Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I know many of you don't like this subject, but this subject does go right along with the raw diet and good health. It is not OT. As a matter of a fact, on the bowel cleansing list there are people who are coming over to this list now because they know that they need to put good raw food back in clean bodies, but did not understand the full concept so perpetuated the cycle of cleansing and illness by eating improperly. I understand that some of you don't agree with me that sick people may need more than just the raw diet (if they are still sick after eating raw for a while). Those who oppose bowel cleansing, have arguments that seem to hold water, but you have not experienced the relief some of us have... so I don't blame you for seeing things this way. I want to thank Bruce for his support and offer hope to those who have asked for the recipe that I offered, then posted by request. I was beginning to wonder if I'd made a mistake by offering the bowel cleanse information to this list, but with much thought since I know that I have been doing what is right for me...all I can do is offer support to others looking for further answers to sickness. I don't think the colemas are something that need to be done often, but as a part of the removal of the plaque impactions along with the cleanse protocol. As I said before, I had done many various cleanses, Jensen's cleanse and many colemas but NEVER with the results that I had recently after a month of raw eating! There is no doubt in my mind that the raw food loosened that stuff and that the cleanse released it right away within a 5 day period. The fact that I took the effort do really do a " visual " with what I eliminated, has shown me what I saw was the poison that WAS in there making me sick! Yes, it's real. I'd say that if a person eating raw is still having symptoms that make them ill, then this cleanse will help them get cleaned out much more quickly so the good food can really nourish them instead of being hindered by the toxins that are fighting and competing with the good raw food...so those interested in feeling better can do so faster. I understand that this form of cleansing is not a pleasant idea and may be too " invasive " for some and thought to be dangerous by others or addictive. I believe the people who feel this way have not really had the experience that those of use who have found relief will share... bowel cleansing with psyllium/clay/apple juice/supplements and colemas is a quick means to removing putrid matter that causes pain and disease. If one is on a raw diet this bowel cleansing does NOT need to be a lifestyle, but a means to an end as they compliment each other. I have taken the chance of giving personal testimony on a taboo subject in hopes others can find the relief I have. I believe once a person is clean inside and the pain is gone that all we need is good organic raw food. Once the detox from the cleanse is gone all we will need is raw food, exercise, and to have our spiritual house in order. Perhaps raw food only, would remove all this diseased matter over a period of (I dont know how much) time without the bowel cleansing...but why wait if you are ill? Diana of Dewberry Hill Bruce shared some good information: There are 27 images from Dr. Jensen's book " TISSUE CLEANSING THROUGH BOWEL MANAGEMENT " available for viewing here: http://curezone.com/image_gallery/bowelcleanse/002/ The entire book has been made available online by curezone: http://curezone.com/books/online/bowel/default.asp .. All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I like this subject, I think it goes right along with raw food eating. I hope everyone puts good, raw food into their bodies. Many may need much more than just the raw diet, perfectly understandable. I would love to clean out my insides, I'm just leary of putting anything in my body that's not raw produce, might set me off into non- raw eating again. Having our spiritual house in order is the most important thing. Rich rawfood , Diana of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078> wrote: > I know many of you don't like this subject, but this subject does go right along with the raw diet and good health. It is not OT. As a matter of a fact, on the bowel cleansing list there are people who are coming over to this list now because they know that they need to put good raw food back in clean bodies, but did not understand the full concept so perpetuated the cycle of cleansing and illness by eating improperly. I understand that some of you don't agree with me that sick people may need more than just the raw diet (if they are still sick after eating raw for a while). Those who oppose bowel cleansing, have arguments that seem to hold water, but you have not experienced the relief some of us have... so I don't blame you for seeing things this way. I want to thank Bruce for his support and offer hope to those who have asked for the recipe that I offered, then posted by request. I was beginning to wonder if I'd made a mistake by offering the bowel cleanse information to this > list, but with much thought since I know that I have been doing what is right for me...all I can do is offer support to others looking for further answers to sickness. I don't think the colemas are something that need to be done often, but as a part of the removal of the plaque impactions along with the cleanse protocol. As I said before, I had done many various cleanses, Jensen's cleanse and many colemas but NEVER with the results that I had recently after a month of raw eating! There is no doubt in my mind that the raw food loosened that stuff and that the cleanse released it right away within a 5 day period. The fact that I took the effort do really do a " visual " with what I eliminated, has shown me what I saw was the poison that WAS in there making me sick! Yes, it's real. I'd say that if a person eating raw is still having symptoms that make them ill, then this cleanse will help them get cleaned out much more quickly so the good food can really nourish them instead of being > hindered by the toxins that are fighting and competing with the good raw food...so those interested in feeling better can do so faster. I understand that this form of