Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees for their cooking clases. While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee for those who can't afford these classes. http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as canada provide it to their residents for free. I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 The classes are expensive but I plan on taking them so I can help people in Wisconsin be introduced to raw food reasonably. Christy <yogafreeze wrote: I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees for their cooking clases. While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee for those who can't afford these classes. http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as canada provide it to their residents for free. I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 i agree. Christy <yogafreeze wrote: I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees for their cooking clases. While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee for those who can't afford these classes. http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as canada provide it to their residents for free. I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 The raw foods class I teach is free, but of course, you would have to live in Dallas to go. I can always send you some of the recipes from my classes, if you would like! -Wendy rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees > for their cooking clases. > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > for those who can't afford these classes. > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I'm in total agreement, and have noticed the same thing with regard to alternative health and spirituality in general. Where I live, yoga (which is a spiritual practice) classes cost $20. A Buddhist retreat costs several hundred. Yet I can go to a church for free! Doesn't make sense! swing > Christy <yogafreeze wrote: I > understand time > is money, but it would be nice if out of the > kindness of their hearts > they would at least offer one class per month for a > reasonable fee > for those who can't afford these classes. The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I know how you feel. I have seen 5 day courses for 2000 dollars. i still really want to do it...but, i can plan carefully, budget and such and take a great trip for my husband and i for half that....speaking of which, we are going to do just that, early december going to chicago...which is obviously the area you are in. to that i say: be thankful that you have a raw restaurant in chicago and that your whole foods actually HAS raw classes....that is amazing. mine has nothing like that. but, in that same thought pattern, i struggle with the costs of raw food overall. i have read so many raw foodists say that it is cheaper to eat raw than to eat meat....yeah, only if you were having filet mignon every night....but, compared to the prepared, preservative-laden, make things nice on a budget diet of middle america...no, it is 3-4 times as expensive. I was writing down some of my thoughts/frustrations on this subject about a week ago b/c i was really struggling with the idea of it...still am....so, here they are (sorry it is so long). Let me know your thoughts: I would say that now I am at about 90-95% raw. Basically, the only reason that I am not 100% is more for reasons of practicality than that of " holding on " to cooked food addictions. For example: nut butters. Whole foods sells the nut butters in bulk but the almond butter (for example) is not raw. Now, I would love to get the raw kind, but the cheapest raw almond butter that i have found is about 15 bucks a pound....that is crazy! Even the roasted at 5.50 a pound is plenty expensive. We use alot of almond butter (my husband esp), and sooooo many recipes call for nut butters. I really don't know how anybody can afford that. It kind of makes me sick actually b/c I think, " what, great health is only for the wealthy? " That is not right, it should not be that way. It should not be soooo expensive to eat things that are not bad for you. I understand that healthy things will cost more than the plasticized stuff they pass off as food. Believe me, my organic produce is much more than what i used to spend on produce. But, some things are just thru the roof and they are such a major part of raw recipes. Ok, in my SAD diet days I always cooked or baked, or whatever. My husband and I were able to have plenty of food, incl convenience foods (which always cost more) for about 300-350 per month. When I became vegetarian/vegan and began buying alot of organic items my food bill jumped up, as I expected it to. Now that we are eating raw, I am spending even more. For just the two of us, I spend at the very minimum 650/month, often more....and I don't even make that many raw entrees/meals...really, very little....just basic stuff and lots of salads. And, my husband really would like to eat more quantity (and frankly should b/c he is getting way too thin)...but, I can't even let him for fear that we will be spending even MORE money on food. Heaven forbid if we ever wanted to have friends over and attempt to " wow " them with a raw food dinner. I would have to take out a loan! I am being somewhat dramatic, but it is a serious concern of mine. There are many things that I don't buy raw, or things I don't make, or ways in which I limit my poor husband's quantity intake b/c