Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hiya Maureen, first I would like to say is contrary to popular belief dogs are not carnivores they are omnivores they have a much longer digestive track than any of the cat family. most of us have seen dogs nibbling on grass or other plants they love the veggies too. I have had one of my dogs for almost 4 years now she was being fed a vegetarian diet for the first year except she got 1 chicken neck at the end of every meal, after careful analysis I found that dogs do not need to have meat if all of the nutrient levels are met and this is easy done on a VEGAN diet the same dog has been a vegan now for 3 years and is happy healthy full of energy (we joke sometimes maybe we should feed her some junk food to slow her down) coat is shinny and she loves the food here is what I feed her it is not 100% raw but 50% is raw and with a little effort I think that could be increased but here is the basic menu feel free to ask me as many questions as you want also the portions are for 2 dogs of approx 25 kilo's each the biscuits could be dried rather than baked then that portion would be raw too The Dog Menu for everyone who asked this is a repost and updated I got my inspiration from 2 main sources one was our local vet who gave us a list and basic diet to follow the other came from a book Vegetarian Dogs www.vegetariandogs.com but in the end I adapted and made my own way this may sound a little hard to do at first but I assure your dog will love you for it ok this is broken down into a few different components first the Vitamins I make my own mix now but you could use a store bought one that is veggie based this would last my 2 dogs probably more than a year it just happens to be the way I find the basic ingredients this is the basic recipe for the vita mix 6 cups powdered Kelp 1 Cup Calcium Carbonate (this can come from bone source be sure to check) 1 Cup Brewers Yeast 1 cup Powdered spirulina 1 cup Celery powder 1 cup dried Garlic 2-3 cups of crushed or powdered Linseed (flaxseed) approx 1 tablespoon a day to a 20 kilo dog (or put extra in the biscuit mix) next the veggie mix I make about 3-6 day supply every time I do this so it makes it a bit easier the veggies are roughly divided into 2 halves the green leafy & the hard root like so green leafy could go like this turnip tops broccoli stems (and flower if ya like) Kale celery beet tops kohl rabi tops Zucchini etc etc.. the roots can go like carrots potatoes sweet potatoes butternut Squash (or pumpkin)depends where ya live beets kohl rabi well you get the idea now by weight make the mix 50/50 (doesn't have to be exact) I use the food processor to chop all this up I also add a bit of corn flower, oats, psyllium husks , crushed flax seed sort of helps soak up the excess moisture then I pack it into air tight containers for the fridge the veggie mix makes up 50% of what my dogs eat now the other half of their meal varies a bit (cause they need a bit of variety too) I use Pasta, Tvp, lentils both brown & red, soy , navy, pinto, black eyed, mung beans, the more variety the better split peas, Brown Rice millets seed poppy seed dried garlic organic Pasta ok receipt 1 8 cups of Beans in total try to make about a third to half lentils 4 cups Brown Rice 2 cups whole millets seed 1 cup Crushed Linseed (flaxseed) 1 cup poppy Seed 3 Tbsp of dried Garlic 3 cups of the above veggie mix (this can be frozen for a short term so I often make a big batch freeze about 2/3rds of it and bring out as needed over the next few weeks) just soak the beans and rice in a pot over night (at least 36 hours) add all the other ingredients cook for about 1 hour then mix this lot 50/50 with the veggie mix and serve you can figure out how much to give with trial and error receipt 2 olive oil in a pan with about 3 tbsp of fresh garlic cook the garlic for a minute or two add the 3 cups of TVP (already pre-soaked for 30 minutes) add 3 cups of Veggie mix cook for about 3-5 minutes mix this 50/50 with the veggie mix and serve (this is closer to raw if not over cooked) receipt 3 boil 1/2 kilo of pasta mix 3 cups of veggie mix 1 cup of crushed linseed just barely cook the pasta maybe 2-3 minutes after it boils don't use too much water the mix this 50/50 with the veggie mix now all of that is their basic dinner I know it sounds a bit hard at first but it really is easy I also make the dogs their own biscuits and let me tell you they love them I tried them out on the neighbours dogs and they love them as well this is a little harder but equally worth it here is my basic receipt 6 cups whole wheat flour 1 cup Craig's super Vita mix (lol) 1 cup crushed linseed 1 cup psyllium Husks 1 cup oat bran 1 cup wheat bran 1 cup each of raw pepitas (pumpkin seeds) Millet, flaked almonds, sesame seeds, sunflower, poppy seeds make sure all the seeds are raw no salt 4 cups rolled oats (I usually buy rolled oats, Rolled barley, Rolled wheat mix it all together and use that) 1 cup almond meal 4 cups Craig now famous Veggie Mix (lol) 1/4 cup peanut oil add about 6-8 cups of water mix together and make the mix workable dough if it is too stick add more flour if it is too dry add more water roll this mixture out about 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick cut into shapes or squares place on pans (you may need to put a little bit of flour on the pan to keep them from sticking) put in the oven at 350F (200 C) for 10-15 minutes or unless kinda crispy around the edges leave in the oven over night so the get harder if it is too wet it will mould like bread so cooking additional time at lower temps can remove the excess moisture and serve away any questions feel free to ask me at cd39 all the best Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 well Jesse, the BARF diet sounds a lot better than feeding them dried or canned food but honestly as a VEGAN I wish not to cause harm to any animal. and would not kill one animal to save another soo... keeping that in mind... they also suggest Breeders follow this recipe well to me the dog breeders (not all) are