Super Size Me

October 18, 2004

Saw it a few months ago. Yes, it is good; however how are you going to get

them there?

Shari

October 18, 2004

I borrowed the DVD from Netflix and I guess you can also get it from

Blockbuster. I forced my son

to watch it but that's difficult to do with adults.

M

Saw it a few months ago. Yes, it is good; however how are you going to

get

them there?

Shari

October 18, 2004

I didn't see this movie, but I thought it's about obesity, which means about

junk food eating. I do have meat-eater friend but he is not overweight, he is

very healthy, his blood pressure 110/70, and incredible amount of energy, I even

checked his urine pH in the morning a few times and it was always 6.4. And this

is what I just can’t explain. I am eating raw fruits and vegetable and my urine

is toooo acidic in the morning (less than 5.5), and his is just perfect. How can

it be?

Milarepa <milarepa wrote:Just curious, has anyone seen the movie

" Super Size Me " yet? If you have

any

carnivorous friends this would be an excellent way to educate them.

M

October 18, 2004

I'm not a nutritionist but it seems to me that the key principle of any diet

is balance

and moderation. I have friends who eat only raw foods and they look to me

like concentration

camp victims. They look emaciated. I also know some meat eaters who are

healthy and vigorous. I also remember an interesting anomaly named Walter

Stack. Walter was a landmark in San Francisco for decades. I used to drive

to work over the Golden Gate bridge every morning and I would see him

jogging across the bridge wearing only running shorts and shoes. He would

run everyday of the year, hot weather, rain, fog, drizzle, frost...every

day. He used to then jump into the cold bay for a swim. He was famous in

SF and was in his 70's when I used to see him. The interesting anomaly is

that he ate a typical American diet, drank a lot of scotch and smoked

cigars. When he ran marathons like the Bay to Breakers he would drink beer

along the way and throw the cans as he ran.

Speaking of anomalies, there is the Inuit tribe of Eskimos who live on whale

fat, fatty seal meat and fish. No veggies, no fruits, no raw food and yet

they are healthy and have a healthy balance of vitamins. Go figure.

I'm going in a roundabout way to my point which is that there is no single

perfect diet. The best diet is the one we can eat and stay healthy on and

this is different for everyone. This was a difficult discovery for me to

accept since I was a hardcore vegan for 15 years. I think we need to

experiment and try different approaches to see what works best. In my

opinion, there is no panacea when it comes to diet. The best diet for

anyone is the one their body thrives on and I suspect there is a genetic

component to this.

I try to eat as much raw foods as possible because it makes me feel good. I

also eat cooked foods and include meat and eggs on occasion. I may go more

or full raw if and when I can see that it's a healthy option. Each to his,

or her, own.

M

I didn't see this movie, but I thought it's about obesity, which means about

junk food eating. I do have meat-eater friend but he is not overweight, he

is very healthy, his blood pressure 110/70, and incredible amount of energy,

I even checked his urine pH in the morning a few times and it was always

6.4. And this is what I just can’t explain. I am eating raw fruits and

vegetable and my urine is toooo acidic in the morning (less than 5.5), and

his is just perfect. How can it be?

Milarepa <milarepa wrote:Just curious, has anyone seen the

movie " Super Size Me " yet? If you have

any

carnivorous friends this would be an excellent way to educate them.

M

October 19, 2004

Yeah, it's hard to educate someone who eats meat but appears to be

healthier than you. The other main factor is heredity. Someone who

has inherited a strong constitution can get away with an inferior

diet. There may be other factors besides diet contributing to the

acid urine. That's something an expert health professional would

have to address.

RawSeattle , viola <Viola816> wrote:

>

> I didn't see this movie, but I thought it's about obesity, which

means about junk food eating. I do have meat-eater friend but he is

not overweight, he is very healthy, his blood pressure 110/70, and

incredible amount of energy, I even checked his urine pH in the

morning a few times and it was always 6.4. And this is what I just

can't explain. I am eating raw fruits and vegetable and my urine is

toooo acidic in the morning (less than 5.5), and his is just perfect.

How can it be?

