seasalt

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On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:37:11PM -0800, Bob & Breezi wrote:

>

> that I believe to be truth for me. What I am saying is that we get all the

> vitamins and minerals we need from plant life and I don't feel we need to

> eat dried sea water. I have never heard that " we came from the sea " . I

> guess if you believe that you are a descendent from a sea creature then that

> is your choice. I personally do not believe I came from the sea and my

> evidence is the Bible (but we are not here to discuss religion). When I eat

 

I think coming from the sea and being created by God are just two beliefs

I'm really just trying to say that we can only believe, both sides require

faith we were not there and didn't see it and there are a lot of clues

but there are a lot of wholes, too

 

> any type of salt other that the sodium from plant life I am so puffed up the

> next day my hands and feet are painful. So, I guess to each his own. I just

> think that anyone starting out trying to learn about the raw food lifestyle

> should be encouraged to read as much as possible and do what works best for

> their bodies.

 

wow that sounds serious

 

have you ever had you vitamin b12 level checked? to me (I'm not a doctor

but have read a lot on this specific area) that sounds symptomatic of a

b12 deficiency

 

Maybe the salt some how triggers it, but have some salt on your food shouldn't

cause those reactions in a health person

 

I would seriously consider having your b12 levels checked. B12 deficiencies

can cause sever nerve damage if left undelt with.

 

do you supplement b12 or have any source of it in your diet other than

sea veggies (which dont' have b12 but something that appears to be like b12 and

actually interferes with b12 absorbtion, from what I have studied)

[Guest guest]

I wrote:

> When I eat any type of salt other that the sodium from plant life I am so

puffed up the

> next day my hands and feet are painful. So, I guess to each his own. I

just

> think that anyone starting out trying to learn about the raw food

lifestyle

> should be encouraged to read as much as possible and do what works best

for

> their bodies.

 

John wrote:

 

< wow that sounds serious >

 

I am replying: Yes!!!!! it is serious. It means salt to me and a lot of

other people is poison! But because I grew up on the SAD diet I still get

cravings for salty foods. When I choose to listen to my taste bud memories

and not my brain and eat salty foods I pay the price. This does not mean

there is something seriously wrong with me....it means my body is doing what

is has to to protect me. When I eat a healthy diet I have no ill effects.

 

John wrote:

 

< some salt on your food shouldn't

cause those reactions in a health person >

 

I reply: on the contrary John, salt is toxic to my system and this is

exactly how a healthy body responds to poison.

 

John wrote:

 

< I would seriously consider having your b12 levels checked. B12

deficiencies

can cause sever nerve damage if left undelt with.

 

do you supplement b12 or have any source of it in your diet other than

sea veggies (which dont' have b12 but something that appears to be like b12

and

actually interferes with b12 absorbtion, from what I have studied) >

 

I reply: I don't believe in medical tests anymore so I would not have the

B12 test done anyway. B12 is as big of an issue as salt and grain and the

list goes on.

But to answer your question I do take a B12 about twice a year for now (I'm

still researching it).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There is NO game plan for eating raw that is a template for everyone else.

When you get to the point where you think everyone needs salt because you do

then you've stepped outside of the original concept. There is so much

against eating salt as well as there is for it, so I guess common sense

would be to drop it for a while and see how you feel and how your body

reacts. Next thing you are going to tell me is that you actually need to eat

food to live... but before you say yes, then check out the whole Breatherian

movement.

 

Personally, I think I get enough v & m from veggies and feel dried out with

salt. It's history is one of a flavor enhancer just as sugar was at one

point. Now sugar and salt are so much a part of the Standard American Diet

that most don't even question it anymore. To me, sugar and salt is like the

protein myth that the meat industry created: it's so prevalent in EVERYTHING

that it's just accepted. That's the corporation spin.

Which reminds me, I just finished a great audiobook I recommend, " Fast Food

Nation. " Real scary what corporations are willing to do for money.

 

Jesse

Connecticut

 

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" Bob & Breezi " <bobandbreezi

<rawfood >

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:37 PM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: seasalt

> Tev wrote:

> < Living organisms need sodium chloride for body

> functions. We are sodium chloride life forms. We came

> from the sea. Our bodies carry the sea within

> themselves. If you have any evidence showing

> otherwise, I should like to see it.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, thank you Jesse. Very well put and thanks for the mention of the

book.

 

 

 

Jesse Parris <studio53 wrote:

There is NO game plan for eating raw that is a template for everyone else.

 

 

Good Health to You

Elaine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What about Celtic Salt. It is not sea salt, nor is it Morton's.