we are already past the point of our food budget. Well, that said, I would say that 600 is the maximum of where I would like to be, including being able to buy everything raw and organic and eat well, and have lots of filling food for my hubby and be able to entertain as well. But, that just does not seem feasible, and the unfeasability of it all just seems unjust and immoral practically! Like, we are all doomed to eat crap, or not pay our mortgage. I mean, no, I don't make a six figure salary, but, between my husband and I, we take home a decent amount....what I would consider middle class. And, if the middle class can't afford to live decently and healthfully then something is just plain wrong! I have even bemoaned this fact (and, yes, lately it has caused me much stress)to God saying, OK, this is how you designed us to eat, this is what you gave us in nature....and, here I am trying and trying....but it is becoming cost prohibitive! How can you show me the way and then give me a dead-end? Maybe I lack faith. So, that is how I feel right now, that is my struggle...which is in some ways more frustrating than having a craving for cooked food...b/c it is completely out of my control. So, sorry, didn't mean for it to get all whiney and negative.....any thoughts or feedback or resources or anything????? kristi rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees > for their cooking clases. > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > for those who can't afford these classes. > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 You can get the same information from raw food books. You're not missing anything.... In fact, all you have to do is do a search for raw food on the Internet and get most all the information you need for free. :-) So don't be thinking it is a shame...if you think its overpriced then it probably is....experiment yourself and then start offering some over priced classes of your own! :-) It is common sense, a food combination chart (which is on the Internet for free), your taste buds, and experimenting but definitely not rocket science. ---- Christy 11/19/04 07:39:30 rawfood [Raw Food] Excess Fees for Raw Food Classes!!! I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees for their cooking clases. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 ---- Christy 11/19/04 07:39:30 rawfood [Raw Food] Excess Fees for Raw Food Classes!!! The health care system in the US is not what you imagine. It would be better described as the drug or dis-ease care system. The more wealth you have only gets you more abundance of it. Other countries make the same dis-ease or drug care system available on the cheap. Getting help that improves your health is freely available on the Internet or at cost in books. You've just been hypnotized into believing you have to pay for everything that is worth anything. It just isn't so.... There are folks with money that are able to pay for classes and so that creates a market. It isn't wrong for raw food folks to fill that demand. America is a country based on free enterprise. Just because there is something out there for sale doesn't mean you can't get the same something for free or at a much reduced rate. You just have to do the work to find it for yourself and stop depending on others to give it to you. Best wishes on your journey to better health...the first clue is to stay away from the SYSTEM! <snip> http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as canada provide it to their residents for free. I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Wendy, I would love to see some of your raw recipes. Kudos for teaching the class for free. Please post the ones that are very popular with your students. Gratefully, Maureen Discover all that’s new in My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 yes please, Wendy send me the recipes! thanks! Wendy <wendyloven wrote: The raw foods class I teach is free, but of course, you would have to live in Dallas to go. I can always send you some of the recipes from my classes, if you would like! -Wendy rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees > for their cooking clases. > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 for > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people will > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand time > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their hearts > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > for those who can't afford these classes. > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Hi Wendy, what's funny is that a round trip ticket to dallas and hotel room in at motel six to attend your class would probably be cheaper than the 2 day class I mentioned earlier. lol Yes I would love to see some of your recipes. Do you have a website? If not, my email address is yogafreeze :)--- In rawfood , " Wendy " <wendyloven@h...