Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Good morning, I just came from an eye exam. The good news is that in 7 years since I last got glasses (4 of them raw) my prescription hasn't changed a bit and at 47 years old I have no need for reading glasses. The optometrist said that in his 12 years in the business he has NEVER seen this, and whatever I'm doing to stay this good I should keep it up. The other news is this. His glaucoma tester wasn't working so he had to use a more invasive tool which required him to give me eyedrops. He didn't give me a chance to turn this down, so I didn't find out until after they were in that they desensitize the eye so he can run a probe across my retina without me feeling it. After that he asked if I wanted my eyes dilated for the retinal exam, to check for retinal separation. I said no, because I don't want any (more) chemicals on my eyeballs. The question is this. 1) Does anyone know what the glaucoma test chemical (I assume it's an anasthetic of somekind) is and whether it has side effects? 2) The retinal exam uses a chemical drop to dilate the pupil so they can see more of the retina. The doctor said anyone with nearsightedness is at higher risk of retinal separation. I'd like find out more about this to see if there's either another type of exam I can take - or if I can safely skip it altogether. Thanks. Nickolas Hein Morgantown WV - Laura Haddaway iamdunroamin Monday, January 03, 2005 10:09 AM [RawSeattle] Ponderings on historical raw events What was eaten in the garden of Eden? All organic, all raw of course. It was after the rebellion against Ha'Shem and the human use of " free Will " to fall that we started consuming meat and so forth. One thing to keep in mind about the past, is that not only was there no refrigeration, there also was not the choice of produce that we have now. No transportation of the same. This is one reason that the festival of booths (or Sukkot) was so important. For an entire week, there was fresh produce to eat and we lived in our airy palm booths under the stars, remembering a time when we lived on the Mercies the Open Hand of G-d in the desert. There were ways to store food, true, but primitive. There was really no choice but to have grains and dried fruit and so forth. Of course in that climate, you can grow a lot during winter months if you can handle the water needs. The Essene community did live on raw food and sprouted grains to eat all year 'round. But their whole outlook was not towards human comfort, but to a mindfulness of HIM who created all, rather then the amassing of wealth or power. Now we can access raw organic fruit and veggies from around the world. Back in Biblical days there was no worry that honey was not raw, no one had the means to heat it to over 1200 degrees as is done now. (Only honey that states NO HEATING is truly raw.) They ate what was available at the time. Red meat was reserved for the rich, for holy festivals and eaten after it had been sacrificed on the altar. That meat was butchered a certain way, not only for the humane speed, but for the draining away of the blood from the meat etc. (Can you'll tell I was raised Jewish? BTW Ha'Shem means HIS Holy or Blessed Name.) For the poor fish was the most common of meats, followed by the older chicken who had outlived her egg laying year. Those who had herds could have those who were culled from the herd, killed humanely, Koshered with Salt to drain the toxins fro it after the blood had drained off. But even that meat had to be eaten at once, as the methods of drying were harsh and flies a real problem. Now for the Prophets and words of wisdom. Yes, knowledge was right there for them. They each recieve the measure and witness that G-d intended for them. So perhaps Raw was further down the list. Look also at the time they lived in. How to implement RAW when you had to actually grow it yourself? What do to eat in the dead of winter with snow thick? On the other hand, Humans were in that position precisely because " we " had rebelled and were driven out of the garden. Perhaps this was part of the curse that goes from generation to generation, for seven generations. Yes, there were grains available, and the means to sprout them... but it was more of a struggle to heat the home and the body then it is now with our modern conveniences. I lived out in the desert for years without running water and electricity, raising my own organic food for myself and my daughter, so I am very aware of just how much it takes to feed and heat and wash a small family. I think it was more a matter of the time we live in now, then otherwise. Really, has G-d laid any restrictions at our doors that were NOT possible to do? And if G-d gave the past Prophets all knowledge, what would there be for future prophets and leaders to do? When you are in a situation where you have to triage a wounded crowd, it is more a time for clean hot water, bandages and lifting and carrying the injured away to safety, then preaching on what should be eaten. Press the clean cloth to a wound, worry about what they are going to eat later. G-d has His own timing for everything. Remember that when the chosen ones were wandering in the desert taking their " laps " around Sinai? Their clothes, sandals, and belongings did not wear out. They were given Manna to eat. They had a cover of cloud in the day to keep the worst of the sun's heat from burning them, and a pillar of fire at night to warm them in the cold night air. It was only AFTER they rebelled against the Manna, (Using that " free will " again) that they were then given the birds that came to eat the manna. Each time Ha'Shem offers us Raw Organic food. It is our own will that keeps bringing us to cooked comfort food instead of turning to HIM for comfort and protection. He very clearly states not to trust in the arm of man for our sustenance and our protection. Shalom! ===== Peace, Joy and Good Health Laura test'; " type=text/css> Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I would sugest you to get Thomas Quackenbush book in library 'Relearning to See: Improve Your Eyesight - Naturally!' and never go to that doctor again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 You betcha, Viola! I took a class in Quackenbush's method and I very rarely wear my glasses. I am going to be 55 soon and I don't wear reading glasses and have a very low prescription for distance. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Good evening, Thanks for the replies. I ordered my prescription 20/40 so I can start retraining my eyes. (I'm already wearing them) I'll see about getting the book, I looked at it a few years ago and didn't have time or money to take the class. Now I'm probably nowhere near a place that offers it but I can homeschool. I am still curious about the retinal separation risk - if it's 1%, 10% etc? Thanks again. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV - " viola " <Viola816 <RawSeattle > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:51 PM Re: [RawSeattle]Eyecare > > > I would sugest you to get Thomas Quackenbush book in > library 'Relearning to See: Improve Your Eyesight - > Naturally!' and never go to that doctor again. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 RawSeattle , " Nick " <nick.hein@v...> wrote: > The question is this. > 1) Does anyone know what the glaucoma test chemical (I assume it's an anasthetic of somekind) is and whether it has side effects? My eye doctor does the glaucoma test on me and he tells me that he puts an anesthetic on the eyeball. > 2) The retinal exam uses a chemical drop to dilate the pupil so they can see more of the retina. The doctor said anyone with nearsightedness is at higher risk of retinal separation. I'd like find out more about this to see if there's either another type of exam I can take - or if I can safely skip it altogether. My eye doctor shines a light in my eye to dilate the pupil when he does a retinal exam. I haven't ever heard of retinal separation. I suggest you put the words into google and see if you can learn something. Ron Koenig > > Thanks. > > Nickolas Hein > Morgantown WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ron, I don't know what the glaucoma chemical is, but just tell the doc you don't want it. The test is not painful at all. I don't know why they bother with the anesthetic. It's no worse than putting contact lenses in your eyes. Don't know about your second question. I have had the drops before, though last time I convinced the doc not to do it. But if you are not having any symptoms and you are working to improve your nearsightedness, I would feel comfortable skipping the test, personally. If you are eating a good diet, getting exercise, doing eye exercises, etc., you are probably at a far lower risk for retinal separation than the average person. Mark - Ron Koenig RawSeattle Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:37 PM Re: [RawSeattle]Eyecare RawSeattle , " Nick " <nick.hein@v...> wrote: > The question is this. > 1) Does anyone know what the glaucoma test chemical (I assume it's an anasthetic of somekind) is and whether it has side effects? My eye doctor does the glaucoma test on me and he tells me that he puts an anesthetic on the eyeball. > 2) The retinal exam uses a chemical drop to dilate the pupil so they can see more of the retina. The doctor said anyone with nearsightedness is at higher risk of retinal separation. I'd like find out more about this to see if there's either another type of exam I can take - or if I can safely skip it altogether. My eye doctor shines a light in my eye to dilate the pupil when he does a retinal exam. I haven't ever heard of retinal separation. I suggest you put the words into google and see if you can learn something. Ron Koenig > > Thanks. > > Nickolas Hein > Morgantown WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Mark, Ron, In my original post on this subject I mentioned retinal separation. I mispoke, I meant to say corneal separation. Thanks for the replies. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV - " Mark Hovila " <hovila <RawSeattle > Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:00 AM Re: [RawSeattle]Eyecare > > Ron, > > I don't know what the glaucoma chemical is, but just tell the doc you don't want it. The test is not painful at all. I don't know why they bother with the anesthetic. It's no worse than putting contact lenses in your eyes. > > Don't know about your second question. I have had the drops before, though last time I convinced the doc not to do it. But if you are not having any symptoms and you are working to improve your nearsightedness, I would feel comfortable skipping the test, personally. If you are eating a good diet, getting exercise, doing eye exercises, etc., you are probably at a far lower risk for retinal separation than the average person. > > Mark > > - > Ron Koenig > RawSeattle > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:37 PM > Re: [RawSeattle]Eyecare > > > > RawSeattle , " Nick " <nick.hein@v...> wrote: > > The question is this. > > 1) Does anyone know what the glaucoma test chemical (I assume it's > an anasthetic of somekind) is and whether it has side effects? > > My eye doctor does the glaucoma test on me and he tells me that > he puts an anesthetic on the eyeball. > > > 2) The retinal exam uses a chemical drop to dilate the pupil so > they can see more of the retina. The doctor said anyone with > nearsightedness is at higher risk of retinal separation. I'd like > find out more about this to see if there's either another type of > exam I can take - or if I can safely skip it altogether. > > My eye doctor shines a light in my eye to dilate the pupil when he > does a retinal exam. I haven't ever heard of retinal separation. > I suggest you put the words into google and see if you can learn > something. > > Ron Koenig > > > > Thanks. > > > > Nickolas Hein > > Morgantown WV -------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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