RE: Fasting, scientific evidence

December 12, 2004

Hi, Viola and all -

I'm the person who you and your husband visited to see our beekeeping

operation before we moved south. (Our house that you saw no longer exists.)

When I first went raw, I also searched for scientific answers to the claims

that I had heard from those who had been doing raw for a longer time. I

also searched for research about fasting. As a Registered Dietitian, I am

charged with teaching based on scientifically supported information. I

quickly became frustrated, because the " gold standard " research (current,

published in peer-reviewed journals, not based on anecdotal reporting,

repeatable) just wasn't there. I have since come to terms with the fact

that there isn't a big demand for research on rawness or fasting because

there's no money involved, no major products that would benefit from this

research. Since most research today is funded not by private individuals or

government but by money from major corporations (usual pharmaceuticals,

major food corporations who have a vested interest in dairy), their results

(and thus publication) will be driven by disproving any kind of dietary

practice that might cost them customers. Recent reportings in the news have

indeed shown that the sponsoring corporations will either allow or disallow

publication of research findings depending on how they show their products.

In the drive to get the research published, results have been " adjusted " to

allow for that publication. So how can we trust the published studies,

written by people with Ph.D.'s after their names?? Everybody is driven by

money and prestige. If " adjusting " research findings allows a Ph.D. to

publish in a prestigious journal such as JAMA or NEJM, given the " publish or

perish " mentality in academia, who wouldn't do so?

So we do have to look to the older research, the less-documented research,

the anecdotal reporting, and the voices of experience to support our

practices. There has been some research out of Germany and Finland that has

generally been supportive of the raw diet, but concerns have arisen about

vitamin B-12 and dental erosions. As far as fasting is concerned, that has

been practiced since time immemorial, either intentionally for spiritual

cleansing or unintentionally as food shortages arose. I am aware of one MD

who had been taught in medical school that the human body cannot exist for

more than a few days without food. He was suffering from various health

issues that became more severe and was in a great deal of pain and

discomfort, so he decided to " end it all " by not eating. Lo and behold,

after a few days, not only did he not die, but he actually began to feel

better, and better. He continued the fast, and when he eventually resumed

eating, he found that his maladies no longer existed. He then became a

major advocate of fasting. (I'm sure somebody else will provide his name in

this discussion, it escapes me at this time & I don't have time to look it

up this morning.)

I attended a small gathering of dietitians this past week, a social but

professional gathering. Over dinner (I had brought a platter of fresh

seasonal fruit, somebody else actually brought a salad and served the

dressing on the side, so I was able to eat ok) we were discussing " Supersize

Me " . I mentioned that he plans to do a sequel, a 30-day water fast.

Another RD expected that he would die with not eating for that length of

time. Of course, I know better, and I mentioned that fasting is used for

healing, and that I expect he would do just fine. (Of course, the key is to

not do anything else, most people aren't aware of this.)

I read, Viola, that you did have a negative experience with your fast. (Or

maybe it was positive - but just seemed negative at the time.) Was that

your first fasting experience? I would not have done 2 weeks for my first

fast. I would have just done a few days. You did seem to do the

appropriate things - resting instead of carrying on as normal. I really

think that you had an intense healing experience. The cold symptoms that we

experience are actually the body eliminating toxins from the body, I've had

that happen. Consider that these were inside you all this time, and needed

to be eliminated. If you read or hear Victoria's experience with

longer-term fasting, you would hear her stories of tasting built-up chemical

toxins in her body, how she tasted DDT years after being exposed to it as a

child.

So keep up your questioning, Viola, and continue to search for answers. As

long as we all continue these searches, we will all learn, especially as we

discuss our questions and what we learn.

Sue

December 12, 2004

Some excellent information on fasting available can be found at:

http://www.healthpromoting.com/Home/home.htm

Stan

== http://www.stanhoffman.com

December 13, 2004

whoa! what the happy heck is this all about?