> wrote: > > > The raw foods class I teach is free, but of course, you would have to > live in Dallas to go. I can always send you some of the recipes from > my classes, if you would like! > > -Wendy > > rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge > to > > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive > fees > > for their cooking clases. > > > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 > for > > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people > will > > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand > time > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their > hearts > > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of > this > > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Hi Christy(we have the same name different spelling) The problem with me is that I am new to this lifestyle and most of meals are the same boring basic meals because I don't know how to prepare any raw food recipes. I'm getting worried because the boredom and lack of choices is making it more difficult for me to stay on track. Not to mention, when family or friends ask me for examples of raw food meals, I can't come up with any ideas. I'm sure if I had suggestions when a few people asked me they would have been more open to trying this healthier lifestyle. I know there are better meals out here, but the one's I've come across are too complicated and involve a lot of fancy preparation which only adds to the confusion. All I want are a few simple tasty appetizing meals. Ahhhh!!! Is that too much to ask. --- In rawfood , " Kristi " <kristilynjoy@s...> wrote: > > > I know how you feel. I have seen 5 day courses for 2000 dollars. i > still really want to do it...but, i can plan carefully, budget and > such and take a great trip for my husband and i for half > that....speaking of which, we are going to do just that, early > december going to chicago...which is obviously the area you are in. > to that i say: be thankful that you have a raw restaurant in > chicago and that your whole foods actually HAS raw classes....that > is amazing. mine has nothing like that. > > but, in that same thought pattern, i struggle with the costs of raw > food overall. i have read so many raw foodists say that it is > cheaper to eat raw than to eat meat....yeah, only if you were having > filet mignon every night....but, compared to the prepared, > preservative-laden, make things nice on a budget diet of middle > america...no, it is 3-4 times as expensive. I was writing down some > of my thoughts/frustrations on this subject about a week ago b/c i > was really struggling with the idea of it...still am....so, here > they are (sorry it is so long). Let me know your thoughts: > > I would say that now I am at about 90-95% raw. Basically, the only > reason that I am not 100% is more for reasons of practicality than > that of " holding on " to cooked food addictions. For example: nut > butters. Whole foods sells the nut butters in bulk but the almond > butter (for example) is not raw. Now, I would love to get the raw > kind, but the cheapest raw almond butter that i have found is about > 15 bucks a pound....that is crazy! Even the roasted at 5.50 a pound > is plenty expensive. We use alot of almond butter (my husband esp), > and sooooo many recipes call for nut butters. I really don't know > how anybody can afford that. It kind of makes me sick actually b/c > I think, " what, great health is only for the wealthy? " That is not > right, it should not be that way. It should not be soooo expensive > to eat things that are not bad for you. I understand that healthy > things will cost more than the plasticized stuff they pass off as > food. Believe me, my organic produce is much more than what i used > to spend on produce. But, some things are just thru the roof and > they are such a major part of raw recipes. > > Ok, in my SAD diet days I always cooked or baked, or whatever. My > husband and I were able to have plenty of food, incl convenience > foods (which always cost more) for about 300-350 per month. When I > became vegetarian/vegan and began buying alot of organic items my > food bill jumped up, as I expected it to. Now that we are eating > raw, I am spending even more. For just the two of us, I spend at > the very minimum 650/month, often more....and I don't even make that > many raw entrees/meals...really, very little....just basic stuff and > lots of salads. And, my husband really would like to eat more > quantity (and frankly should b/c he is getting way too thin)...but, > I can't even let him for fear that we will be spending even MORE > money on food. Heaven forbid if we ever wanted to have friends > over and attempt to " wow " them with a raw food dinner. I would have > to take out a loan! > > I am being somewhat dramatic, but it is a serious concern of mine. > There are many things that I don't buy raw, or things I don't make, > or ways in which I limit my poor husband's quantity intake b/c we > are already past the point of our food budget. Well, that said, I > would say that 600 is the maximum of where I would like to be, > including being able to buy everything raw and organic and eat well, > and have lots of filling food for my hubby and be able to entertain > as well. But, that just does not seem feasible, and the > unfeasability of it all just seems unjust and immoral practically! > Like, we are all doomed to eat crap, or not pay our mortgage. I > mean, no, I don't make a six figure salary, but, between my husband > and I, we take home a decent amount....what I would consider middle > class. And, if the middle class can't afford to live decently and > healthfully then something is just plain wrong! > > I have even bemoaned this fact (and, yes, lately it has caused me > much stress)to God saying, OK, this is how you designed us to eat, > this is what you gave us in nature....and, here I am trying and > trying....but it is becoming cost prohibitive! How can you show me > the way and then give me a dead-end? Maybe I lack