nothing more than Puppy farms so looking at it from the VEGAN perspective.. the BARF diet just won't do one major flaw is they use beef.. in the wild I doubt a dog would ever ever be able to take down a healthy cow so beef would be rare chicken maybe lamb well not while there is chicken and mice and rabbits around.. also dogs and wolves usually eat the stomach out of the pray first where the Veggies that have just been eaten are so this might suggest taste preference leaning toward more than just meat. my dog that has been Vegan for 3 years now well... we go for walks at least 5 days a week living in Australia well there are a lot of Kangaroo bones around because people think they make great target practice 3 years ago one of her favourite things was to grab the dead rotting carcass chew it roll with it yuck yuck yuck now when she finds a carcass she might have a sniff but she really truly is not interested our other dog is a German Shepard cross, we have had him for 9 months now. he was the same always wanting to eat and roll with the dead. after nine months as a VEGAN well about a week ago I found some old bones so I wanted to see if he still had the taste I picked one up and gave it too him , he took it dropped it and walked away not even interested 9 months ago he would have devoured it and defended it... well I hope all this answers a few questions and if anyone would like to ask me about this matter please feel free to enjoy Awareness Craig Jesse Parris [studio53] Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:59 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] raw dog Checkout the BARF regimen for dogs. http://www.barfworld.com/html/barfworld/about.shtml I just pulled this off google, Jesse - " maureen smith " <maureensgardengrotto <rawfood > Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:22 AM [Raw Food] raw dog> > I am considering feeding my dog a raw vegan diet. Does anyone have experience with this? > Maureen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 12:10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, rawfood writes: I am considering feeding my dog a raw vegan diet. Does anyone have experience with this? Maureen *********************** this is a big mistake as dogs are carnivores --not vegans and they need raw meaty bones organ meat etc. i am pretty much a vegan and i feed my dogs raw meat. i know what is best for me --so i eat it-- but what is best for my dogs is not the same as what is best for me and they are at my mercy so i feed them what is appropriate and it is not a vegan diet. www.rawmeatybones.com is a good site and there is another raw feeding for pets called rawfeeding. ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hi. I also agree about a raw-meat diet for dogs. A dog's DNA is ninrty-nine percent that of a wolf. I buy veggies at the grocery store for me and meat for my dog! ~Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Ruth, nothing could be further from the truth. the truth is dogs are very capable of deriving there nutrients from plant source same as humans maybe they can not do it in the wild , but they haven't lived in the wild for some 10,000-50,000 years. but with our knowledge we can easily provide them with the right diet. my dogs would rather chew a stick than a bone. our border collie is now 6 she has been Vegan for 3 years she truly loves her food. she ignores bones and dead animal we come across in the bush . (Australia is very bad lots of dead animals but that is another story) she would probably eat meat if I gave it to her but what is the point she doesn't need it. and buy discovering the diet she is on I have the clear conscience that no other animal had to suffer to feed her. www.veganpet.com www.vegetariandogs.com if you are Vegan you probably already don't wear leather or use animal products so if you have a choice and you do why not extend that to your animals too dogs and cats do not eat cows, pigs, sheep the animals are too large they might eat calves, piglets, lambs, rabbits, mice, rats, cats, insects they also graze and do eat a fare bit of plant material. last year I feed her some grapes from our grape vine she loved them the following day I went into the back yard and I didn't see her so I walked around the corner and she was picking the grapes by herself, she also eats rose hips , I did find that funny, our roses were all gone and the bright red rose hip had formed they are fairly sweet I guess anyway there she was nibbling at the the hips. my point is the OLD theory that dogs need meat is outdated and rings of television ads. the old ads also use to say dogs love cheese, well where in the wild would they ever find cheese? anyway I have posted some of what I feed my dogs yesterday have a read all the best Craig In a message dated 10/19/2004 12:10:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, rawfood writes: I am considering feeding my dog a raw vegan diet. Does anyone have experience with this? Maureen *********************** this is a big mistake as dogs are carnivores --not vegans and they need raw meaty bones organ meat etc. i am pretty much a vegan and i feed my dogs raw meat. i know what is best for me --so i eat it-- but what is best for my dogs is not the same as what is best for me and they are at my mercy so i feed them what is appropriate and it is not a vegan diet. www.rawmeatybones.com is a good site and there is another raw feeding for pets called rawfeeding. ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 --My German Shepherd has been vegan (but not raw vegan) for over 4 years. I buy Evolution Dog Food from www.vegancats.com. Suzie also enjoys carrots, yams, sweet potatoes, durian, watermelon, papaya, apricots,bok choy, avocados,zucchini,and mangoes raw. I add veggie enzymes to her food. So far her health has been good. Her disposition is great. She is very gentle with my grandson and seems to love all children. We adopted her at age 2 from the local animal shelter. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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