Shari

-

viola

RawSeattle ; sue ; stanhoffman ;

mark_blackburn ; aikneada ; shavig ;

ron.koenig

Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:24 PM

RE: [RawSeattle] Fasting, scientific evidence

<DIV>

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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emails, I will try to reply all in one email.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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wrote

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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ask twice.

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " >Shari, I did not send the same

question twice, in fact I didn't expect you to answer that question anyway, that

was just a thought. But if you got my email twice, you can say thanks for that

to Shakti's boyfriend Orion, he is a moderator of the RawSeattle group. Here is

what Shakti & nbsp;wrote to Helen:

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >.She went against my personal request & nbsp;and

as far as I am & nbsp;concerned (and others also), until & nbsp;she can respond

respectfully, her presence within the group requires

moderation.

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & nbsp;

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >, and everybody else,

until that moderation continues, please delete any emails you get

twice.

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & gt; & gt; <TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE:

10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Our lungs and heart are designed to work

24/7 every day we are alive and if they went on vacation we would be dead.

</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Yes Ron, and we are not designed to fast for

several weeks. Fasting is abnormal condition, it's extreme, involving high

stress. </TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;

mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " >

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " > & nbsp;

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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yes " > & nbsp;Sue wrote,

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & gt; & gt; <TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE:

10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >I'm the person who you and your husband

visited to see our beekeeping</TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:

black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > <TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR:

black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >operation before we moved south.</TT><SPAN

style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Hi Sue, sure I remember you, how things are

going on a new place?

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & nbsp;

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " >I used to fast every season

since I was 17 years old, more than 20 years. That was influence from my father.

I had many books, most of them written by Russian, one of them written by two

professors from Moscow fasting hospital. That was my favorite one. Another book

I liked was 'The miracle of fasting' by Paul Bragg. That was translation from

English, and it was printed in nineteen seventies. When I moved to America I

bought that book in English for one of my sick friends. I was very disappointed

to find that that book was revised by a vinegar company on behalf his daughter

Patricia. Paul Bragg did NOT drink Apple Cider Vinegar or Bragg Amino stuff.

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " >Anyway, I used to believe in

miracle of fasting, and I used to suggest fasting to anybody with health

problems. But my last two fasts were so unsuccessful, and I harmed myself much

more than did good, so I will never do it again, nor to advise fasting to

anybody.

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " > & nbsp;

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & gt; & gt;The cold symptoms that

we</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:

Arial " >experience are actually the body eliminating toxins from the

body.</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & nbsp;</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Yes, it's eliminating toxins as a result of

undigested food (ama). When you fly a plane, do you see the emergency exits?

Those exits created not for everyday use, it's in case of extreme situation to

let people to have one more chance to survive if they can't get out from the

normal exit. A healthy person does not have cold symptoms ever. Runny nose

indicates that your body can't eliminate waste the normal way, and is turning on

the survival mechanism (such emergency exit). But when I mentioned my cold, that

was not accumulated ama, that was real flu, with all flu symptoms, and that was

virus infection the result of the weakened immune system.<SPAN

style= " mso-spacerun: yes " > & nbsp; & nbsp; </TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & gt; & gt; we were discussing

" Supersize</TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:

Arial " > <TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:

Arial " >Me " . & nbsp; I mentioned that he plans to do a sequel, a 30-day water

fast.</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & nbsp;</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >I finally had a chance to watch that movie. My

son downloaded it from the internet. That is interesting, they were actually

discussing this movie at school, and he wanted me to watch it. Not sure if the

30-day water fast movie will be so actual. Not many people are practicing

fasting. And those who does, have different health conditions, in particular

kidneys and liver functions, and have different results from fasting. And even

when somebody gets any good results from fasting, all it can be destroyed by a

wrong diet after fasting (getting out from fasting) period, which is usually

should be as long as fasting.</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >You can achieve any cleansing or healing

results without fasting, with just a healthy diet, but you will be sure you are

not destroying your health. The harm you can create by fasting can be

irreversible. </TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Regarding Victoria, this family are lucky,

they got VERY healthy heredity, if I eat like them, a box of donuts in the

morning with a gallon of milk, I will not be able to handle that probably even a

week.</TT>

<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

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<TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Unicode MS' " > & gt; & gt;Some excellent

information on fasting available can be found at.</TT><SPAN

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line-break " > <TT><SPAN

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Arial " ></TT>

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & gt; & gt;Relative contraindications to prolonged fasting

include pregnancy, extreme weakness, inadequate nutrient reserves, some kidney

problems, the use of certain medications, and some types of

cancer.

