Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Re: Ron’s 10/7 post Ron does remind us of the brain-washing that most people experience. About a decade ago I began looking differently at colds and flues. I believe things in life happen for a reason and pondered what the reason is for colds and flues. I realize my body has an amazing ability to heal itself and to cleanse toxins from the itself. It occurred to me that in this modern toxic world, my body may not be able to keep up and may need help. I speculated my body’s use of a cold or flu is actually a symbiotic relationship and that the cold/flu symptoms helped the body to purge toxins (sweat, runny nose, sneezing, fever, bronchitis symptoms, etc.) I further thought, if that is the case, how can I best help this situation? After that, when I would experience the beginning symptoms of a flu, I would eat very lightly, if at all. I would drink more water to help my body flush. Sometimes I would do a juice “fast.” My flues were trimmed down to a few days, sometimes overnight or a few hours. After going raw, I stopped experiencing the colds and flues, which supports the theory I came up with years ago. Since being raw, I’ve come to learn of others with similar or parallel theories. Natural Hygienists and others suggest there is no disease, just symptoms created by the body. That made sense to me, and helped support my theory. If the body has no need for the symptoms, then we do not “catch” the “flu!” Regarding the flu shot. I had one or maybe two flu shots in my life. The last one may have been 15 or more years ago. Besides a sore arm from the shot, I don’t recall any impact on my health. I certainly would not get one now. In a similar topic, a new flu scare is on the horizon. BIRD FLU! This flu has been picking up steam, wiping out birds by the flock, tens of millions culled. Now it is affecting other animals. Over 30 humans have died from the flu, 1 suspected of human-to-human transmission. An article today reports 30 tigers at a zoo in Thailand have died from the flu. They plan to kill 30 more which are sick with the disease. The biggest fear is what happens when the virus mutates and human to human transmission becomes common. It may have severe consequences on world health. Michael Greger, M.D. has an interesting article on the subject: AR-News: BIRD FLU: Meateaters Put the Entire World at Risk by Michael Greger, M.D. http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20040223/020109.html Now… how will this affect us??? Who knows? I do know that I am not worrying about it. I’m not interested in “modern science’s” flu shots. Science is watching the disease and will try to find a strain they can use for inoculations. I also know that, as a raw foodist, I have not even come close to having a cold or flu. I have not had a flu since January 2000. I used to “catch” several flues per year and had many other occasions where I came close to having a flu (symptoms started, then disappeared after fasting, etc.) From my own experiences with flues (or lack of them) and dietary changes, I realize I am in the best shape for handling “flues” than I ever was. If people all around me have been experiencing colds and flues for the past several years and I get none of the symptoms, then I can’t help to think that if/when there is a world-wide epidemic of a human version of bird flu, raw foodists are in far better condition to avoid the symptoms, or at least the most severe symptoms. I certainly don’t fully understand the whole scheme of things and don’t know how we will be affected. I realize there is a virus at the center of this disease. So, how does this fit in to the idea that there is no disease, only symptoms? Perhaps my original theory has some truth in it. Perhaps the idea of a “strong immune system” explains it. It’s certainly interesting to think about. Any thoughts??? Nora, what are your thoughts? Jeff > ------- > [RawSeattle] The dreaded flu > Thu, October 07, 2004 7:52 am > > Once again, front and center in the news has been is that the dreaded > flu season is upon us, and how scared everybody is because there is a > shortage of flu shots. While the general public is of the opinion > that flu shots offer great protection against this dreaded flu, in > reality you don't know what is being injected directly into your > bloodstream and what effect it has on your body. I have never had a > shot, and only can recall having a bad case of the flu only once in > my life. It usually hits me so slightly that it doesn't even affect > me. The bottom line is: don't get caught up in the worry, it's all > in your head. > > Ron Koenig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hi Jeff, Well a discussion of bird flu would necessitate opening that gigantic can of worms known as the germ theory , so maybe I should just direct you to the essay on my website that tackles this topic: <http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm>. Suffice to say that raw fooders need have no fear of 'catching' 'bird flu' or any other invention of the pharmaceutical cartel. Actually nobody needs fear 'catching' disease, because disease is not 'caught' (as you know). What typically happens when people die of " flu " is they're already sick with degenerative conditions for which they take lots of drugs and when they get acute symptoms they stifle them with drugs as well, and they leave their bodies no options for eliminating all the accumulating poisonous waste. The body becomes saturated in waste, organs fail, and death is the result. Hope this helps. Nora jeff wrote: > Re: Ron’s 10/7 post > > Ron does remind us of the brain-washing that most people experience. > About a decade ago I began looking differently at colds and flues. I > believe things in life happen for a reason and pondered what the reason > is for colds and flues. I realize my body has an amazing ability to heal > itself and to cleanse toxins from the itself. It occurred to me that in > this modern toxic world, my body may not be able to keep up and may > need help. I speculated my body’s use of a cold or flu is actually a > symbiotic relationship and that the cold/flu symptoms helped the body > to purge toxins (sweat, runny nose, sneezing, fever, bronchitis > symptoms, etc.) I further thought, if that is the case, how can I best > help this situation? After that, when I would experience the beginning > symptoms of a flu, I would eat very lightly, if at all. I would drink > more water to help my body flush. Sometimes I would do a juice “fast.” > My flues were trimmed down to a few days, sometimes overnight or a few > hours. After going raw, I stopped experiencing the colds and flues, > which supports the theory I came up with years ago. Since being raw, > I’ve come to learn of others with similar or parallel theories. Natural > Hygienists and others suggest there is no disease, just symptoms created > by the body. That made sense to me, and helped support my theory. If the > body has no need for the symptoms, then we do not “catch” the “flu!” > > Regarding the flu shot. I had one or maybe two flu shots in my life. The > last one may have been 15 or more years ago. Besides a sore arm from the > shot, I don’t recall any impact on my health. I certainly would not get > one now. > > In a similar topic, a new flu scare is on the horizon. BIRD FLU! This > flu has been picking up steam, wiping out birds by the flock, tens of > millions culled. Now it is affecting other animals. Over 30 humans have > died from the flu, 1 suspected of human-to-human transmission. An > article today reports 30 tigers at a zoo in Thailand have died from the > flu. They plan to kill 30 more which are sick with the disease. The > biggest fear is what happens when the virus mutates and human to human > transmission becomes common. It may have severe consequences on world > health. Michael Greger, M.D. has an interesting article on the subject: > AR-News: BIRD FLU: Meateaters Put the Entire World at Risk by Michael > Greger, M.D. > http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20040223/020109.html > > Now… how will this affect us??? Who knows? I do know that I am not > worrying about it. I’m not interested in “modern science’s” flu shots. > Science is watching the disease and will try to find a strain they can > use for inoculations. I also know that, as a raw foodist, I have not > even come close to having a cold or flu. I have not had a flu since > January 2000. I used to “catch” several flues per year and had many > other occasions where I came close to having a flu (symptoms started, > then disappeared after fasting, etc.) From my own experiences with > flues (or lack of them) and dietary changes, I realize I am in the best > shape for handling “flues” than I ever was. If people all around me have > been experiencing colds and flues for the past several years and I get > none of the symptoms, then I can’t help to think that if/when there is > a world-wide epidemic of a human version of bird flu, raw foodists are > in far better condition to avoid the symptoms, or at least the most > severe symptoms. I certainly don’t fully understand the whole scheme of > things and don’t know how we will be affected. I realize there is a > virus at the center of this disease. So, how does this fit in to the > idea that there is no disease, only symptoms? Perhaps my original > theory has some truth in it. Perhaps the idea of a “strong immune > system” explains it. It’s certainly interesting to think about. > > Any thoughts??? Nora, what are your thoughts? > > Jeff > > > ------- > > [RawSeattle] The dreaded flu > > Thu, October 07, 2004 7:52 am > > > > Once again, front and center in the news has been is that the dreaded > > flu season is upon us, and how scared everybody is because there is a > > shortage of flu shots. While the general public is of the opinion > > that flu shots offer great protection against this dreaded flu, in > > reality you don't know what is being injected directly into your > > bloodstream and what effect it has on your body. I have never had a > > shot, and only can recall having a bad case of the flu only once in > > my life. It usually hits me so slightly that it doesn't even affect > > me. The bottom line is: don't get caught up in the worry, it's all > > in your head. > > > > Ron Koenig > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nora, Thanks for the info. Yes, I agree with much of what you have written and you reminded my of the vaccine factor. The one part that I haven't quite understood, is how so many people get ill at the same time. Disease seems to " spread " , sometimes like wild fire, and people fall ill in turn, like dominos. That part does seem to support the illusion of the " virus " theory. " They " certainly do have quite a system of fear set up, which is demonstrated by hundreds, even thousands, of people waiting in line for vaccines, or travelling to Canada. So, if there is an " outbreak " of the flu (bird or otherwise) your writing suggests that it is caused by the vaccinations. I wouldn't be surprised, but is there information, verifying that? I'm just thinking that if tens of millions of people die from a " plague " someone would figure out they all had vaccinations. Of course in the early 1900's they did not have a phone and computer in every home, so people could not easily share such information. A lot of such information was probably buried with the " flu " victims. Jeff >Hi Jeff, >Well a discussion of bird flu would necessitate opening that >gigantic can of worms >known as the germ theory , so maybe I should just direct you to >the essay on my >website that tackles this topic: ><<http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm>http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm>. >Suffice to say that raw fooders need have no fear of 'catching' >'bird flu' or any >other invention of the pharmaceutical cartel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hi Jeff, The germ theory makes sense because our minds constantly strive to align our experiences with our beliefs. I used to work in an office where people would start talking about how 'everyone' had the flu if a handful of people called in sick at the same time. " Yeah, it's really going around " , we'd say. We never bothered to question why there were always more people who *didn't* get sick. It would never occur to us to question the unquestioned germ theory because nobody ever told us it was only an unproven (and unprovable) hypothesis. If we were taught the truth in as many subconscious and insidious ways as the germ theory is reinforced to us, we might note how many people don't get sick and say " yeah, there are definitely some holes in that germ theory " . And, when you clean up your habits as much as we (raw fooders) have and you discover that you don't get sick no matter how many sick people you're exposed to, it provides further evidence that the germ theory is bogus. But then there's the scapegoat called the " immune system " that was invented to explain why some people don't get sick. The problem with this is that it ignores the true cause of disease -- the accumulation of waste in the body. If the waste is there to the extent that it interferes with the functioning of the body and the regular channels of elimination can't handle it all, symptoms are the result. The point at which symptoms show up will be different in every body, because there are many factors that determine this, including whether a body has enough vitality to produce them. Some people don't seem to get colds or flus at all in spite of their unhealthy lifestyles, but this is not necessarily a good thing. I heard yesterday that January and February are the biggest months for the " flu " . What a relief that the government will be getting more vaccines for us from Canada just in time! Now we can sleep at night eh. Ha, ha. What's really happening w/ the flu thing in Jan/Feb is we spend November and December stuffing ourselves with harmful 'foods', breathing bad air (we're inside most of the time), wearing lots of clothes (so our skin can't 'breathe'), not getting enough sunshine or exercise, overstressing ourselves because of family and financial matters associated with the holidays, etc. And then when our bodies get overburdened and we get minor acute symptoms like 'colds', naturally we can't miss more work with all these other activities going on so we take drugs to suppress our symptoms. Suppressing minor acute symptoms only forces the body to resort to major acute symptoms, like those associated with the 'flu'. So it is not too hard to figure out why people end up with the flu in January and February. If they didn't, then we'd have a *real* mystery on our hands. I wasn't saying vaccination causes disease, although it is a contributing factor of course, since it adds to the body's eliminative burden in those who submit to them. I've heard it theorized that the reason vaccines seem to 'work' in preventing the flu is because they decrease the body's overall vitality and thus lower its ability to expunge wastes via symptoms. This is a bad thing, of course, but it is regarded as a good thing by the backwards medical community. But then there are also the stats that show the incidence of disease actually increases after vaccination, like has happened with certain diseases in the past. I know there are many examples people can present that they believe are evidence of the germ theory. It IS hard to accept that it isn't true when we're so surrounded by people who believe in it. But when you start to understand the big picture, you have to decide whether it's more plausible that large numbers of people can be wrong, or that disease really is a mysterious, unpredictable, evil entity waiting to pounce (rather than a perfectly logical, understandable, observable, cumulative process). It's definitely not the latter so it has to be that people are just wrong. It used to be 'common knowledge' that the earth was flat, too. Does this help? Nora www.RawSchool.com Jeff Rogers wrote: > Nora, > > Thanks for the info. Yes, I agree with much of what you have written > and you reminded my of the vaccine factor. The one part that I > haven't quite understood, is how so many people get ill at the same > time. Disease seems to " spread " , sometimes like wild fire, and people > fall ill in turn, like dominos. That part does seem to support the > illusion of the " virus " theory. " They " certainly do have quite a > system of fear set up, which is demonstrated by hundreds, even > thousands, of people waiting in line for vaccines, or travelling to > Canada. > > So, if there is an " outbreak " of the flu (bird or otherwise) your > writing suggests that it is caused by the vaccinations. I wouldn't be > surprised, but is there information, verifying that? I'm just > thinking that if tens of millions of people die from a " plague " > someone would figure out they all had vaccinations. Of course in the > early 1900's they did not have a phone and computer in every home, so > people could not easily share such information. A lot of such > information was probably buried with the " flu " victims. > > Jeff > > >Hi Jeff, > >Well a discussion of bird flu would necessitate opening that > >gigantic can of worms > >known as the germ theory , so maybe I should just direct you to > >the essay on my > >website that tackles this topic: > ><<http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm>http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm>. > >Suffice to say that raw fooders need have no fear of 'catching' > >'bird flu' or any > >other invention of the pharmaceutical cartel. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Personally I think these scares are another way that people are becoming increasingly dependant upon the government to take care of them. (And that is a really scary thought for a supposedly free society, letting the government take care of us!) Certainly the immune system needs to be healthy, but it is built up from what we assimilate in our diet. And if the channels of elimination are not working properly, the backed up waste will cause auto-intoxication which will produce symptoms. I look at people walking down the street with their big bellies and they don't know it, but they are walking toxic waste sites. The stuff they are carrying around dulls their thinking and saps them of energy and optimism. They are already sick, then they worry about getting something else (like the flu)! Ron RawSeattle , jeff@t... wrote: > In a similar topic, a new flu scare is on the horizon. BIRD FLU! > > Any thoughts??? Nora, what are your thoughts? > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.