>

October 19, 2004

And... we will never know what someone's health would have been had

he been on a different diet. Some may say the same about vegans or

raw foodists, and it's true. I Certainly don't know what my health

would be now had I remained on a diet including meat and dairy. I do

know on that diet I had a variety of illnesses, which went away with

my diet changes. I imagine a lifetime on the medications keeping

those symptoms in check would have also had an effect on my health.

Jeff

>Yeah, it's hard to educate someone who eats meat but appears to be

>healthier than you. The other main factor is heredity. Someone who

>has inherited a strong constitution can get away with an inferior

>diet. There may be other factors besides diet contributing to the

>acid urine. That's something an expert health professional would

>have to address.

October 19, 2004

Jeff:

Excellent point. Our culture has an absurd passion for taking drugs for

symptoms

brought on by poor diet. Imagine, prescriptions for acid indigestion

medication are

the most common. The cure? Stop eating crap and start eating a healthy

diet.

It's really a bit insane, isn't it?

M

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Jeff Rogers [jeff]

Monday, October 18, 2004 9:38 PM

RawSeattle

[RawSeattle] Re: Super Size Me

And... we will never know what someone's health would have been had

he been on a different diet. Some may say the same about vegans or

raw foodists, and it's true. I Certainly don't know what my health

would be now had I remained on a diet including meat and dairy. I do

know on that diet I had a variety of illnesses, which went away with

my diet changes. I imagine a lifetime on the medications keeping

those symptoms in check would have also had an effect on my health.

Jeff

October 19, 2004

And in a similar vein... I just got off the phone with a vegan friend

who is in the cardiac ward of a hospital. He had requested a vegan

meal. They brought him turkey breast with gravy and mashed potatoes!

They actually had to search and found a boca burger for him. Seems

the menu in a cardiac ward should at least be low fat! I guess

healthier foods won't keep the patients coming back. Of course the

doctors are probably planning what kind of surgery and medications

they can offer, but never mind nutritional advice or therapy.

Jeff

>Excellent point. Our culture has an absurd passion for taking drugs for

>symptoms

>brought on by poor diet. Imagine, prescriptions for acid indigestion

>medication are

>the most common. The cure? Stop eating crap and start eating a healthy

>diet.

>It's really a bit insane, isn't it?

October 19, 2004

My Junk Email filter thought the subject " Super Size Me " was an ad for penis

enlargement.

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Jeff Rogers

RawSeattle

Monday, October 18, 2004 9:37 PM

[RawSeattle] Re: Super Size Me

And... we will never know what someone's health would have been had

he been on a different diet. Some may say the same about vegans or

raw foodists, and it's true. I Certainly don't know what my health

would be now had I remained on a diet including meat and dairy. I do

know on that diet I had a variety of illnesses, which went away with

my diet changes. I imagine a lifetime on the medications keeping

those symptoms in check would have also had an effect on my health.

Jeff

>Yeah, it's hard to educate someone who eats meat but appears to be

>healthier than you. The other main factor is heredity. Someone who

>has inherited a strong constitution can get away with an inferior

>diet. There may be other factors besides diet contributing to the

>acid urine. That's something an expert health professional would

>have to address.

October 19, 2004

Good morning,

This being a free country, we are all able to choose what we eat according to

what we learn/guess is best for us. Our local newspaper has a weekly health

section that is actually quite good. This week it showed the results of a study

aimed at finding out which " alternative " choices are most popular among the

population. Deliberate diet choices were at the bottom, embraced by only 3.5%

of the population. Surprisingly prayer led the study at 43%. My first reaction

was that this was about what I would expect, if you eat like it doesn't matter

you BETTER pray that you stay healthy because nothing else will help. My more

rational reaction, along with local experience, is that so many people have

bought into the theory that heredity is the main determinant of long-time health

when in fact it is only about 25% responsible. The rest is the result of diet,

fitness and healthy personal relationships. (This last is based on comments by

Dr. John Gottman, a couples counselor at the UW who also writes and lectures

nationally.)

My take on this is that you can show others that diet choices affect health, but

you shouldn't let it negatively influence your personal relationships.

You can read the article at:

http://www.dominionpost.com/a/life/2004/10/17/ae/

It is syndicated so it was probably in other papers as well.

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

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Jeff Rogers

RawSeattle

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:37 AM

RE: [RawSeattle] Re: Super Size Me