Ponderings on historical raw events

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What was eaten in the garden of Eden? All organic,

all raw of course.

 

It was after the rebellion against Ha'Shem and the

human use of " free Will " to fall that we started

consuming meat and so forth.

 

One thing to keep in mind about the past, is that not

only was there no refrigeration, there also was not

the choice of produce that we have now. No

transportation of the same.

 

This is one reason that the festival of booths (or

Sukkot) was so important. For an entire week, there

was fresh produce to eat and we lived in our airy palm

booths under the stars, remembering a time when we

lived on the Mercies the Open Hand of G-d in the

desert.

 

There were ways to store food, true, but primitive.

There was really no choice but to have grains and

dried fruit and so forth. Of course in that climate,

you can grow a lot during winter months if you can

handle the water needs. The Essene community did live

on raw food and sprouted grains to eat all year

'round. But their whole outlook was not towards human

comfort, but to a mindfulness of HIM who created all,

rather then the amassing of wealth or power.

 

Now we can access raw organic fruit and veggies from

around the world. Back in Biblical days there was no

worry that honey was not raw, no one had the means to

heat it to over 1200 degrees as is done now. (Only

honey that states NO HEATING is truly raw.) They ate

what was available at the time.

 

Red meat was reserved for the rich, for holy festivals

and eaten after it had been sacrificed on the altar.

That meat was butchered a certain way, not only for

the humane speed, but for the draining away of the

blood from the meat etc. (Can you'll tell I was

raised Jewish? BTW Ha'Shem means HIS Holy or Blessed

Name.)

 

For the poor fish was the most common of meats,

followed by the older chicken who had outlived her egg

laying year. Those who had herds could have those who

were culled from the herd, killed humanely, Koshered

with Salt to drain the toxins fro it after the blood

had drained off. But even that meat had to be eaten

at once, as the methods of drying were harsh and flies

a real problem.

 

Now for the Prophets and words of wisdom.

 

Yes, knowledge was right there for them. They each

recieve the measure and witness that G-d intended for

them. So perhaps Raw was further down the list. Look

also at the time they lived in. How to implement RAW

when you had to actually grow it yourself? What do to

eat in the dead of winter with snow thick? On the

other hand, Humans were in that position precisely

because " we " had rebelled and were driven out of the

garden. Perhaps this was part of the curse that goes

from generation to generation, for seven generations.

 

Yes, there were grains available, and the means to

sprout them... but it was more of a struggle to heat

the home and the body then it is now with our modern

conveniences.

 

I lived out in the desert for years without running

water and electricity, raising my own organic food for

myself and my daughter, so I am very aware of just how

much it takes to feed and heat and wash a small

family.

 

I think it was more a matter of the time we live in

now, then otherwise. Really, has G-d laid any

restrictions at our doors that were NOT possible to

do?

 

And if G-d gave the past Prophets all knowledge, what

would there be for future prophets and leaders to do?

When you are in a situation where you have to triage a

wounded crowd, it is more a time for clean hot water,

bandages and lifting and carrying the injured away to

safety, then preaching on what should be eaten.

 

Press the clean cloth to a wound, worry about what

they are going to eat later. G-d has His own timing

for everything.

 

Remember that when the chosen ones were wandering in

the desert taking their " laps " around Sinai? Their

clothes, sandals, and belongings did not wear out.

They were given Manna to eat. They had a cover of

cloud in the day to keep the worst of the sun's heat

from burning them, and a pillar of fire at night to

warm them in the cold night air. It was only AFTER

they rebelled against the Manna, (Using that " free

will " again) that they were then given the birds that

came to eat the manna.

 

Each time Ha'Shem offers us Raw Organic food. It is

our own will that keeps bringing us to cooked comfort

food instead of turning to HIM for comfort and

protection. He very clearly states not to trust in

the arm of man for our sustenance and our protection.

 

Shalom!

 

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The Urantia Book: P.834 - §5 The Adamic children did not take milk

from animals when they ceased to nurse the mother's breast at one

year of age. Eve had access to the milk of a great variety of nuts

and to the juices of many fruits, and knowing full well the chemistry

and energy of these foods, she suitably combined them for the

nourishment of her children until the appearance of teeth.

P.834 - §6 While cooking was universally employed outside of the

immediate Adamic sector of Eden, there was no cooking in Adam's

household. They found their foods--fruits, nuts, and cereals--ready

prepared as they ripened. They ate once a day, shortly after

noontime. Adam and Eve also imbibed " light and energy " direct from

certain space emanations in conjunction with the ministry of the tree

of life.

 

P.849 - §4 As time passed in the second garden, the consequences of

default became increasingly apparent. Adam and Eve greatly missed

their former home of beauty and tranquillity as well as their

children who had been deported to Edentia. It was indeed pathetic to

observe this magnificent couple reduced to the status of the common

flesh of the realm; but they bore their diminished estate with grace

and fortitude.

P.850 - §2 Adam's caravan had carried the seeds and bulbs of hundreds

of plants and cereals of the first garden with them to the land

between the rivers; they also had brought along extensive herds and

some of all the domesticated animals. Because of this they possessed

great advantages over the surrounding tribes. They enjoyed many of

the benefits of the previous culture of the original Garden.