 

 

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rawfood

11/30/04 16:41:56

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Re: seasalt

 

Hi Tev,

 

Just my 2 cents on what I have read about salt & sodium.......our bodies

need the organic sodium we get from plant life.......not sodium chloride

(table/sea salt). There IS a big difference. I would hope that our new raw

friends would check into this further. Ruth said in her post of Sunday 11-28

that you can find this information in a book called The Salt Conspiracy. Dr

Doug Graham has good info on sodium. The information that is written about

sea salt being good for you is published by the sea salt companies...duh!

Just like the meat and dairy industries promoting that we can only get

quality protein and calcium from meat and dairy.

Breezi

 

_____

 

tev treowlufu [coac2002]

Monday, November 29, 2004 3:44 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: seasalt

 

 

 

Iron is toxic to our bodies.

Do we need iron? Yes.

 

The continued denouncing of salt as bad

by raw foodists is nonsense.

 

The human body needs salt. In fact, cells use

salt to unwind proteins during cellular processes such

as cell reproduction. Salt is used for many other

functions, as well.

 

It is toxic or poisonous when it is over consumed.

 

Let's stop the spread of falsehoods.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

--- coya4321 wrote:

 

>

>

> i have read and believe that table salt and seasalt

> are toxic to our body.

> a good read is a book called the salt conspiracy.

> ruth

 

 

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 3:24:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rawfood writes:

What about Celtic Salt. It is not sea salt, nor is it Morton's.

**********************

it also isnt natural--it takes too much human interferance to make it a

product. the only reason salt was used to begin with was as a perservative when

we

didnt have fridges. if you stick as close to nature as possible you are left

with fruits and veggies which take very little human interference to make it

edible.

ruth

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Are you referring to Celtic Sea Salt. If so..that is sea salt.

 

rawfood , " Essentially Sasha " <sasha@9...>

wrote:

>

> What about Celtic Salt. It is not sea salt, nor is it Morton's.

this message have been removed]

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Jesse et al:

 

Look, I am the last person to tell another that they

have to eat salt. I am simply stating my personal

beliefs about this amazing compound, that I have

garnered from study; and in response to the statement

that " salt is a poison. " Oxygen is a poison. Would you

agree?

 

Now, I am, however, going to continue making such

claims about salt if I continue to see people making a

claim that it is poison. Just about any substance can

become a poison. Even water. I think we need to be

more careful about the descriptives we use to describe

nutritional processes. Salt poisoning does occur. It

can be poisonous (toxic), but it is not a poison.

 

OTOH, the " original concept " concerning the metabolic

pathways invovles salt in just about every biochemical

transaction. Salt is, in my opinion, a chemical

miracle. Study it and you'll see what I mean.

 

BTW, I know breatharians and am acquainted with a

sungazer who hasn't eaten in 7 years.

 

If you think salt is a conspiracy, then I suggest you

read: Salt: A World History, by Mark Kurlansky. If you

believe there is a conspiracy, then it is advantageous

to know that the evidence for the conspiracy not only

goes back 10,000 years to Jericho, but also that

animals are invovled in the conspiratorial propaganda

too.

 

If you had studied the history of salt, you would know

that the original use of salt was as a food

preservative. Specifically, to preserve meats and

vegetables. Salt keeps tissue from degrading. In fact,

that is why salt is so prevalent and necessary, in

mine and others' opinions, in and to our bodies. Not

only does it actively function in cellular transport,

but it also functions astringently in the lymph

system.

 

Both the sodium and the chloride are used in the body;

individually and as a solution.

 

Once again, I am not trying to brow beat anyone. Don't

use salt if you believe it is harmful to you; but

don't tell me it is a poison. I will respond with more

evidence if you wish me to.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

 

--- Jesse Parris <studio53 wrote:

 

>

> There is NO game plan for eating raw that is a

> template for everyone else.

> When you get to the point where you think everyone

> needs salt because you do

> then you've stepped outside of the original concept.

> There is so much

> against eating salt as well as there is for it, so I

> guess common sense

> would be to drop it for a while and see how you feel

> and how your body

> reacts. Next thing you are going to tell me is that

> you actually need to eat

> food to live... but before you say yes, then check

> out the whole Breatherian

> movement.

>

> Personally, I think I get enough v & m from veggies

> and feel dried out with

> salt. It's history is one of a flavor enhancer just

> as sugar was at one

> point. Now sugar and salt are so much a part of the

> Standard American Diet

> that most don't even question it anymore. To me,

> sugar and salt is like the

> protein myth that the meat industry created: it's so

> prevalent in EVERYTHING

> that it's just accepted. That's the corporation

> spin.

> Which reminds me, I just finished a great audiobook

> I recommend, " Fast Food

> Nation. " Real scary what corporations are willing to

> do for money.