faith. > > So, that is how I feel right now, that is my struggle...which is in > some ways more frustrating than having a craving for cooked > food...b/c it is completely out of my control. So, sorry, didn't > mean for it to get all whiney and negative.....any thoughts or > feedback or resources or anything????? > > kristi > > > rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge > to > > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive > fees > > for their cooking clases. > > > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 > for > > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people > will > > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand > time > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their > hearts > > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of > this > > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 I've had that problem with finding reasonably priced yoga and meditation classes also. Fortunately, there is a kind giving woman who has been practicing yoga and meditation for years who offers free classes for both at local libraries and social centers twice a week. Otherwise, I would have never been able to afford the classes. I think everyone who teaches classes that can help benefit others on a spritual and health level should at least offer a few classes a month on a sliding fee scale or for free to help those less fortunate. I understand that the media, entertainment, sports, ect could care less about helping those less fortunate, but I had hoped more people in the raw food community and spiritual arenas would feel differently. rawfood , swing bolder <swingbolder> wrote: > > I'm in total agreement, and have noticed the same > thing with regard to alternative health and > spirituality in general. Where I live, yoga (which is > a spiritual practice) classes cost $20. A Buddhist > retreat costs several hundred. Yet I can go to a > church for free! Doesn't make sense! > > > swing > > > Christy <yogafreeze> wrote: > I > > understand time > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the > > kindness of their hearts > > they would at least offer one class per month for a > > reasonable fee > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 I admit that the U.S. health care system is mostly concerned with treating symptoms whether than the cause of disease. However, when it comes to needing medical care, especially emergency care, those who are poor or on fixed incomes do not receive the best treatment. That has nothing to do with hypnosis. It is fact! OTHER COUNTRIES PROVIDE FOR FREE WHAT THE U.S. CHARGES AND ARM AND A LEG FOR. I work in a hospital and have seen people struggle to make it to the emergency room almost close to death, stabalized just enough to be transferred to the nearest public hospital that will see people with no insurance or low income. Those hospitals are understaffed and have more patients than they can handle. Many people almost die after being transferred simply because they can't afford to pay monthly insurance premiums. I've seen people deal with worsening symptoms, pain, and health issues, because they could not afford meds that they needed. This is not hypnosis and I think it is rather insulting for you to imply so. Concerning the raw food classes. I am aware of raw food cookbooks and have searched the internet. Yes there are many recipes available. Most that I have came across require foods I can not pronounced or have never heard of, and the recipes are more fancy gourmet type suggestions. I only want simple, raw food recipes that are tasty, functional, and affordable. Yes, eventually I will be able to prepare raw meals with the best of them, but for someone who has never prepared these type of foods before, it will not happen over night, it will take time. A raw food hands on cooking class would speed up the process. But, as always the wealthy, or those who can afford to pay for " convenience " , which is what it is, are the only people who will benefit from the classes. Most people probably do not persist with this lifestyle because it seems too complicated to learn how to prepare functional and tasty meals. Eventually when I learn how to make quite a few meals, and when I do, I plan to reserve a room at the local social center or library(ours has cooking classes) and share them with others for free. I see no reason why someone who is charging $1000 to $3000 for 2 and 3 day classes, could not find the time to offer at least one class per month for a reasonable fee in Illinois. I challenge you to find a class like that here. I have looked far and beyond. Whole foods has recently started a class that has limited enrollment(8-10 people) and teaches holiday dishes and desserts. What I'm seeking is a basic class that explains how different foods can be prepared and combined to form meals, so that I can leave and work on recipes on my own, or at least leave with at least 5-10 meal ideas under my belt. Last but not least. As someone who does not know me personally, or has taken the time to ask me specific questions, I think it is rather presumptuous of you to tell me to " stop depending on others " . If I were depending on others I would never have chosen this lifestyle and made it this far. My thoughts have not changed on this subject. Obviously the classes are needed or they wouldn't fill so quickly. I'm sure you could learn to paint your entire home, repair minor problems with your car, cut and