P.850 - §3 Up to the time of leaving the first garden, Adam and his

family had always subsisted on fruits, cereals, and nuts. On the way

to Mesopotamia they had, for the first time, partaken of herbs and

vegetables. The eating of meat was early introduced into the second

garden, but Adam and Eve never partook of flesh as a part of their

regular diet. Neither did Adamson nor Eveson nor the other children

of the first generation of the first garden become flesh eaters.

P.851 - §2 Adam and Eve and their first generation of children did

not use the flesh of animals for food. They subsisted wholly

upon " the fruits of the trees. " After the first generation all of the

descendants of Adam began to partake of dairy products, but many of

them continued to follow a nonflesh diet. Many of the southern tribes

with whom they later united were also nonflesh eaters. Later on, most

of these vegetarian tribes migrated to the east and survived as now

admixed in the peoples of India.

 

I hope to develop " a mindfulness of HIM who created all. " Yes, food

should be eaten to sustain the body, not for emotional comfort.

 

rawfood , Laura Haddaway <iamdunroamin>

wrote:

> What was eaten in the garden of Eden? All organic,

> all raw of course.

>

> It was after the rebellion against Ha'Shem and the

> human use of " free Will " to fall that we started

> consuming meat and so forth.

>

> One thing to keep in mind about the past, is that not

> only was there no refrigeration, there also was not

> the choice of produce that we have now. No

> transportation of the same.

>

> This is one reason that the festival of booths (or

> Sukkot) was so important. For an entire week, there

> was fresh produce to eat and we lived in our airy palm

> booths under the stars, remembering a time when we

> lived on the Mercies the Open Hand of G-d in the

> desert.

>

> There were ways to store food, true, but primitive.

> There was really no choice but to have grains and

> dried fruit and so forth. Of course in that climate,

> you can grow a lot during winter months if you can

> handle the water needs. The Essene community did live

> on raw food and sprouted grains to eat all year

> 'round. But their whole outlook was not towards human

> comfort, but to a mindfulness of HIM who created all,

> rather then the amassing of wealth or power.

>

> Now we can access raw organic fruit and veggies from

> around the world. Back in Biblical days there was no

> worry that honey was not raw, no one had the means to

> heat it to over 1200 degrees as is done now. (Only

> honey that states NO HEATING is truly raw.) They ate

> what was available at the time.

>

> Red meat was reserved for the rich, for holy festivals

> and eaten after it had been sacrificed on the altar.

> That meat was butchered a certain way, not only for

> the humane speed, but for the draining away of the

> blood from the meat etc. (Can you'll tell I was

> raised Jewish? BTW Ha'Shem means HIS Holy or Blessed

> Name.)

>

> For the poor fish was the most common of meats,

> followed by the older chicken who had outlived her egg

> laying year. Those who had herds could have those who

> were culled from the herd, killed humanely, Koshered

> with Salt to drain the toxins fro it after the blood

> had drained off. But even that meat had to be eaten

> at once, as the methods of drying were harsh and flies

> a real problem.

>

> Now for the Prophets and words of wisdom.

>

> Yes, knowledge was right there for them. They each

> recieve the measure and witness that G-d intended for

> them. So perhaps Raw was further down the list. Look

> also at the time they lived in. How to implement RAW

> when you had to actually grow it yourself? What do to

> eat in the dead of winter with snow thick? On the

> other hand, Humans were in that position precisely

> because " we " had rebelled and were driven out of the

> garden. Perhaps this was part of the curse that goes

> from generation to generation, for seven generations.

>

> Yes, there were grains available, and the means to

> sprout them... but it was more of a struggle to heat

> the home and the body then it is now with our modern

> conveniences.

>

> I lived out in the desert for years without running

> water and electricity, raising my own organic food for

> myself and my daughter, so I am very aware of just how

> much it takes to feed and heat and wash a small

> family.

>

> I think it was more a matter of the time we live in

> now, then otherwise. Really, has G-d laid any

> restrictions at our doors that were NOT possible to

> do?

>

> And if G-d gave the past Prophets all knowledge, what

> would there be for future prophets and leaders to do?

> When you are in a situation where you have to triage a

> wounded crowd, it is more a time for clean hot water,

> bandages and lifting and carrying the injured away to

> safety, then preaching on what should be eaten.

>

> Press the clean cloth to a wound, worry about what

> they are going to eat later. G-d has His own timing

> for everything.

>

> Remember that when the chosen ones were wandering in

> the desert taking their " laps " around Sinai? Their

> clothes, sandals, and belongings did not wear out.

> They were given Manna to eat. They had a cover of

> cloud in the day to keep the worst of the sun's heat

> from burning them, and a pillar of fire at night to

> warm them in the cold night air. It was only AFTER

> they rebelled against the Manna, (Using that " free

> will " again) that they were then given the birds that

> came to eat the manna.

>

> Each time Ha'Shem offers us Raw Organic food. It is

> our own will that keeps bringing us to cooked comfort

> food instead of turning to HIM for comfort and

> protection. He very clearly states not to trust in

> the arm of man for our sustenance and our protection.

>

> Shalom!