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial " > & nbsp;

<SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt;

FONT-FAMILY: Arial " >Stan, do you really believe, that by going to a doctor for a

health exam, they can really determine any mentioned health problems? A friend

of mine went to a doctor hundreds times complaining on his digestion, and only

when he already was near death in 4 th stage of cancer, they finally

discovered that he had cancer. And that was by the way a friend I suggested

fasting and bought <SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;

mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt " >Bragg's book for him. But how could I know he had

cancer? I only knew he was sick from everything he ate. <SPAN

style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial " ><BR

style= " mso-special-character: line-break " ><BR style= " mso-special-character:

line-break " ><TT><SPAN style= " FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:

Arial " ></TT>

Sue Aberle

& lt;sue & gt; wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;

BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " ><TT>Hi, Viola and all - I'm the person who

you and your husband visited to see our beekeeping operation before we moved

south. & nbsp; (Our house that you saw no longer exists.) When I first went

raw, I also searched for scientific answers to the claims that I had heard

from those who had been doing raw for a longer time. & nbsp; I also searched

for research about fasting. & nbsp; As a Registered Dietitian, I am charged

with teaching based on scientifically supported information. & nbsp; I quickly

became frustrated, because the " gold standard " research (current, published

in peer-reviewed journals, not based on anecdotal reporting, repeatable) just

wasn't there. & nbsp; I have since come to terms with the fact that there isn't

a big demand for research on rawness or fasting because there's no money

involved, no major products that would benefit from

this research. & nbsp; Since most research today is funded not by private

individuals or government but by money from major corporations (usual

pharmaceuticals, major food corporations who have a vested interest in

dairy), their results (and thus publication) will be driven by disproving any

kind of dietary practice that might cost them customers. & nbsp; Recent

reportings in the news have indeed shown that the sponsoring corporations

will either allow or disallow publication of research findings depending on

how they show their products. In the drive to get the research published,

results have been " adjusted " to allow for that publication. & nbsp; So how can

we trust the published studies, written by people with Ph.D.'s after their

names?? & nbsp; Everybody is driven by money and prestige. & nbsp; If " adjusting "

research findings allows a Ph.D. to publish in a prestigious journal such as

JAMA or NEJM, given the " publish or perish " mentality in !

academia,

who wouldn't do so? So we do have to look to the older research, the

less-documented research, the anecdotal reporting, and the voices of

experience to support our practices. & nbsp; There has been some research out

of Germany and Finland that has generally been supportive of the raw diet,

but concerns have arisen about vitamin B-12 and dental erosions. & nbsp; As far

as fasting is concerned, that has been practiced since time immemorial,

either intentionally for spiritual cleansing or unintentionally as food

shortages arose. & nbsp; I am aware of one MD who had been taught in medical

school that the human body cannot exist for more than a few days without

food. & nbsp; He was suffering from various health issues that became more

severe and was in a great deal of pain and discomfort, so he decided to " end

it all " by not eating. & nbsp; Lo and behold, after a few days, not only did he

not die, but he actually began to feel better, and better. & nbs!

p; He

continued the fast, and when he eventually resumed eating, he found that his

maladies no longer existed. & nbsp; He then became a major advocate of

fasting. & nbsp; (I'm sure somebody else will provide his name in this

discussion, it escapes me at this time & amp; I don't have time to look it up

this morning.) I attended a small gathering of dietitians this past week, a

social but professional gathering. & nbsp; Over dinner (I had brought a platter

of fresh seasonal fruit, somebody else actually brought a salad and served

the dressing on the side, so I was able to eat ok) we were discussing

" Supersize Me " . & nbsp; I mentioned that he plans to do a sequel, a 30-day

water fast. Another RD expected that he would die with not eating for that

length of time. & nbsp; Of course, I know better, and I mentioned that fasting

is used for healing, and that I expect he would do just fine. & nbsp; (Of

course, the key is to not do anything else, most people aren'!