style your own hair, ect ect, but that doesn't mean you have never looked for a more productive way to perform these tasks to make it easier in the process if you must do them. That has nothing to do with depending on someone else. It is a shame that people with knowledge are too selfish to share and offer this knowledge at a reasonable price, or that others, like yourself, feel it is a weakness, or dependency issue to ask for help. There is something very wrong with that mentality. We all started out seeking help, that is how we came upon this lifestyle. We were not born knowing raw foodism, and we visit the groups to ask questions. There is nothing dependent about being open to learn grow and ask for help. Thank you for the website link I will visit it and hopefully it has recipes that are functional with ingrediants I can purchase at the local health food store, or regular grocery store. rawfood , " rawsomeone " <rawsomeone@b...> wrote: > > > > ---- > > Christy > 11/19/04 07:39:30 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Excess Fees for Raw Food Classes!!! > > The health care system in the US is not what you imagine. It would > be better described as the drug or dis-ease care system. The more wealth > you have only gets you more abundance of it. Other countries make the same > dis-ease or drug care system available on the cheap. > > Getting help that improves your health is freely available on the Internet > or at cost in books. You've > just been hypnotized into believing you have to pay for everything that is > worth > anything. It just isn't so.... > > There are folks with money that are able to pay for classes and so that > creates a market. It > isn't wrong for raw food folks to fill that demand. America is a country > based on free enterprise. > Just because there is something out there for sale doesn't mean you can't > get the same > something for free or at a much reduced rate. You just have to do the work > to find it for > yourself and stop depending on others to give it to you. > > Best wishes on your journey to better health...the first clue is to stay > away from the SYSTEM! > > <snip> > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of this > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Rawesome, You really need to be more aware of how you speak to people. Telling me it is not " rocket science " implies that you're calling me less than intelligent. You posted one LONG message voicing your opinion, calling me dependent and insinuating I'm lazy, and followed that with yet another subtle insulting message. Is your purpose to help or belittle? As I told you previously(I don't see that message so I'm sending this one privately as well), ask questions before you assume. I said it was a shame that people charge such outrageious fees for 2 day raw food classes, I didn't say I have not searched the internet or prepared my own meals. I have not been living the raw food lifestyle for over six months just eating lettuce. It's not always what you say, but how you say it. In the future, if your replies to my messages will be of this tone, do not bother responding, because you will be ignored without reply. I didn't express my thoughts to be insulted. I am entitled to my opinion just as you are. Your opinion does not have to insult my character as being lazy, less than intelligent, ect, based on assumptions you have in your head about me. rawfood , " rawsomeone " <rawsomeone@b...> wrote: > > > You can get the same information from raw food books. You're not missing > anything.... > In fact, all you have to do is do a search for raw food on the Internet and > get most all > the information you need for free. :-) > > So don't be thinking it is a shame...if you think its overpriced then it > probably is....experiment > yourself and then start offering some over priced classes of your own! :-) > It is common sense, > a food combination chart (which is on the Internet for free), your taste > buds, and experimenting > but definitely not rocket science. > > ---- > > Christy > 11/19/04 07:39:30 > rawfood > [Raw Food] Excess Fees for Raw Food Classes!!! > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge to > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive fees > for their cooking clases. > > <snip> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Hi Wendy, where in Dallas do you teach your raw foods classes? Diane - " Wendy " <wendyloven <rawfood > Friday, November 19, 2004 9:02 AM [Raw Food] Re: Excess Fees for Raw Food Classes!!! > > > > The raw foods class I teach is free, but of course, you would have to > live in Dallas to go. I can always send you some of the recipes from > my classes, if you would like! > > -Wendy > > rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge > to > > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive > fees > > for their cooking clases. > > > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 > for > > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people > will > > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand > time > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their > hearts > > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of > this > > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 It just doesnt seem to make sense that simple, healthy foods are more expensive does it? I mean, an apple probably costs about the same as a candy bar on average. And yet the candy bar required a