>

> =====

> Peace, Joy and Good Health

>

> Laura

>

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From my sources, Jesus ate meat as regularly as anyone and didn't

require vegetarianism of anyone. The one thing he did as far as not

eating meat was concerned, is he didn't serve a sacrificied lamb when

he was the host of Passover, although he partook of it at other

Passovers. This could be seen as a hint not to eat meat but it could

be that he was just trying to break the pattern of animal sacrifice.

 

rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...> wrote:

>

> rawfood , Laura Haddaway <iamdunroamin>

wrote:

> > What was eaten in the garden of Eden? All organic,

> > all raw of course.

> >

>

> I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can help me with my

> question, when I email them they wont respond.

>

> They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians. Do you know where

> they get this from? The bible says Jesus gave people fish. The

book

> of Acts has God telling Paul (in a dream) to kill and eat anything

> including pork. This dream is to show Paul not to be stuck with the

> Jewish laws.

>

> I'm not a believer but I do believe the Bible is a book that has a

> message. Jesus said it is not what goes into a man that makes him

> unclean but what comes out. (evil deeds and such)

[Guest guest]

I did? I don't recal going to soystache.com

 

 

rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

>

> Coincidentally, that post a few back gave the site,

> www.soystache.com, which has a link on it to Jesus as a raw fooder

> and some exerpts from the gospel of the Essenes about it.

>

> > rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

> wrote:

> > > I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can help me with

> my

> > > question, when I email them they wont respond.

> > >

> > > They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians. Do you know

> where

> > > they get this from?

[Guest guest]

Perhaps his teaching attempted to direct our attention

to the understanding that God did not need to be

approached through animal sacrifice; nor perhaps that

any sacrifice was required by God in any manner

whatsoever; nor that you had to be a vegetarian to

receive " sonship " from God; that sonship (including

daughtership) was/is a free gift given to all who

chose/choose to " know God. "

 

Does vegetarianism lead to a finer, deeper spiritual

knowledge of God? IMO, yes.

 

tev

 

--- Froggy <seconaphim wrote:

 

> From my sources, Jesus ate meat as regularly as

> anyone and didn't

> require vegetarianism of anyone. The one thing he

> did as far as not

> eating meat was concerned, is he didn't serve a

> sacrificied lamb when

> he was the host of Passover, although he partook of

> it at other

> Passovers. This could be seen as a hint not to eat

> meat but it could

> be that he was just trying to break the pattern of

> animal sacrifice.

>

> rawfood , " John de la Garza "

> <john@j...> wrote:

> >

> > rawfood , Laura Haddaway

> <iamdunroamin>

> wrote:

> > > What was eaten in the garden of Eden? All

> organic,

> > > all raw of course.

> > >

> >

> > I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you

> can help me with my

> > question, when I email them they wont respond.

> >

> > They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians.

> Do you know where

> > they get this from? The bible says Jesus gave

> people fish. The

> book

> > of Acts has God telling Paul (in a dream) to kill

> and eat anything

> > including pork. This dream is to show Paul not to

> be stuck with the

> > Jewish laws.

> >

> > I'm not a believer but I do believe the Bible is a

> book that has a

> > message. Jesus said it is not what goes into a

> man that makes him

> > unclean but what comes out. (evil deeds and such)

 

 

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[Guest guest]

John,

 

I think Jennifer may be referring not to the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were

discovered in Egypt in 1945, but to the Essene Gospel of Peace and other Essene

writings which Szekely claimed he discovered in the Vatican.

 

Mark

-

John de la Garza

rawfood

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:45 AM

[Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical raw events

 

 

 

that woudl contradict the Bible, I always thought the dead sea scrolls

didn't contradict anything

 

I thought that is why Christians thought they where such a good thing

that confirmed their belief in the bible.

 

rawfood , " Jennifer " <simplify@s...> wrote:

>

> Re: I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can

> help me with my

> question, when I email them they wont respond.

>

> They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians. Do you

> know where

> they get this from?

>

> Reply: The Dead Sea Scrolls are Essene, I believe. Check

> them out here:

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-711

> 5728-2292667

>

>

> All the best,

>

> Jennifer

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just for clarity's sake, here's a link to a site I found that gives a good

summary of what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls; the connection with the Essenes is

that this may have been their own copies of these particular writings, copied by

the Essenes for their use. The Essene Gospel of Peace is a separate issue, I

believe, from what I have found so far.

 

http://www.centuryone.com/25dssfacts.html

 

Hope this is helpful...

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Mark Hovila <hovila wrote:

John,

 

I think Jennifer may be referring not to the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were

discovered in Egypt in 1945, but to the Essene Gospel of Peace and other Essene

writings which Szekely claimed he discovered in the Vatican.

 

Mark

-

John de la Garza

rawfood

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:45 AM

[Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical raw events

 

 

 

that woudl contradict the Bible, I always thought the dead sea scrolls

didn't contradict anything

 

I thought that is why Christians thought they where such a good thing

that confirmed their belief in the bible.

 

rawfood , " Jennifer " <simplify@s...> wrote:

>

> Re: I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can

> help me with my

> question, when I email them they wont respond.

>

> They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians. Do you

> know where

> they get this from?

