Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Hi John, It is my belief that the fact of the matter is to the effect that the over-eating of any food, or to excess of our needs, is harmful, which of course includes nuts. So that whereas enough provides our bodies with the necessary elements required to function at optimal level, too much poisons us and has multitudinous effects, with the potential for heart disease being one of them. There is an old saying, " Just enough, and not too much " . John Fielder DO,DC,ND(Adel) Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant www.iig.com.au/anl John de la Garza wrote: > > On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: > > > > > Re: Nuts won't make you fat... > > THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham > > > > check out these links, maybe they will make you consider a different > opinion: > > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu03.ram > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu04.ram > > > these indicate that fat from nuts is great for our heart > > This is how I tend to lean in my beliefs and practice > > > ps > > Mike, thanks for this link it is really informative > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Re: Nuts won't make you fat... THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham This is a brief overview of some concepts from my upcoming booklet entitled " Fruit or Fat?: What Raw Fooders Don't Know Could Kill Them. " This introductory piece gives you a glimpse into an essential and controversial raw-food issue: the fact that the average raw fooder consumes an astonishingly unhealthy amount of fat. To discuss the many questions you will surely have after reading this article, you can join my online discussion group at www.vegsource.com (click on Raw & Sport/Graham). Also, check my Web site, www.doctorgraham.cc and www.healthgeniuses.com, from time to time. I'll announce the publication of " Fruit or Fat? " sometime in 2003. Confusing Advice About Fat Most mainstream and " raw " experts assert that eating fat does not make us fat. They tell us that refined isolated fats and oils should be considered " health foods. " Many raw-food leaders teach that consuming fat won't harm us as long as it's raw. Some even insist that eating up to 80% of calories from fat is perfectly fine. They say that the unstable fats in nuts and seeds can withstand the heat of lengthy dehydration and subsequent room-temperature storage without degrading. They even go so far as to classify refined oil as " juice, " suggesting that we drink it as a daily health practice. You would do well to question all of this advice. Consider the following: Myth: If It's Raw, It's Okay Despite the marketing hype from vendors of olive, flax, borage, hemp, grapeseed, and other " healthy " oils, these products are stripped of their carbohydrates, protein, and fiber. That means oils are refined foods--no longer the whole foods we all know our bodies were designed for. Worse, we consume quantities of fat as oil that we would be unlikely to eat as whole foods. Here are some important facts about fat. * Cooked or raw, higher-than-healthy levels of fat in the bloodstream force fat to precipitate and adhere to arterial walls, a condition known as atherosclerosis. A variety of vascular disorders are related to excessive consumption of dietary fat. * Cooked or raw, increased fat in the bloodstream reduces the oxygen-carrying capacity of red blood cells, predisposing us to cancer and adversely affecting all cellular function, including brain-cell function. This results in impaired clarity of thought and decision making and may set the stage for senility, memory dysfunction, and learning disabilities. * Cooked or raw, increased fat in the bloodstream requires an increased adrenaline response in order to drive the pancreas to produce insulin. Following excess stimulation, adrenal exhaustion sets in, the precursor for conditions such as Epstein-Barr virus, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, and myofascial disease, to name just a few. * Cooked or raw, increased fat in the bloodstream results in increased demand for insulin. The resultant continuous drain on the pancreas eventually leads to pancreatic fatigue and chronically elevated blood-sugar levels. This predisposes us to a group of lipid (fat) metabolic disorders, mistakenly referred to as " blood-sugar metabolic disorders " : hyper- and hypoglycemia, hyperinsulinism, candida yeast, diabetes, and others. Whether you eat cooked animal fat or raw vegetable oil, too much fat is too much fat, and we must recognize its health-destroying potential. Fat, Not Sugar Is the Culprit Here lies a key and often-misunderstood physiological fact: In the presence of fat, our bodies require significantly higher-than-normal amounts of insulin to transport blood sugar across the vessel wall and the cell membrane. It's the fat--not the sugar--in our diets that is a primary cause of candida, diabetes, and other blood-sugar problems. In " Fruit or Fat?, " I discuss this at length. So, How Much Fat Should We Eat? The percentage of calories that we consume as fat is an essential consideration for all of us, cooked or raw. The Pritikin Longevity Center, which holds the finest health regeneration record of any