relatively large amount of ingredients, which all had to be derived separately, and then put together by various people. It then had to be packaged and sent out. So why is it cheaper? And why is inorganic food so much cheaper than organic food? Well, its not because organic food is more expensive top produce. Its less expensive, because theres less waste and no purchasing of pesticides, etc. Its also not only because theres less demand, tho at this point that is at least one factor. But the major reason is because agribusiness corporations are paid to produce processed and/or sprayed products. The government PAYS them to make unhealthy food. Not only this, but many of their costs are externalized. In other words, many things they should have to pay for, they dont. Sending pollution into a nearby river is a good example. Thats waste material they would have to dispose of somehow, but instead of having to pay to do it they can just send it into the river. Cost externalization and government subsidization are two major reasons why raw organic food is so expensive. JasonL rawfood , " Kristi " <kristilynjoy@s...> wrote: > > > I know how you feel. I have seen 5 day courses for 2000 dollars. i > still really want to do it...but, i can plan carefully, budget and > such and take a great trip for my husband and i for half > that....speaking of which, we are going to do just that, early > december going to chicago...which is obviously the area you are in. > to that i say: be thankful that you have a raw restaurant in > chicago and that your whole foods actually HAS raw classes....that > is amazing. mine has nothing like that. > > but, in that same thought pattern, i struggle with the costs of raw > food overall. i have read so many raw foodists say that it is > cheaper to eat raw than to eat meat....yeah, only if you were having > filet mignon every night....but, compared to the prepared, > preservative-laden, make things nice on a budget diet of middle > america...no, it is 3-4 times as expensive. I was writing down some > of my thoughts/frustrations on this subject about a week ago b/c i > was really struggling with the idea of it...still am....so, here > they are (sorry it is so long). Let me know your thoughts: > > I would say that now I am at about 90-95% raw. Basically, the only > reason that I am not 100% is more for reasons of practicality than > that of " holding on " to cooked food addictions. For example: nut > butters. Whole foods sells the nut butters in bulk but the almond > butter (for example) is not raw. Now, I would love to get the raw > kind, but the cheapest raw almond butter that i have found is about > 15 bucks a pound....that is crazy! Even the roasted at 5.50 a pound > is plenty expensive. We use alot of almond butter (my husband esp), > and sooooo many recipes call for nut butters. I really don't know > how anybody can afford that. It kind of makes me sick actually b/c > I think, " what, great health is only for the wealthy? " That is not > right, it should not be that way. It should not be soooo expensive > to eat things that are not bad for you. I understand that healthy > things will cost more than the plasticized stuff they pass off as > food. Believe me, my organic produce is much more than what i used > to spend on produce. But, some things are just thru the roof and > they are such a major part of raw recipes. > > Ok, in my SAD diet days I always cooked or baked, or whatever. My > husband and I were able to have plenty of food, incl convenience > foods (which always cost more) for about 300-350 per month. When I > became vegetarian/vegan and began buying alot of organic items my > food bill jumped up, as I expected it to. Now that we are eating > raw, I am spending even more. For just the two of us, I spend at > the very minimum 650/month, often more....and I don't even make that > many raw entrees/meals...really, very little....just basic stuff and > lots of salads. And, my husband really would like to eat more > quantity (and frankly should b/c he is getting way too thin)...but, > I can't even let him for fear that we will be spending even MORE > money on food. Heaven forbid if we ever wanted to have friends > over and attempt to " wow " them with a raw food dinner. I would have > to take out a loan! > > I am being somewhat dramatic, but it is a serious concern of mine. > There are many things that I don't buy raw, or things I don't make, > or ways in which I limit my poor husband's quantity intake b/c we > are already past the point of our food budget. Well, that said, I > would say that 600 is the maximum of where I would like to be, > including being able to buy everything raw and organic and eat well, > and have lots of filling food for my hubby and be able to entertain > as well. But, that just does not seem feasible, and the > unfeasability of it all just seems unjust and immoral practically! > Like, we are all doomed to eat crap, or not pay our mortgage. I > mean, no, I don't make a six figure salary, but, between my husband > and I, we take home a decent amount....what I would consider middle > class. And, if the middle class can't afford to live decently and > healthfully then something is just plain wrong! > > I have even bemoaned this fact (and, yes, lately it has caused me > much stress)to God saying, OK, this is how you designed us to eat, > this is what you gave us in nature....and, here I am trying and > trying....but it is becoming cost prohibitive! How