>

> Reply: The Dead Sea Scrolls are Essene, I believe. Check

> them out here:

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-711

> 5728-2292667

>

>

> All the best,

>

> Jennifer

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote:

>

> Perhaps his teaching attempted to direct our attention

> to the understanding that God did not need to be

> approached through animal sacrifice; nor perhaps that

> any sacrifice was required by God in any manner

> whatsoever; nor that you had to be a vegetarian to

> receive " sonship " from God; that sonship (including

> daughtership) was/is a free gift given to all who

> chose/choose to " know God. "

>

> Does vegetarianism lead to a finer, deeper spiritual

> knowledge of God? IMO, yes.

>

> tev

 

I don't mean offense by this, but I guess you don't agree with

Christianity, right?

 

Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't make

pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't ready.

This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

 

I was just curious if you where Christian or not, too. If not then I

can see why you'd say this if so I'd be a bit confused.

 

not that there is anything wrong with what you say

[Guest guest]

A quote from the Urantia Book, www.urantia.com, a much better source

for the teachings of Jesus than the Dead Sea Scrolls or the gospel of

the Essenes or the Bible for that matter:

 

P.1712 - §5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He

said: " But hearken to me all of you. It is not that which enters into

the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which

proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart. " But even the apostles

failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter also

asked him: " Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended,

would you explain to us the meaning of these words? " And then said

Jesus to Peter:

P.1713 - §0 " Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that

every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted

up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You

cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are blind

guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall

fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth concerning

those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men. I

declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the man.

Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there come

forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge, railings,

and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

 

rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...> wrote:

> Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

> teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't

make

> pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't

ready.

> This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

[Guest guest]

Hello!

 

I have heard in some quarters that the essene gospel is a hoax. I

have to say, I've read some of it, and it DOES read like a fake. Not

sure if I can explain why, but something seems too contrived about it.

Read it yourself and see what you think.

 

That said, I do agree with its advice, in the main. And besides, we

shouldn't need ancient documents, fake or otherwise, to back up the

already strong case for raw food diets. In fact any fake info,

untruths, or half-truths should be avoided, as they will just

discredit the movement.

 

Love and light,

 

Graeme x

 

rawfood , " Jennifer " <simplify@s...> wrote:

>

> Re: I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can

> help me with my

> question, when I email them they wont respond.

[Guest guest]

Actually its Judea, 1947.

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html

 

A fellow named Charles F. Potter wrote an excellent

treatise on the significance of these scrolls ( " Lost

Years Of Jesus " ), suggesting, among other things, that

the bible must be recanonized to include the new

writings.

 

tev

 

--- Mark Hovila <hovila wrote:

 

>

> John,

>

> I think Jennifer may be referring not to the Dead

> Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in Egypt in 1945,

> but to the Essene Gospel of Peace and other Essene

> writings which Szekely claimed he discovered in the

> Vatican.

>

> Mark

> -

> John de la Garza

> rawfood

> Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:45 AM

> [Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical

> raw events

 

> that woudl contradict the Bible, I always thought

> the dead sea scrolls

> didn't contradict anything

>

> I thought that is why Christians thought they

> where such a good thing

> that confirmed their belief in the bible.

>

> rawfood , " Jennifer "

> <simplify@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Re: I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe

> you can

> > help me with my

> > question, when I email them they wont respond.

> >

> > They say Jesus required people to be

> vegetarians. Do you

> > know where

> > they get this from?

 

> > Jennifer

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Your question is precisely " the example " of why this

issue is so confusing to everyone. The point is

completely missed; and the reason that the point is

continuously missed is that people confuse the concept

of " sonship " with God and the concept of spiritual

progression (and development).

 

They are not the same. " Sonship " (or daughtership) is

given freely to all. Spiritual progression is a

continuous process of individual initiative. Effort

and discipline must be employed. Self mastery should

be the goal; and " spiritual abilities " develop. Etc.

Etc.

 

Vegetarianism, veganism, rawfoodism, are acts, IMO, of

refining oneself spiritually. They are spiritual

progressions (IMO).

 

My guess is that this Yeshua/Jesus fellow wanted to

clear up the understanding that the free gift from God

" sonship/daughtership " (that is, that we are children

of God) requires absolutely no work on our part. It is

given for nothing. We don't have to do anything to get

it. What we do with it is another matter. Sonship

doesn't necessarily lead to spiritual progression

(growth).

 

Further, I am also stating, emphatically, that

" sonship " (or daughtership) does NOT require any

sacrifice, eating style, or any other such

ritualistic, mystic, behavior gesture. IOW, what you

put into your mouth, does nothing to change (or

confer) " sonship " with God.

 

But the " seed " won't grow and develop (spiritual

progression) without our active participation. I

believe vegetarianism, veganism, etc., are necessary

spiritual progressions.

 

As to Paul, well he made up his own religion, didn't

he?

 

As to me, I was born and raised a Catholic. I went to

a Catholic school--Sunday School, church every Sunday.

I am no longer a Catholic. I have studied much (incl.,

of course, the bible). I used to consider myself a

Christian; but now I ask: Christian? What is that? It

is answered very differently by those who call

themselves Christians. (Which form of Christianity

would I be disagreeing with here?)

 

Do " I " practice what is traditionally meant by

Christianity? No.

 

How's that for a towering babble?