cleansing is not a pleasant idea and may be too " invasive " for some and thought to be dangerous by others or addictive. I believe the people who feel this way have not really had the experience that those of use who have found relief will share... > bowel cleansing with psyllium/clay/apple juice/supplements and colemas is a quick means to removing putrid matter that causes pain and disease. If one is on a raw diet this bowel cleansing does NOT need to be a lifestyle, but a means to an end as they compliment each other. I have taken the chance of giving personal testimony on a taboo subject in hopes others can find the relief I have. I believe once a person is clean inside and the pain is gone that all we need is good organic raw food. Once the detox from the cleanse is gone all we will need is raw food, exercise, and to have our spiritual house in order. Perhaps raw food only, would remove all this diseased matter over a period of (I dont know how much) time without the bowel cleansing...but why wait if you are ill? > > Diana of Dewberry Hill > > Bruce shared some good information: > There are 27 images from Dr. Jensen's book > " TISSUE CLEANSING THROUGH BOWEL MANAGEMENT " > available for viewing here: > http://curezone.com/image_gallery/bowelcleanse/002/ > > The entire book has been made available online by curezone: > http://curezone.com/books/online/bowel/default.asp > > > > > . > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 rawfood , " Siviax3 " <siviax3@c...> wrote: > > Diana, I didn't comment on the cleansing thread earlier, but don't think I > wasn't paying a lot of attention to it! I agree that it was not off-topic. > It goes right along with the raw diet, I think. Ditto for me, Diana. I did some colon cleansing back when I first switched to raw, and I'm glad I did it. At this point, I don't think it's right for me, but I'd still recommend it to people with illnesses or who are really cleansing their bodies. Who knows, maybe I still need to do it, but I don't see the symptoms right now! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I agree; what has been surprising me is how eating raw affects how I am in all areas of my life, including the spiritual. I find myself wondering if all those dark days were more a result of roast beef! It's not that all internal problems have simply disappeared, but I feel much more able to come to them in a more sane way, if you know what I mean; not as much crisis-orientation in my life as there used to be. I don't miss all the internal chaos! Peace, Valerie Rawist <seconaphim wrote: I'm just leary of putting anything in my body that's not raw produce, might set me off into non- raw eating again. Having our spiritual house in order is the most important thing. Rich The all-new My – What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Diana, I didn't comment on the cleansing thread earlier, but don't think I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it! I agree that it was not off-topic. It goes right along with the raw diet, I think. You make some good points, and I happen to agree that the sooner a person's body can fully and easily take in nutrients, the better. The idea of the cleanse is a good one, although I have to admit to being hesitant to do it. Just " one of those things, " you know? Thankfully, I don't have a disease that required the change in diet; I simply chose this on my own. I'm glad you shared the cleanse information, and certainly I will be holding onto it for future reference. Carolyn - " Diana of Dewberry Hill " <cozad76078 I know many of you don't like this subject, but this subject does go right along with the raw diet and good health. It is not OT. As a matter of a fact, on the bowel cleansing list there are people who are coming over to this list now because they know that they need to put good raw food back in clean bodies, but did not understand the full concept so perpetuated the cycle of cleansing and illness by eating improperly. [snip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 In spite of all the mental/physical difficulties in staying raw, there is an overall calm feeling to my environment that can't be experienced eating any other way. I don't feel confused, chaotic and scared, like I do eating cooked, there's just a lot of emotional energy that has to be felt and the rebellion to the diet has to be let go of. There's darkness in the days of anxiety eating cooked, and the potential for a light feeling in becomeing comfortable eating raw. Rich rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly> wrote: > I agree; what has been surprising me is how eating raw affects how I am in all areas of my life, including the spiritual. I find myself wondering if all those dark days were more a result of roast beef! It's not that all internal problems have simply disappeared, but I feel much more able to come to them in a more sane way, if you know what I mean; not as much crisis-orientation in my life as there used to be. I don't miss all the internal chaos! > > Peace, > Valerie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Just for balance. I've been really sick, (cancer, lupus) and I am not going to do the colonic thing,...for now. But I may at some other point. I'd like to see my body does this on it's own. I have lost about 17 pounds in the three months since I started, so my body is cleaning out something. I'm open to all points of view. It was just beginning to sound like everyone was on one side of this issue. Yours in health Lane - sseuser rawfood Saturday, January 08, 2005 1:43 PM Re: [Raw Food] Bowel Cleansing rawfood , " Siviax3 " <siviax3@c...> wrote: > > Diana, I didn't comment on the cleansing thread earlier, but don't think I > wasn't paying a lot of attention to it! I agree that it was not off-topic. > It goes right along with the raw diet, I think. Ditto for me, Diana. I did some colon cleansing back when I first switched to raw, and I'm glad I did it. At this point, I don't think it's right for me, but I'd still recommend it to people with illnesses or who are really cleansing their bodies. Who knows, maybe I still need to do it, but I don't see the symptoms right now! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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