can you show me > the way and then give me a dead-end? Maybe I lack faith. > > So, that is how I feel right now, that is my struggle...which is in > some ways more frustrating than having a craving for cooked > food...b/c it is completely out of my control. So, sorry, didn't > mean for it to get all whiney and negative.....any thoughts or > feedback or resources or anything????? > > kristi > > > rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the knowledge > to > > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive > fees > > for their cooking clases. > > > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 > for > > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people > will > > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand > time > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their > hearts > > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable fee > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that improves > > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such as > > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of > this > > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 Excellent points Jason. Not to mention that over the years of eating this unhealthy stuff tons of other businesses such as the medical community, weight loss doctors, fast food companies, ect ect, make big bucks from those addicted to these processed foods. It really is all about economics.rawfood , " Jason L " <fractalbuddha> wrote: > > > It just doesnt seem to make sense that simple, healthy foods are > more expensive does it? I mean, an apple probably costs about the > same as a candy bar on average. And yet the candy bar required a > relatively large amount of ingredients, which all had to be derived > separately, and then put together by various people. It then had to > be packaged and sent out. So why is it cheaper? > > And why is inorganic food so much cheaper than organic food? Well, > its not because organic food is more expensive top produce. Its less > expensive, because theres less waste and no purchasing of > pesticides, etc. Its also not only because theres less demand, tho > at this point that is at least one factor. But the major reason is > because agribusiness corporations are paid to produce processed > and/or sprayed products. The government PAYS them to make unhealthy > food. > > Not only this, but many of their costs are externalized. In other > words, many things they should have to pay for, they dont. Sending > pollution into a nearby river is a good example. Thats waste > material they would have to dispose of somehow, but instead of > having to pay to do it they can just send it into the river. > > Cost externalization and government subsidization are two major > reasons why raw organic food is so expensive. > > JasonL > > > rawfood , " Kristi " <kristilynjoy@s...> wrote: > > > > > > I know how you feel. I have seen 5 day courses for 2000 dollars. > i > > still really want to do it...but, i can plan carefully, budget and > > such and take a great trip for my husband and i for half > > that....speaking of which, we are going to do just that, early > > december going to chicago...which is obviously the area you are > in. > > to that i say: be thankful that you have a raw restaurant in > > chicago and that your whole foods actually HAS raw classes....that > > is amazing. mine has nothing like that. > > > > but, in that same thought pattern, i struggle with the costs of > raw > > food overall. i have read so many raw foodists say that it is > > cheaper to eat raw than to eat meat....yeah, only if you were > having > > filet mignon every night....but, compared to the prepared, > > preservative-laden, make things nice on a budget diet of middle > > america...no, it is 3-4 times as expensive. I was writing down > some > > of my thoughts/frustrations on this subject about a week ago b/c i > > was really struggling with the idea of it...still am....so, here > > they are (sorry it is so long). Let me know your thoughts: > > > > I would say that now I am at about 90-95% raw. Basically, the > only > > reason that I am not 100% is more for reasons of practicality than > > that of " holding on " to cooked food addictions. For example: nut > > butters. Whole foods sells the nut butters in bulk but the almond > > butter (for example) is not raw. Now, I would love to get the raw > > kind, but the cheapest raw almond butter that i have found is > about > > 15 bucks a pound....that is crazy! Even the roasted at 5.50 a > pound > > is plenty expensive. We use alot of almond butter (my husband > esp), > > and sooooo many recipes call for nut butters. I really don't know > > how anybody can afford that. It kind of makes me sick actually > b/c > > I think, " what, great health is only for the wealthy? " That is > not > > right, it should not be that way. It should not be soooo > expensive > > to eat things that are not bad for you. I understand that healthy > > things will cost more than the plasticized stuff they pass off as > > food. Believe me, my organic produce is much more than what i > used > > to spend on produce. But, some things are just thru the roof and > > they are such a major part of raw recipes. > > > > Ok, in my SAD diet days I always cooked or baked, or whatever. My > > husband and I were able to have plenty of food, incl convenience > > foods (which always cost more) for about 300-350 per month. When > I > > became vegetarian/vegan and