 

tev

 

 

--- John de la Garza <john wrote:

 

> I don't mean offense by this, but I guess you don't

> agree with

> Christianity, right?

>

> Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us

> bad or Pauls

> teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks

> about don't make

> pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that

> they arn't ready.

> This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full

> understanding.

>

> I was just curious if you where Christian or not,

> too. If not then I

> can see why you'd say this if so I'd be a bit

> confused.

>

> not that there is anything wrong with what you say

 

> rawfood , tev treowlufu

> <coac2002> wrote:

> >

> > Perhaps his teaching attempted to direct our

> attention

> > to the understanding that God did not need to be

> > approached through animal sacrifice; nor perhaps

> that

> > any sacrifice was required by God in any manner

> > whatsoever; nor that you had to be a vegetarian to

> > receive " sonship " from God; that sonship

> (including

> > daughtership) was/is a free gift given to all who

> > chose/choose to " know God. "

> >

> > Does vegetarianism lead to a finer, deeper

> spiritual

> > knowledge of God? IMO, yes.

> >

> > tev

>

 

 

 

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If I'm reading this right, Jesus is saying that it is the *intent* behind words

or actions that determines whether actions/words are evil or not. This how I

have always viewed things. It's kinda nice to know I'm not nuts.

 

Carolyn (C2)

 

 

 

 

-

Froggy

 

 

[snip] But hearken while I tell you the truth concerning

those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men. I

declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the man.

Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there come

forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge, railings,

and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Read Gabriel Cousens " Conscious Eating " , chapter 18 ... explains

this whole issue.

 

terry

 

 

rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

>

> A quote from the Urantia Book, www.urantia.com, a much better

source

> for the teachings of Jesus than the Dead Sea Scrolls or the gospel

of

> the Essenes or the Bible for that matter:

>

> P.1712 - §5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He

> said: " But hearken to me all of you. It is not that which enters

into

> the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which

> proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart. " But even the

apostles

> failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter

also

> asked him: " Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended,

> would you explain to us the meaning of these words? " And then said

> Jesus to Peter:

> P.1713 - §0 " Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that

> every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be

rooted

> up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You

> cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are

blind

> guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall

> fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth

concerning

> those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men.

I

> declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

> access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the

man.

> Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

> heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

> unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there

come

> forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

> adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge,

railings,

> and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

> not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

>

> rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

wrote:

> > Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

> > teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't

> make

> > pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't

> ready.

> > This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

[Guest guest]

tev,

 

Yes, you're right of course. The name " Dead Sea " gives it away! I was thinking

of another discovery, the one in Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945.

 

Mark

-

tev treowlufu

rawfood

Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:55 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Ponderings on historical raw events

 

 

 

Actually its Judea, 1947.

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html

 

A fellow named Charles F. Potter wrote an excellent

treatise on the significance of these scrolls ( " Lost

Years Of Jesus " ), suggesting, among other things, that

the bible must be recanonized to include the new

writings.

 

tev

 

--- Mark Hovila <hovila wrote:

 

>

> John,

>

> I think Jennifer may be referring not to the Dead

> Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in Egypt in 1945,

> but to the Essene Gospel of Peace and other Essene

> writings which Szekely claimed he discovered in the

> Vatican.

>

> Mark

> -

> John de la Garza

> rawfood

> Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:45 AM

> [Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical

> raw events

 

> that woudl contradict the Bible, I always thought

> the dead sea scrolls

> didn't contradict anything

>

> I thought that is why Christians thought they

> where such a good thing

> that confirmed their belief in the bible.

>

> rawfood , " Jennifer "

> <simplify@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Re: I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe

> you can

> > help me with my

> > question, when I email them they wont respond.

> >

> > They say Jesus required people to be

> vegetarians. Do you

> > know where

> > they get this from?

 

> > Jennifer

 

 

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in the book one of essene gospel of peace, translated from the dead sea scrolls

 

John de la Garza <john wrote:

I did? I don't recal going to soystache.com

 

 

rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

>

> Coincidentally, that post a few back gave the site,

> www.soystache.com, which has a link on it to Jesus as a raw fooder

> and some exerpts from the gospel of the Essenes about it.

>

> > rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

> wrote:

> > > I saw that you mentioned the Essenes. Maybe you can help me with

> my

> > > question, when I email them they wont respond.

> > >

> > > They say Jesus required people to be vegetarians. Do you know

> where

> > > they get this from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

it says what it says, why do I need an interpretation? some things are

very simple

 

 

 

I'm sorry if I am being harsh, I don't even know why I'm making an

issue of it, I am not a Christian. If just bugs me when I see

contradiction.

 

to me it seems like a contradiction

 

Jesus fed people cooked bread and fish, I really believe he didn't make

an issue of food I think he had more non physical ideas

 

it seems to me that he was about making it to heaven not necessarily

being health

 

what I mean is I don't think he was a nutrition teacher

 

please don't take this as an attack, just debating

On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:18 PM, terry wrote:

 

>

>

> Read Gabriel Cousens " Conscious Eating " , chapter 18 ... explains

> this whole issue.