t aware

of this.) I read, Viola, that you did have a negative experience with your

fast. & nbsp; (Or maybe it was positive - but just seemed negative at the

time.) & nbsp; Was that your first fasting experience? & nbsp; I would not have

done 2 weeks for my first fast. & nbsp; I would have just done a few

days. & nbsp; You did seem to do the appropriate things - resting instead of

carrying on as normal. & nbsp; I really think that you had an intense healing

experience. & nbsp; The cold symptoms that we experience are actually the body

eliminating toxins from the body, I've had that happen. & nbsp; Consider that

these were inside you all this time, and needed to be eliminated. & nbsp; If

you read or hear Victoria's experience with longer-term fasting, you would

hear her stories of tasting built-up chemical toxins in her body, how she

tasted DDT years after being exposed to it as a child. So keep up your

questioning, Viola, and continue to search for answers. & nbsp;

As long as we all continue these searches, we will all learn, especially as

we discuss our questions and what we

learn. Sue </TT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

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December 13, 2004

looks like i got virus on my computer. I was typing it from a computer i didn't

use for looong time.

Shari Viger <shavig wrote:

whoa! what the happy heck is this all about?

Shari

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December 14, 2004

Hi Sue, my reply got coded, here is what i was

writing,

I used to fast every season since I was 17 years old,

more than 20 years. That was influence from my father.

I had many books, most of them written by Russian, one

of them written by two professors from Moscow fasting

hospital. That was my favorite one. Another book I

liked was 'The miracle of fasting' by Paul Bragg. That

was translation from English, and it was printed in

nineteen seventies. When I moved to America I bought

that book in English for one of my sick friends. I was

very disappointed to find that that book was revised

by a vinegar company on behalf his daughter Patricia.

Paul Bragg did NOT drink Apple Cider Vinegar or Bragg

Amino stuff.

Anyway, I used to suggest fasting to anybody with

health problems. But my last two fasts were so

unsuccessful, and I harmed myself much more than did

good, so I will never do it again, nor to advise

fasting to anybody.

>>The cold symptoms that we experience are actually

the body eliminating toxins from the body.

Yes, i agree with you, it's eliminating toxins as a

result of undigested food (ama). When you fly a plane,

do you see the emergency exits? Those exits created

not for everyday use, it's in case of extreme

situation to let people to have one more chance to

survive if they can't get out from the normal exit. A

healthy person does not have cold symptoms ever. Runny

nose indicates that your body can't eliminate waste

the normal way, and is turning on the survival

mechanism (such emergency exit). But when I mentioned

my cold, that was not accumulated ama, that was real

flu, with all flu symptoms, and that was virus

infection the result of the weakened immune system.

>> we were discussing " Supersize Me " . I mentioned

that he plans to do a sequel, a 30-day water fast.

I finally had a chance to watch that movie. My son

downloaded it from the internet. That is interesting,

they were actually discussing this movie at school,

and he wanted me to watch it. Not sure if the 30-day

water fast movie will be so actual. Not many people

are practicing fasting. And those who does, have

different health conditions, in particular kidneys and

liver functions, and have different results from

fasting. And even when somebody gets any good results

from fasting, all it can be destroyed by a wrong diet

after fasting (getting out from fasting) period, which

is usually should be as long as fasting.

You can achieve any cleansing or healing results

without fasting, with just a healthy diet, but you

will be sure you are not destroying your health. The

harm you can create by fasting can be irreversible.

Regarding Victoria, this family are lucky, they got

VERY healthy heredity, if I eat like them, a box of

donuts in the morning with a gallon of milk, I will

not be able to handle that probably even a week.

Sue, how are you doing on a new place, did you buy a

house? Do you still have bees?