organization in the U.S., recommends a dietary fat consumption of 10% or less. Keeping your fat consumption down to a maximum of 10% of your calories is by far the most healthful practice. SAD, Veggie, Vegan, Raw...Fat, Fat, Fat, Fattest? Here are some numbers that may shock you. It is a well-known fact that those who eat the standard American diet (SAD) average a whopping 42% of their calories from fat. Surprisingly, I've found that vegetarian and vegan diets tend to contain approximately 42% of calories from fat, as well. Vegetarians tend to consume a high amount of dairy, and vegans generally increase their use of oils. Most unexpectedly, I have found that the average raw fooder eats even more fat than those who live on standard American fare. The oils, nuts, seeds, coconuts, avocados, olives, durians, and other fatty fruit in the overall diet of raw fooders add up to an astonishing 60% of calories (often much more) from fat. " Fruit or Fat? " will step you through the numbers in detail. For now, I'll give you just a brief illustration. A large green salad, including an entire head of romaine lettuce, some tomatoes, and a variety of nonroot vegetables would contain about 100 calories, some 15 of which would come from fat. A dressing that blends three tablespoons of oil (375 calories), an ounce of pine nuts (178 calories), and some cilantro, salt, and lemon juice would supply about 550 calories - about 530 of them from fat. Dice in a small avocado (250 calories - 85% fat), and the resulting 900-calorie meal would provide about 90 calories from carbohydrates, about 55 from protein, and more than 755 of its calories from fat - that's 84% fat! 80/10/10 for Optimum Health When I've done this math on full meal plans with thousands of raw fooders over the years, they¹ve seen for themselves: the standard raw diet is extremely high in fat. In " Fruit or Fat? " I'll step you through the math, showing you that a low-fat, high-fruit raw diet that contains 80% carbohydrates (from fruit), 10% protein, and 10% fat is by far the most healthful and sustainable raw-food approach. You're Likely To Be Consuming Too Much Fat If You * Have candida, diabetes, hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue. * Suffer from heart disease, cancer, or any digestive disorder. * Break out in acne, whiteheads, or blemishes. * Experience skin problems such as psoriasis, eczema, or dandruff. * Eat--or even desire--complex carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, rice, corn, or potatoes. * Crave sweets after dinner. * Finish a meal and then desire heavy, concentrated foods such as nuts, seeds, or avocado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 that is ridiculous in my opinion You do know that there are differing schools of thought even from the most studied people right? There are many different schools of thought. I presented the results os a actual test. You are showing me what an expert has come up with. Probably with some testing of his own. I personally believe fat is not the culprit but refined sugar and starch are the main problems to health for most people I guess we will have to disagree on this, because I'm probably not going to convince you On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: > > Re: Nuts won't make you fat... > THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham > > This is a brief overview of some concepts from my upcoming booklet > entitled > " Fruit or Fat?: What Raw Fooders Don't Know Could Kill Them. " This > introductory piece gives you a glimpse into an essential and > controversial > raw-food issue: the fact that the average raw fooder consumes an > astonishingly unhealthy amount of fat. To discuss the many questions > you > will surely have after reading this article, you can join my online > discussion group at www.vegsource.com (click on Raw & Sport/Graham). > Also, > check my Web site, www.doctorgraham.cc and www.healthgeniuses.com, > from time > to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: > > Re: Nuts won't make you fat... > THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham > check out these links, maybe they will make you consider a different opinion: http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu03.ram http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu04.ram these indicate that fat from nuts is great for our heart This is how I tend to lean in my beliefs and practice ps Mike, thanks for this link it is really informative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 another link: http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu08.ram at the end he talks about the correlation to weight loss and increased nut consumption he says that nuts may cause you to actually excrete fat, so you poop it out I don't know how much credibility to give this guy and am not saying this is true bcause this guy says so, just something to consider On Dec 19, 2004, at 9:12 AM, John de la Garza wrote: > > > On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: > >> >> Re: Nuts won't make you fat... >> THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham >> > > check out these links, maybe they will make you consider a different > opinion: > > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu03.ram > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu04.ram > > > these indicate that fat from nuts is great for our heart > > This is how I tend to lean in my beliefs and practice > > > ps > > Mike, thanks for this link it is really informative > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 I'm still fairly new to raw foods but have been using healthy oils in balance for years. People used to think that virgin coconut oil is bad and now we find it is very good. Also natural oils like avocados are good. I think soaked/and or sprouted nuts mixed in with vegetables and used in moderation would be very healthy necessary oils. I will not stop using these oils just because of the information you have posted, because they give me energy and nutrition that I think would be missing without them. Diana of DH Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Thanks for sharing this, Kathy; I have increasing faith in Dr. Graham's conclusions. peace, Valerie Kathy Raine <kraine wrote: Re: Nuts won't make you fat... THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 I'm not saying to overeat. I agree that overeating anything is bad. On Dec 18, 2004, at 6:16 AM, John L. Fielder wrote: > > Hi John, > It is my belief that the fact of the matter is to the effect that the > over-eating of any food, or to excess of our needs, is harmful, which > of > course includes nuts. So that whereas enough provides our bodies with > the necessary elements required to function at optimal level, too much > poisons us and has multitudinous effects, with the potential for heart > disease being one of them. There is an old saying, " Just enough, and > not too much " . > > John Fielder DO,DC,ND(Adel) > Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant > www.iig.com.au/anl > > John de la Garza wrote: > >> >> On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: >> >>> >>> Re: Nuts won't make you fat... >>> THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. Graham >>> >> >> check out these links, maybe they will make you consider a different >> opinion: >> >> http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu03.ram >> http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu04.ram >> >> >> these indicate that fat from nuts is great for our heart >> >> This is how I tend to lean in my beliefs and practice >> >> >> ps >> >> Mike, thanks for this link it is really informative >> >> >> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 On Dec 19, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Diana of Dewberry Hill wrote: > > I'm still fairly new to raw foods but have been using healthy oils in > balance for years. People used to think that virgin coconut oil is bad > and now we find it is very good. Also natural oils like avocados are > good. I think soaked/and or sprouted nuts mixed in with vegetables and > used in moderation would be very healthy necessary oils. I will not > stop using these oils just because of the information you have posted, > because they give me energy and nutrition that I think would be > missing without them. > is this directed to me? I am advocated eating nuts and oils not saying to avoid them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 If you go to " mail options " and select " block email addresses " you can add the email address of the person you want to block. OR Go to " filters " and you can have messages from the same email address automatically sent to trash or another folder of your choice. I'm assuming you read messages from your mailbox so if you do either of the above that should take care of it. Out of sight out of mind. rawfood , sunflowersupreme <no_reply> wrote: >Is there anyway to have messages from a particular member not sent to my >mailbox? _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Thank you - taking care of it right now. Sun --- In rawfood , " Daniel Martin " <danielmartin2005@h...> wrote: > > If you go to " mail options " and select " block email addresses " you can add > the email address of the person you want to block. > > OR > > Go to " filters " and you can have messages from the same email address > automatically sent to trash or another folder of your choice. > > I'm assuming you read messages from your mailbox so if you do either of the > above that should take care of it. Out of sight out of mind. > > rawfood , sunflowersupreme <no_reply> wrote: > >Is there anyway to have messages from a particular member not sent to my > >mailbox? > > _______________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry...perhaps I misunderstood. The article sounded like it was against even what I consider good fats. Maybe I read your post too quickly and didn't get your viewpoint. Thanks for clarifying that. They give me energy and I think we need them. D of DH is this directed to me? I am advocated eating nuts and oils not saying to avoid them. Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 I do have a lot of confulted information stored in my little head. I am trying to learn about this stuff, I'm actually very interested and openly admit I have a lot to learn. All I am doing is trying to debate and learn from other people. I actually believe what I'm saying and have been proven wrong many times on things and was gratefull to be set straight. Isn't it a good thing to debate? What should I do if I disagree with someone in the future? Or actually believe I have something that could help another person that I disagreewith to widen their views? Yes I am confused I freely admit that. I am trying to learn about raw foods and how to best eat. I can get defensive, yes. If you can't forgive me and need help not recieving my messages I can help you do this. It is something you have to do in your mail client. I actually can think for myself, was just trying to share links with people that really made me think. On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 02:17:25AM -0000, sunflowersupreme wrote: > > > John you are egotistical defensive obnoxious and confused with all > the convulted information you have stored in that little head of > yours. Another member stated eating too much of anything was bad and > you disagreed. Now you say you agree with this member that it's true. > Newsflash people, John is not interested in the opinion of anyone > here. He just wants to force his opinions on others and argue with > anyone who disagrees. This is probably why the association he emailed > is ignoring him. Anyone who disagrees with him will be hit with a > string of website links to justify his opinion, which only shows he > can't think for himself. > > Is there anyway to have messages from a particular member not sent to > my mailbox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 or you could actually deal with the individual if he is willing to come to an understanding and clear things up before doing something like this On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 03:01:09AM +0000, Daniel Martin wrote: > > > If you go to " mail options " and select " block email addresses " you can add > the email address of the person you want to block. > > OR > > Go to " filters " and you can have messages from the same email address > automatically sent to trash or another folder of your choice. > > I'm assuming you read messages from your mailbox so if you do either of the > above that should take care of it. Out of sight out of mind. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Has anyone here listened to the talks by Dr. Greger? Anyone want to discuss his findings? Seems kind of shocking about vegans dieing the same has meat eaters, and meat eaters having less boneloss I'm refering to this: http://www.drgreger.org/talks.html someone posted this a while back and it is very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 " Convulted " information? Which " convulted " information? I hope your " little head " isn't " confusing " convulted with convoluted. I find this sort of posting " egotistical " and " obnoxious " and " confusing. " tev --- sunflowersupreme <no_reply > wrote: > John you are egotistical defensive obnoxious and > confused with all > the convulted information you have stored in that > little head of > yours. Another member stated eating too much of > anything was bad and > you disagreed. Now you say you agree with this > member that it's true. > Newsflash people, John is not interested in the > opinion of anyone > here. He just wants to force his opinions on others > and argue with > anyone who disagrees. This is probably why the > association he emailed > is ignoring him. Anyone who disagrees with him will > be hit with a > string of website links to justify his opinion, > which only shows he > can't think for himself. > > Is there anyway to have messages from a particular > member not sent to > my mailbox? > > In rawfood , John de la Garza > <john@j...> wrote: > > I'm not saying to overeat. I agree that > overeating anything is bad. > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2004, at 6:16 AM, John L. Fielder > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > It is my belief that the fact of the matter is > to the effect > that the > > > over-eating of any food, or to excess of our > needs, is harmful, > which > > > of > > > course includes nuts. So that whereas enough > provides our bodies > with > > > the necessary elements required to function at > optimal level, too > much > > > poisons us and has multitudinous effects, with > the potential for > heart > > > disease being one of them. There is an old > saying, " Just enough, > and > > > not too much " . > > > > > > John Fielder DO,DC,ND(Adel) > > > Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant > > > www.iig.com.au/anl > > > > > > John de la Garza wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> On Dec 19, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Kathy Raine wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Re: Nuts won't make you fat... > > >>> THE BAD NEWS ABOUT RAW FAT By Dr. Douglas N. > Graham > > >>> > > >> > > >> check out these links, maybe they will make you > consider a > different > > >> opinion: > > >> > > >> > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu03.ram > > >> > http://www.drgreger.org/talks/nutrition/nu04.ram > > >> > > >> > > >> these indicate that fat from nuts is great for > our heart > > >> > > >> This is how I tend to lean in my beliefs and > practice > > >> > > >> > > >> ps > > >> > > >> Mike, thanks for this link it is really > informative > > >> > > >> > > >> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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