>

> terry

>

>

> rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

>>

>> A quote from the Urantia Book, www.urantia.com, a much better

> source

>> for the teachings of Jesus than the Dead Sea Scrolls or the gospel

> of

>> the Essenes or the Bible for that matter:

>>

>> P.1712 - §5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He

>> said: " But hearken to me all of you. It is not that which enters

> into

>> the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which

>> proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart. " But even the

> apostles

>> failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter

> also

>> asked him: " Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended,

>> would you explain to us the meaning of these words? " And then said

>> Jesus to Peter:

>> P.1713 - §0 " Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that

>> every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be

> rooted

>> up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You

>> cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are

> blind

>> guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall

>> fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth

> concerning

>> those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men.

> I

>> declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

>> access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the

> man.

>> Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

>> heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

>> unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there

> come

>> forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

>> adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge,

> railings,

>> and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

>> not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

>>

>> rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

> wrote:

>>> Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

>>> teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't

>> make

>>> pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't

>> ready.

>>> This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

[Guest guest]

I believe Jesus may have been a vegetarian but did eat some of the thongs

the people he hung out with because he didn’t want to appear holier than

thou! Hard to save the world when you don’t play the world music…just my 2¢

worth

 

 

 

 

John de la Garza [john]

Friday, January 28, 2005 2:16 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical raw events

 

 

 

it says what it says, why do I need an interpretation? some things are

very simple

 

 

 

I'm sorry if I am being harsh, I don't even know why I'm making an

issue of it, I am not a Christian. If just bugs me when I see

contradiction.

 

to me it seems like a contradiction

 

Jesus fed people cooked bread and fish, I really believe he didn't make

an issue of food I think he had more non physical ideas

 

it seems to me that he was about making it to heaven not necessarily

being health

 

what I mean is I don't think he was a nutrition teacher

 

please don't take this as an attack, just debating

On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:18 PM, terry wrote:

 

>

>

> Read Gabriel Cousens " Conscious Eating " , chapter 18 ... explains

> this whole issue.

>

> terry

>

>

> rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

>>

>> A quote from the Urantia Book, www.urantia.com, a much better

> source

>> for the teachings of Jesus than the Dead Sea Scrolls or the gospel

> of

>> the Essenes or the Bible for that matter:

>>

>> P.1712 - §5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He

>> said: " But hearken to me all of you. It is not that which enters

> into

>> the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which

>> proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart. " But even the

> apostles

>> failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter

> also

>> asked him: " Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended,

>> would you explain to us the meaning of these words? " And then said

>> Jesus to Peter:

>> P.1713 - §0 " Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that

>> every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be

> rooted

>> up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You

>> cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are

> blind

>> guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall

>> fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth

> concerning

>> those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men.

> I

>> declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

>> access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the

> man.

>> Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

>> heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

>> unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there

> come

>> forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

>> adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge,

> railings,

>> and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

>> not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

>>

>> rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

> wrote:

>>> Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

>>> teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't

>> make

>>> pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't

>> ready.

>>> This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

[Guest guest]

From http://www.soystache.com/jesus.htm: While there may not be any

direct references in the Bible by Jesus regarding a vegetarian diet,

text does exist with Jesus teaching that we should not only be eating

a vegetarian diet, but that we also should be eating a living-food

diet (we should not be cooking our food). Jesus certainly taught

compassion and love, so the thought of Jesus promoting a vegetarian

diet should not be surprising to us. If you are a follower of Jesus,

hopefully you will want to read the words he shared with the Essenes,

found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you are not a follower of Jesus,

hopefully you will still be interested in his words. You do not need

to be a follower of Jesus to understand the truth in these scriptures.

 

" eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed "

 

" But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food

which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will

quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you

also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always

death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also.

And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And

your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits,

likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything

which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and

rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like

the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen,

and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing.

And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in

his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat,

paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you

truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with

the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls

also. "

 

I don't particularly believe he said this, but it's good stuff. So

stay away from frozen food too. However, I don't eat raw wheat.

 

" It is the fire which blazes outside your body, which is hotter than

your blood. With that fire of death you cook your foods in your homes

and in your fields. I tell you truly, it is the same fire which

destroys your foods and your bodies, even as the fire of malice,

which ravages your thoughts, ravages your spirits. For your body is

that which you eat, and your spirit is that which you think. Eat

nothing, therefore, which a stronger fire than the fire of life has

killed. Wherefore, prepare and eat all fruits of trees, and all

grasses of the fields, and afl milk of beasts good for eating. For

all these are fed and ripened by the fire of life; all are the gift

of the angels of our Earthly Mother. But eat nothing to which only

the fire of death gives savor, for such is of Satan. "

 

A cooked eating mentality does promote other awful acts of human

nature. But I stay away from the milk of other animals.

 

" Eat, therefore, all your life at the table of our Earthly Mother,

and you will never see want. And when you eat at her table, eat all

things even as they are found on the table of the Earthly Mother.

Cook not, neither mix all things one with another, lest your bowels

become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in

the eyes of the Lord. "

 

Yea, no food combining, whatever that means. I just eat one food

item at time. I eat more than one food at a particular meal, though,

but I see no need to mix my salad materials.

 

rawfood , " Graeme " <kimonokraken> wrote:

>

>

> Hello!

>

> I have heard in some quarters that the essene gospel is a hoax. I

> have to say, I've read some of it, and it DOES read like a fake.