>

> Jesse

> Connecticut

 

 

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Sodium is a highly unstable metallic element. It has

an " extra " electron in its outer shell. Chlorine is a

highly volatile and poisonous gas. It is missing an

electron in its outer shell.

 

Sodium is basal. Chlorine is acidic. Together, they

perfectly fit to make a salt. That is amazing.

 

Your question is a good one. I am no expert. I am a

student, just like you.

 

Plants take up salt too. That is where they gets their

sodium ions. Chemically, the sodium is the same.

Plants use both the sodium and the chloride. Most

plants need minimal amounts (for their cellular

processes).

 

I highly recommend you reading about salt (NACL)

yourself; and make your own decision about it.

 

 

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/hutchinson/m0024917.html

 

http://www.wildbynature.com/Pages/About%20Salt.html

 

http://substance.altmedangel.com/salt.htm

 

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s01uk.html

 

http://www.country-spice.com/webpages/research/saltdeficiency.htm

 

http://www.agnr.umd.edu/AGNRNews/Article.cfm? & ID=3070 & NL=61

 

http://www.actahort.org/books/511/511_23.htm

 

http://www.nutramed.com/nutrients/sodium_potassium.htm

 

http://www.traceminerals.com/research/chloride.html

 

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002415.htm

 

http://osuextra.com/pdfs/T-3142web.pdf#search='sodium%20in%20foods%20comes%20fro\

m'

 

--- johnd <john wrote:

 

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 02:37:59PM -0800, tev

> treowlufu wrote:

> >

> > BTW, the body doesn't just use the sodium, it uses

> the

> > chloride too.

>

> So when food is said to have sodium, does that mean

> just that? Like

> celery contains sodium. Does it also have sodium

> chloride? Technically

> they are absolutly different, right?

 

 

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You go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

tev treowlufu <coac2002 wrote:

Jesse et al:

 

Look, I am the last person to tell another that they

have to eat salt. I am simply stating my personal

beliefs about this amazing compound, that I have

garnered from study; and in response to the statement

that " salt is a poison. " Oxygen is a poison. Would you

agree?

 

Now, I am, however, going to continue making such

claims about salt if I continue to see people making a

claim that it is poison. Just about any substance can

become a poison. Even water. I think we need to be

more careful about the descriptives we use to describe

nutritional processes. Salt poisoning does occur. It

can be poisonous (toxic), but it is not a poison.

 

OTOH, the " original concept " concerning the metabolic

pathways invovles salt in just about every biochemical

transaction. Salt is, in my opinion, a chemical

miracle. Study it and you'll see what I mean.

 

BTW, I know breatharians and am acquainted with a

sungazer who hasn't eaten in 7 years.

 

If you think salt is a conspiracy, then I suggest you

read: Salt: A World History, by Mark Kurlansky. If you

believe there is a conspiracy, then it is advantageous

to know that the evidence for the conspiracy not only

goes back 10,000 years to Jericho, but also that

animals are invovled in the conspiratorial propaganda

too.

 

If you had studied the history of salt, you would know

that the original use of salt was as a food

preservative. Specifically, to preserve meats and

vegetables. Salt keeps tissue from degrading. In fact,

that is why salt is so prevalent and necessary, in

mine and others' opinions, in and to our bodies. Not

only does it actively function in cellular transport,

but it also functions astringently in the lymph

system.

 

Both the sodium and the chloride are used in the body;

individually and as a solution.

 

Once again, I am not trying to brow beat anyone. Don't

use salt if you believe it is harmful to you; but

don't tell me it is a poison. I will respond with more

evidence if you wish me to.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

 

--- Jesse Parris <studio53 wrote:

 

>

> There is NO game plan for eating raw that is a

> template for everyone else.

> When you get to the point where you think everyone

> needs salt because you do

> then you've stepped outside of the original concept.

> There is so much

> against eating salt as well as there is for it, so I

> guess common sense

> would be to drop it for a while and see how you feel

> and how your body

> reacts. Next thing you are going to tell me is that

> you actually need to eat

> food to live... but before you say yes, then check

> out the whole Breatherian

> movement.

>

> Personally, I think I get enough v & m from veggies

> and feel dried out with

> salt. It's history is one of a flavor enhancer just

> as sugar was at one

> point. Now sugar and salt are so much a part of the

> Standard American Diet

> that most don't even question it anymore. To me,

> sugar and salt is like the

> protein myth that the meat industry created: it's so

> prevalent in EVERYTHING

> that it's just accepted. That's the corporation

> spin.

> Which reminds me, I just finished a great audiobook

> I recommend, " Fast Food

> Nation. " Real scary what corporations are willing to

> do for money.

>

> Jesse

> Connecticut

 

 

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