began buying alot of organic items my > > food bill jumped up, as I expected it to. Now that we are eating > > raw, I am spending even more. For just the two of us, I spend at > > the very minimum 650/month, often more....and I don't even make > that > > many raw entrees/meals...really, very little....just basic stuff > and > > lots of salads. And, my husband really would like to eat more > > quantity (and frankly should b/c he is getting way too > thin)...but, > > I can't even let him for fear that we will be spending even MORE > > money on food. Heaven forbid if we ever wanted to have friends > > over and attempt to " wow " them with a raw food dinner. I would > have > > to take out a loan! > > > > I am being somewhat dramatic, but it is a serious concern of > mine. > > There are many things that I don't buy raw, or things I don't > make, > > or ways in which I limit my poor husband's quantity intake b/c we > > are already past the point of our food budget. Well, that said, I > > would say that 600 is the maximum of where I would like to be, > > including being able to buy everything raw and organic and eat > well, > > and have lots of filling food for my hubby and be able to > entertain > > as well. But, that just does not seem feasible, and the > > unfeasability of it all just seems unjust and immoral > practically! > > Like, we are all doomed to eat crap, or not pay our mortgage. I > > mean, no, I don't make a six figure salary, but, between my > husband > > and I, we take home a decent amount....what I would consider > middle > > class. And, if the middle class can't afford to live decently and > > healthfully then something is just plain wrong! > > > > I have even bemoaned this fact (and, yes, lately it has caused me > > much stress)to God saying, OK, this is how you designed us to eat, > > this is what you gave us in nature....and, here I am trying and > > trying....but it is becoming cost prohibitive! How can you show > me > > the way and then give me a dead-end? Maybe I lack faith. > > > > So, that is how I feel right now, that is my struggle...which is > in > > some ways more frustrating than having a craving for cooked > > food...b/c it is completely out of my control. So, sorry, didn't > > mean for it to get all whiney and negative.....any thoughts or > > feedback or resources or anything????? > > > > kristi > > > > > > rawfood , " Christy " <yogafreeze> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it's a shame that there are people who have the > knowledge > > to > > > teach others how to prepare raw food, choose to charge excessive > > fees > > > for their cooking clases. > > > > > > While browsing I came across one website that charges over $1000 > > for > > > a 2-3 day class. This almost guarantees that only wealthy people > > will > > > have access to this knowledge of food preparation. I understand > > time > > > is money, but it would be nice if out of the kindness of their > > hearts > > > they would at least offer one class per month for a reasonable > fee > > > for those who can't afford these classes. > > > > > > http://www.raw-foodcuisine.com/calendar.htm > > > > > > In this country if you are not wealthy, getting help that > improves > > > your help is rarely available. For instance, the U.S. changes > > > extremely high fees for medical care, yet other countries such > as > > > canada provide it to their residents for free. > > > > > > I guess the more experienced raw foodists are taking advante of > > this > > > monetary greed mentality. just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Jason wrote: > It just doesnt seem to make sense that simple, healthy foods are more expensive does it? It doesn't make intuitive sense, but from an economic POV, it does make sense. >So why is it (candy bar) cheaper(than an apple)? a) Federal price supports on sugar, and dairy products. b) Certification for " organically grown " has some very high hidden costs. [Three years of testing for non-organics before the " organically grown " label can be applied. Testing three places per acre, for the entire farm, every year, at $250+ per test adds up pretty fast.(That's what one organic farmer told me his tests cost.) Higher labour costs than for " factory farming " . Then there is the matter of scale. Organic farms hit peak efficency at a much smaller size, than factory farms do. > Well, its not because organic food is more expensive top produce. The cost of testing for " organically grown " wipes out all the savaings from not applying pesticides, etc. >Its also not only because there is less demand, tho at this point that is at least one factor. Demand for organic food is growing. The major grocery chains have found that organic fruit and vegetables is one of their centers where profit is going up. > Not only this, but many of their costs are externalized. " Factory farms " follow the example of industry, and get rid of things by the apparantly cheapest method/way available. Which is why factory farms are responsible for more water pollution than heavy industry is. Now, if the factory farms were charged at a rate of say, $10^6 per acre to clean up the water, we'd see some dramatic changes in policy. [That figure is about how much it costs to clean up one acre of ground contaminated by heavy industry.] xan jonathon -- Monolingualism is a curable disease. Carlos Fuentes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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