Not

> sure if I can explain why, but something seems too contrived about

it.

> Read it yourself and see what you think.

>

> That said, I do agree with its advice, in the main. And besides, we

> shouldn't need ancient documents, fake or otherwise, to back up the

> already strong case for raw food diets. In fact any fake info,

> untruths, or half-truths should be avoided, as they will just

> discredit the movement.

>

> Love and light,

>

> Graeme x

[Guest guest]

Of course we're sons, we're people, we exist, we have personality, so

does God, that makes us his creation or sons. And along with that is

spiritual progression; peace, love, and joy grow as we grow in his

will and understanding of and friendship with God. What's confusing?

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote:

>

> Your question is precisely " the example " of why this

> issue is so confusing to everyone. The point is

> completely missed; and the reason that the point is

> continuously missed is that people confuse the concept

> of " sonship " with God and the concept of spiritual

> progression (and development).

>

> They are not the same. " Sonship " (or daughtership) is

> given freely to all. Spiritual progression is a

> continuous process of individual initiative. Effort

> and discipline must be employed. Self mastery should

> be the goal; and " spiritual abilities " develop. Etc.

> Etc.

>

> Vegetarianism, veganism, rawfoodism, are acts, IMO, of

> refining oneself spiritually. They are spiritual

> progressions (IMO).

>

> My guess is that this Yeshua/Jesus fellow wanted to

> clear up the understanding that the free gift from God

> " sonship/daughtership " (that is, that we are children

> of God) requires absolutely no work on our part. It is

> given for nothing. We don't have to do anything to get

> it. What we do with it is another matter. Sonship

> doesn't necessarily lead to spiritual progression

> (growth).

>

> Further, I am also stating, emphatically, that

> " sonship " (or daughtership) does NOT require any

> sacrifice, eating style, or any other such

> ritualistic, mystic, behavior gesture. IOW, what you

> put into your mouth, does nothing to change (or

> confer) " sonship " with God.

>

> But the " seed " won't grow and develop (spiritual

> progression) without our active participation. I

> believe vegetarianism, veganism, etc., are necessary

> spiritual progressions.

>

> As to Paul, well he made up his own religion, didn't

> he?

>

> As to me, I was born and raised a Catholic. I went to

> a Catholic school--Sunday School, church every Sunday.

> I am no longer a Catholic. I have studied much (incl.,

> of course, the bible). I used to consider myself a

> Christian; but now I ask: Christian? What is that? It

> is answered very differently by those who call

> themselves Christians. (Which form of Christianity

> would I be disagreeing with here?)

>

> Do " I " practice what is traditionally meant by

> Christianity? No.

>

> How's that for a towering babble?

>

> tev

[Guest guest]

Mark:

 

Yes, yes. I beg your pardon. I should have seen that.

The Nag Hammadi discovery is also of relevant import;

yet with regard to what is commonly referred to as

canonical, Gnostic writings were considered heretical.

 

I have read scholarship pieces asserting that Genesis

(especially Genesis 1) is pure Gnosticism; and that

includes the seeming relevant passage Genesis 1:29;

and that brings us back to raw foodism.

 

How's that for circular reasoning?

 

tev

 

--- Mark Hovila <hovila wrote:

 

>

> tev,

>

> Yes, you're right of course. The name " Dead Sea "

> gives it away! I was thinking of another discovery,

> the one in Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945.

>

> Mark

 

 

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Many writings were omitted because they suggested

" contradiction " to a certain orthodoxy; and that is

why they were not canonized.

 

tev

 

--- John de la Garza <john wrote:

 

>

>

> that woudl contradict the Bible, I always thought

> the dead sea scrolls

> didn't contradict anything

 

 

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in my opinion this is made up to suit some agenda

 

This directly contradicts the Bible, which forbids things like eating

rules

 

If this is true the Bible is a hoax or vice versa, I thnk the Bible has

more historically based reasons to believe it is more accurate as a

history book

 

If I was a Christian, I would not think this to be a good thing

 

 

On Jan 28, 2005, at 6:11 AM, Froggy wrote:

 

>

>

>> From http://www.soystache.com/jesus.htm: While there may not be any

> direct references in the Bible by Jesus regarding a vegetarian diet,

> text does exist with Jesus teaching that we should not only be eating

> a vegetarian diet, but that we also should be eating a living-food

> diet (we should not be cooking our food). Jesus certainly taught

> compassion and love, so the thought of Jesus promoting a vegetarian

> diet should not be surprising to us. If you are a follower of Jesus,

> hopefully you will want to read the words he shared with the Essenes,

> found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you are not a follower of Jesus,

> hopefully you will still be interested in his words. You do not need

> to be a follower of Jesus to understand the truth in these scriptures.

>

> " eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed "

>

> " But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food

> which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will

> quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you

> also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always

> death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also.

> And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And

> your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits,

> likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything

> which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and

> rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like

> the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen,

> and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing.

> And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in

> his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat,

> paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you

> truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with

> the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls

> also. "

>

> I don't particularly believe he said this, but it's good stuff. So

> stay away from frozen food too. However, I don't eat raw wheat.