December 15, 2004

Viola wrote: " Regarding Victoria, this family are lucky, they got VERY

healthy heredity, if I eat like them, a box of donuts in the morning with a

gallon of milk, I will not be able to handle that probably even a week. "

What did you mean by this Viola? To my knowlege Victoria does not eat

donuts or drinks milk.

Shari

December 15, 2004

You can read her books in public library, she was

eating junk food and feeding her kids junk food until

her son almost died in diabetic coma. After that the

whole family switched to raw diet. Sergey (her son)

was 9 years old i believe, and now he is 19. I don't

know how much truth in there, but if the boy was

really diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and now he

doesn't have to do insulin injection, then i wish

whole world could now about that.

--- Shari Viger <shavig wrote:

> Viola wrote: " Regarding Victoria, this family are

> lucky, they got VERY

> healthy heredity, if I eat like them, a box of

> donuts in the morning with a

> gallon of milk, I will not be able to handle that

> probably even a week. "

>

> What did you mean by this Viola? To my knowlege

> Victoria does not eat

> donuts or drinks milk.

>

> Shari

>

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December 15, 2004

<<< " if the boy was really diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and now he

doesn't have to do insulin injection, then i wish whole world could now

about that

My understanding is that Sergei wasn't born with this condition, it was

degenerative (Type II).

Degenerative disease in general is almost always reversible, especially in

young people. All

you have to do is remove the cause, which they did. Victoria is doing

everything she can to

bring this information to the world.

Nora

www.RawSchool.com

December 15, 2004

Good afternoon,

Victoria has an older son who was pretty much out of the house by the time they

moved to the US from Russia and hasn't gone raw (as of the last I heard). I

worked with him in Redmond at my prior job. I agree that their family's

hereditary health must be prettty good because he is in pretty good (apparent)

health in spite of worse-than-average health and diet habits. He is shown in

the family picture in Victoria's first book. It was (indirectly) through him

that I started on raw foods.

Nickolas Hein

Morgantown WV

-

viola

RawSeattle

Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:27 PM

Re: [RawSeattle] Fasting, scientific evidence

You can read her books in public library, she was

eating junk food and feeding her kids junk food until

her son almost died in diabetic coma. After that the

whole family switched to raw diet. Sergey (her son)

was 9 years old i believe, and now he is 19. I don't

know how much truth in there, but if the boy was

really diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and now he

doesn't have to do insulin injection, then i wish

whole world could now about that.

--- Shari Viger <shavig wrote:

> Viola wrote: " Regarding Victoria, this family are

> lucky, they got VERY

> healthy heredity, if I eat like them, a box of

> donuts in the morning with a

> gallon of milk, I will not be able to handle that

> probably even a week. "

>

> What did you mean by this Viola? To my knowlege

> Victoria does not eat

> donuts or drinks milk.

>

> Shari

>

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December 15, 2004

Nora, it says juvenile type in Victoria's book, which

is type 1. Here is a link about juvenile type:

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/Diabetes/wwwboard.html

My coworker's son 14 years old got type 1 diabetes a

year ago. Some people have both types 1 and 2 they

call it 1.5 type. Type 2 is when cells sensitivity to

insulin is weakened because of constantly too much

insulin in the blood presented. Type 1 is when

pancreases can't produce enough insulin anymore, same

cause, too much junk carbs and oils. That boy (my

coworker's son) all he was eating was french fries and

cocacola.

--- Nora Lenz <nmlenz wrote:

> My understanding is that Sergei wasn't born with

> this condition, it was

> degenerative (Type II).

> Degenerative disease in general is almost always

> reversible, especially in

> young people.

December 15, 2004

If you read that link I sent, somebody says:

Type 1 Diabetes is the result of an autoimmune attack

on beta cells in the pancreas. Once beta cells have

been destroyed, there is no way of getting them back

again.

Good thing that Victoria was not that much educated in

health questions, so she didn't know that there is no

cure for Type 1 Diabetes, and she was ready to try

ANYTHING to avoid insulin injections for her son.

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