls you might experience. peace & joy. On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, at 11:26 AM, rawfood wrote: > Message: 7 > Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:53:56 -0700 (PDT) > gaynell andress <andressgaynell > Re: > > > I agree with your view about the spirituality of taking him down.. > > Renee Char <cyborg565rjc wrote: > I just ordered some of his books from Barnes and Noble where a friend > works. After reading your post I wish I didn't but oh well. Perhaps > you need to discuss with him more thoroughly? Also, vowing to take him > down isn't really healthy for you spiritually. David Wolfe seemed to > me to be a hollywood raw foodie, kinda like Guliano. I'm not raw as > yet, but learning about the movement and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Very true. Knowledge is key to your personal journey. Be very careful in choosing the sources of the information you take to heart. If you buy books only from raw food websites for example, they may not have any info about the negative affects of the lifestyle. If you want to gain a more comprehensive, unbiased understanding, contact Bastyr university or another naturopathic institution. Just be careful and Good luck Dave rawfood , ATrulyFreeSpirit <PlaysByTheSea@e...> wrote: > Regardless of what has been implied regarding DW's business practices, > if you gain insight, are inspired and/or learn how to improve your > health through reading > his or any other raw teacher's books, your purchases are worth it. Do > not let other > people's experiences or opinions get in the way of your growth and > healing. > For many, DW's books have been extremely helpful and have been a great > support in gaining awareness and knowledge in making raw food a > positive way > of life. I am not supporting or denouncing anyone; I just want to > emphasize the > importance of knowledge while on this journey. Exposing yourself to as > much > information on the subject will help you decide what works best for > you. It > will also help you get through any pitfalls you might experience. > > peace & joy. > > On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, at 11:26 AM, rawfood > wrote: > > > Message: 7 > > Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:53:56 -0700 (PDT) > > gaynell andress <andressgaynell> > > Re: > > > > > > I agree with your view about the spirituality of taking him down.. > > > > Renee Char <cyborg565rjc> wrote: > > I just ordered some of his books from Barnes and Noble where a friend > > works. After reading your post I wish I didn't but oh well. Perhaps > > you need to discuss with him more thoroughly? Also, vowing to take him > > down isn't really healthy for you spiritually. David Wolfe seemed to > > me to be a hollywood raw foodie, kinda like Guliano. I'm not raw as > > yet, but learning about the movement and food. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 That comes from " A Truly Free Spirit " ..Thanks ATrulyFreeSpirit <PlaysByTheSea wrote:Regardless of what has been implied regarding DW's business practices, if you gain insight, are inspired and/or learn how to improve your health through reading his or any other raw teacher's books, your purchases are worth it. Do not let other people's experiences or opinions get in the way of your growth and healing. For many, DW's books have been extremely helpful and have been a great support in gaining awareness and knowledge in making raw food a positive way of life. I am not supporting or denouncing anyone; I just want to emphasize the importance of knowledge while on this journey. Exposing yourself to as much information on the subject will help you decide what works best for you. It will also help you get through any pitfalls you might experience. peace & joy. On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, at 11:26 AM, rawfood wrote: > Message: 7 > Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:53:56 -0700 (PDT) > gaynell andress <andressgaynell > Re: > > > I agree with your view about the spirituality of taking him down.. > > Renee Char <cyborg565rjc wrote: > I just ordered some of his books from Barnes and Noble where a friend > works. After reading your post I wish I didn't but oh well. Perhaps > you need to discuss with him more thoroughly? Also, vowing to take him > down isn't really healthy for you spiritually. David Wolfe seemed to > me to be a hollywood raw foodie, kinda like Guliano. I'm not raw as > yet, but learning about the movement and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Although it is dishonest(what he was alledgedly accused of).. the purpose is to get out a message to the masses about eating healthier. you cannot reinvent the wheel. That information is passed down from generations. The books he " alledgedly " plagurized are books that I have not read yet or would I have even considered for my reading pleasure. Reading the book natures first law was the book that changed my life for the healthier. I am a struggling rawfoodist. It's a radical book and it is a valuable tool in the earth's healing movement we are all apart of. Don't throw dirt before looking at the big picture.His book(s) have added years on to lives of a few very close friends of mine. I f the man plagurize another authors book,than that is between He, his Attorney and God. I just think that life is too Darn short for the human family to bicker and complain. over petty things when we have a planet to care for. For God's sake he didn't blow up the world trade!!!! Steve <dreammaking2002 wrote: It is well-known within raw food circles that Wolfe's so-called " Sun Food Diet " book is a largely plagiarized book - with entire passages copied almost entirely from other sources. Having been challenged on this, publicly, on numerous occasions, Wolfe steadfastly refuses to pull the book off the market. And continues to make money on it. I honestly can't say why he hasn't been prosecuted for it; nor why the authors' of the words he conveniently borrowed haven't gone after him for compnesatory damages. And, as far as I know, Wolfe has not been convicted of breaking any other laws. Let the buyer beware. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 hi Roksol sista, I would hold on to the book real tight. Greatest book after my bible. All informative books come from other sources and research and experiences. because raw food is as old as Adam and Eve, the knowledge and information contained in the Sun Diet Success System is not new. David Wolfe does a good job of giving credit to whom ever his resource was, and has done a darn good job in bringing the diet to you in a complete balanced way. roksol sista <solsista wrote: wow. i was not aware of this. thanks for informing me. i guess its too late to return the book. what are some other good books to help with the transition? Steve <dreammaking2002 wrote: It is well-known within raw food circles that Wolfe's so-called " Sun Food Diet " book is a largely plagiarized book - with entire passages copied almost entirely from other sources. Having been challenged on this, publicly, on numerous occasions, Wolfe steadfastly refuses to pull the book off the market. And continues to make money on it. I honestly can't say why he hasn't been prosecuted for it; nor why the authors' of the words he conveniently borrowed haven't gone after him for compnesatory damages. And, as far as I know, Wolfe has not been convicted of breaking any other laws. Let the buyer beware. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Regarding: rawfood , Shay Butter <sheabuddah> wrote: > Although it is dishonest(what he was >alledgedly accused of).. the purpose is >to get out a message to the masses about >eating healthier. you cannot reinvent the wheel. " How exactly do you know what was dishonest? I'd truly love to know that. No, you can't reinvent the wheel, but you can create something on your own, in your own way, and in your own words; rather than take direct passages from someone else, put it in " your " book that you put " your " name on, and then profit financially from another's original work. By any definition, that's STEALING! What a joke to think that it's not. And if someone is spreading the message of health, the implication above seems to be (from above), it doesn't matter whom you steal from, whom to lie to, nor whom you cheat; as it's just a matter between " [him], his attorney, and God. " But what about the people robbed, lied to, and cheated from? What about them? Do we ever think of them? And the consequences to them for another's wrongdoing? In my opinion, this is type of thinking has the world (due to the people in it) in the very mess that it's in: thanks to extremely mindless, mentally-passive, and self-centered thinking. That's the opposite of that which is necessary to live a healthy, fully-functioning life; whereby you increasingly see (and live in accordance with) more of the Whole Picture than with less of it. The results speak for themselves. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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