>

> " It is the fire which blazes outside your body, which is hotter than

> your blood. With that fire of death you cook your foods in your homes

> and in your fields. I tell you truly, it is the same fire which

> destroys your foods and your bodies, even as the fire of malice,

> which ravages your thoughts, ravages your spirits. For your body is

> that which you eat, and your spirit is that which you think. Eat

> nothing, therefore, which a stronger fire than the fire of life has

> killed. Wherefore, prepare and eat all fruits of trees, and all

> grasses of the fields, and afl milk of beasts good for eating. For

> all these are fed and ripened by the fire of life; all are the gift

> of the angels of our Earthly Mother. But eat nothing to which only

> the fire of death gives savor, for such is of Satan. "

>

> A cooked eating mentality does promote other awful acts of human

> nature. But I stay away from the milk of other animals.

>

> " Eat, therefore, all your life at the table of our Earthly Mother,

> and you will never see want. And when you eat at her table, eat all

> things even as they are found on the table of the Earthly Mother.

> Cook not, neither mix all things one with another, lest your bowels

> become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in

> the eyes of the Lord. "

>

> Yea, no food combining, whatever that means. I just eat one food

> item at time. I eat more than one food at a particular meal, though,

> but I see no need to mix my salad materials.

>

> rawfood , " Graeme " <kimonokraken> wrote:

>>

>>

>> Hello!

>>

>> I have heard in some quarters that the essene gospel is a hoax. I

>> have to say, I've read some of it, and it DOES read like a fake.

> Not

>> sure if I can explain why, but something seems too contrived about

> it.

>> Read it yourself and see what you think.

>>

>> That said, I do agree with its advice, in the main. And besides, we

>> shouldn't need ancient documents, fake or otherwise, to back up the

>> already strong case for raw food diets. In fact any fake info,

>> untruths, or half-truths should be avoided, as they will just

>> discredit the movement.

>>

>> Love and light,

>>

>> Graeme x

>

 

[Guest guest]

Paul was a Christian and promoted the religion zealously according to

the Bible

Why do you say he had his own religion?

 

>

> rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote:

>>

>>

>> As to Paul, well he made up his own religion, didn't

>> he?

>>

>> As to me, I was born and raised a Catholic. I went to

>> a Catholic school--Sunday School, church every Sunday.

>> I am no longer a Catholic. I have studied much (incl.,

>> of course, the bible). I used to consider myself a

>> Christian; but now I ask: Christian? What is that? It

>> is answered very differently by those who call

>> themselves Christians. (Which form of Christianity

>> would I be disagreeing with here?)

>>

>> Do " I " practice what is traditionally meant by

>> Christianity? No.

>>

>> How's that for a towering babble?

>>

>> tev

>

 

[Guest guest]

it wasn't one of his teachings though or a mandate

 

 

On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Steven wrote:

 

>

>

> I believe Jesus may have been a vegetarian but did eat some of the

> thongs

> the people he hung out with because he didn’t want to appear holier

> than

> thou! Hard to save the world when you don’t play the world music…just

> my 2¢

> worth

>

>

>

>

> John de la Garza [john]

> Friday, January 28, 2005 2:16 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: Ponderings on historical raw events

>

>

>

> it says what it says, why do I need an interpretation? some things are

> very simple

>

>

>

> I'm sorry if I am being harsh, I don't even know why I'm making an

> issue of it, I am not a Christian. If just bugs me when I see

> contradiction.

>

> to me it seems like a contradiction

>

> Jesus fed people cooked bread and fish, I really believe he didn't make

> an issue of food I think he had more non physical ideas

>

> it seems to me that he was about making it to heaven not necessarily

> being health

>

> what I mean is I don't think he was a nutrition teacher

>

> please don't take this as an attack, just debating

> On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:18 PM, terry wrote:

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>> Read Gabriel Cousens " Conscious Eating " , chapter 18 ... explains

>> this whole issue.

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>> terry

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>> rawfood , " Froggy " <seconaphim> wrote:

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>>> A quote from the Urantia Book, www.urantia.com, a much better

>> source

>>> for the teachings of Jesus than the Dead Sea Scrolls or the gospel

>> of

>>> the Essenes or the Bible for that matter:

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>>> P.1712 - §5 Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He

>>> said: " But hearken to me all of you. It is not that which enters

>> into

>>> the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which

>>> proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart. " But even the

>> apostles

>>> failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter

>> also

>>> asked him: " Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended,

>>> would you explain to us the meaning of these words? " And then said

>>> Jesus to Peter:

>>> P.1713 - §0 " Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that

>>> every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be

>> rooted

>>> up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You

>>> cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are

>> blind

>>> guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall

>>> fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth

>> concerning

>>> those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men.

>> I

>>> declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains

>>> access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the

>> man.

>>> Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the

>>> heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such

>>> unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there

>> come

>>> forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and

>>> adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge,

>> railings,

>>> and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and

>>> not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands. "

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>>> rawfood , " John de la Garza " <john@j...>

>> wrote:

>>>> Jesus's saying of its not what goes in that makes us bad or Pauls

>>>> teaching of eat what ever you want. Paul even talks about don't

>>> make

>>>> pepole who don't eat meat eat meat, understand that they arn't

>>> ready.

>>>> This is paraphrased but he implies they lack full understanding.

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