Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? - Lois Cole RawSeattle Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very encourageing. Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. Lois Cole <loisc100 May 3, 2005 7:18 AM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do you have Meniere's disease? Lois " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 So my question is, where can you get raw milk in Seattle? I haven't been able to find it. Thanks. -yvette At 09:27 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote: >Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic >goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is >a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been >drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for >all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just >realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... >nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra >Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? > - > Lois Cole > RawSeattle > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > > Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy >to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very >encourageing. > > > Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: > Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the >disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able >to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. > > > Lois Cole <loisc100 > May 3, 2005 7:18 AM > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do >you have Meniere's disease? > > Lois > > " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: > Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms > including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a > sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. > > Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? - Lois Cole RawSeattle Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very encourageing. Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. Lois Cole <loisc100 May 3, 2005 7:18 AM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do you have Meniere's disease? Lois " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Sorry, but I never asked about raw goat milk. It was a mr. blankenship, who evidently used my reply to Kevins Meniere's disease. As you can see at the bottom of this message. Lois Trivia Sebik <trivia wrote: Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? - Lois Cole RawSeattle Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very encourageing. Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. Lois Cole <loisc100 May 3, 2005 7:18 AM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do you have Meniere's disease? Lois " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 I know some folks on Vashon that do cow share. They are really nice folks and have a jersey cow, and the milk is WONDERFUL. FULL of cream. http://bantams.the-kozaks.com/Creamery/ It is run by a youth, and she is learning to be a cheese maker. She also is making soap. She is an incredible kid and has the best intentions, which you will understand when you read her website. Top Quality! Raw cream on berries is the best! I raise rare breed chickens and have raw eggs. I make raw mayonaise for salad dressings. Raw eggs are good in smoothies too. They are easy to digest (raw in 1/2 hr.) I do have extra eggs to sell on occasion. like Trivia said. " Nothing like the real thing " When you can get foods from animals that are loved and cared for as individuals, it is a true gift. Regards, Trish RawSeattle , yvette Soler <yvette> wrote: > So my question is, where can you get raw milk in Seattle? I haven't been > able to find it. > > Thanks. > -yvette > > At 09:27 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic > >goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is > >a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been > >drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for > >all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just > >realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... > >nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra > >Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Hi Yvette, I think they sell raw goats milk at the co op....but i don't know anything about its taste.....a farm is your best bet.....i raise my own so i can have the best and freshest.... good luck, Trivia Alexandra So my question is, where can you get raw milk in Seattle? I haven't been able to find it. Thanks. -yvette At 09:27 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote: >Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic >goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is >a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been >drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for >all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just >realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... >nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra >Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? > - > Lois Cole > RawSeattle > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > > Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy >to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very >encourageing. > > > Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: > Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the >disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able >to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. > > > Lois Cole <loisc100 > May 3, 2005 7:18 AM > RawSeattle > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do >you have Meniere's disease? > > Lois > > " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: > Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms > including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a > sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. > > Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 The co-op quite carrying raw goat milk back at the time of the Odwalla scare and the WA state laws changed to require a label that reads something like " this product is unpasturized and may be hazardous to your health " and the company supplying the raw goat milk to the PCC that I believe was Port Madison refused to put that on their product and so prefers to flash pasturize or not sell it at all so not to have that insulting label. Janaki - " Trivia Sebik " <trivia <RawSeattle > Friday, May 06, 2005 8:19 AM Re: [RawSeattle] r a w m i l k > Hi Yvette, I think they sell raw goats milk at the co op....but i don't > know anything about its taste.....a farm is your best bet.....i raise my own > so i can have the best and freshest.... > good luck, Trivia Alexandra > So my question is, where can you get raw milk in Seattle? I haven't been > able to find it. > > Thanks. > -yvette > > At 09:27 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic > >goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is > >a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been > >drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for > >all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just > >realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... > >nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra > >Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? > > - > > Lois Cole > > RawSeattle > > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:05 PM > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > > > > > Thanks Kevin for the info, I forwarded it to my friend. She will be happy > >to know your ringing in the ears have cleared up on a raw food diet. Very > >encourageing. > > > > > > Kevin Thurber <aikneada wrote: > > Check out www.bowtech.com or www.bowenwork.com. No, I do not have the > >disease, but used to have ringing in the ears. I think a raw diet is able > >to cure anything given dedication, persistence, and ingenuity. > > > > > > Lois Cole <loisc100 > > May 3, 2005 7:18 AM > > RawSeattle > > Re: [RawSeattle] Fwd: Meniere's Disease > > > > What's Bowen therapy? And can a raw food diet cure Meniere's disease? Do > >you have Meniere's disease? > > > > Lois > > > > " Kevin A. Thurber " <aikneada wrote: > > Meniere's Disease: a recurrent and ususally progressive group of symptoms > > including progressive deafness, ringning in the ears, dizziness, and a > > sensationof fullness or pressure in the ears; etiology unknown. > > > > Bowen Therapy has been shown to address all theses conditions. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Hi Trish.......goat share has been on my mind for years......every neighborhood should have one....all this obesity in kids would not happen on raw goats milk ( and the other major sugar imbalances)..... and you are so right about the raw goats cream.....wow, what a taste pleasure and brain relief (with excellent side effects)... ..i use it as a face cream also, gets rid of wrinkles......I made the raw mayonaise recently and couldn't eat enough of it (raw egg yolks and pure olive oil), maybe is was a magnesium flush......now i've had enough for a while......my father used to make it, so people in central Europe knew about it for centuries. .....and yes, animals which are loved are gifts which keep on giving, material and spiritual..... blessings, Trivia Alexandra I know some folks on Vashon that do cow share. They are really nice folks and have a jersey cow, and the milk is WONDERFUL. FULL of cream. http://bantams.the-kozaks.com/Creamery/ It is run by a youth, and she is learning to be a cheese maker. She also is making soap. She is an incredible kid and has the best intentions, which you will understand when you read her website. Top Quality! Raw cream on berries is the best! I raise rare breed chickens and have raw eggs. I make raw mayonaise for salad dressings. Raw eggs are good in smoothies too. They are easy to digest (raw in 1/2 hr.) I do have extra eggs to sell on occasion. like Trivia said. " Nothing like the real thing " When you can get foods from animals that are loved and cared for as individuals, it is a true gift. Regards, Trish RawSeattle , yvette Soler <yvette> wrote: > So my question is, where can you get raw milk in Seattle? I haven't been > able to find it. > > Thanks. > -yvette > > At 09:27 AM 5/5/2005, you wrote: > >Hi Lois, I thought this was a joke question because I belong to holistic > >goat web, and thought this came from that group.......yes, raw goat milk is > >a life and health saver as many know.....for babies and adults.....I've been > >drinking it for 4 months and found that this was what i had been looking for > >all my life.........truly fantastic.......and a side note.....i am just > >realizing how allergic i am to all cow and cooked dairy.....horror..... > >nothing like the real thing....Trivia Alexandra > >Anyone have any opinions (pro or con) on raw goat milk/cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 hi folks... if you read the group description at RawSeattle/ you'll see that this is a vegan discussion group so acting as one of our group moderators, i thot i'd step in here and remind people that raving about non-human milk ain't exactly vegan speaking from 1st hand experience... i've yet to met a cow or a doe that will ''stand'' to be milked unless she's manipulated with food or her baby's confined and remember that she was force breed and yes... i've met many does and cows and i've milked a few in the past please put yourself in her hooves and you might think differently about consuming milk norm )~ ...... raw food, simply wonderful ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Well, that's what I needed to know. Thanks dude. - kelpguy RawSeattle Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:57 PM [RawSeattle] RE: r a w m i l k hi folks... if you read the group description at RawSeattle/ you'll see that this is a vegan discussion group so acting as one of our group moderators, i thot i'd step in here and remind people that raving about non-human milk ain't exactly vegan speaking from 1st hand experience... i've yet to met a cow or a doe that will ''stand'' to be milked unless she's manipulated with food or her baby's confined and remember that she was force breed and yes... i've met many does and cows and i've milked a few in the past please put yourself in her hooves and you might think differently about consuming milk norm )~ ..... raw food, simply wonderful ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hi Norm, I don't want to start a big stinky war here on the egroup, I understand this is a touchy subject, but I do want to defend my posts. So with respect, I'll continue. There are just more harmful destructive things to fight about, in my opinion. The organic small farmer needs to be supported everywhere, and in my opinion, so do the animals that exist there. The folks with the small farm I recommended have an idyllic situation, you probably couldn't get better quality cow milk from happier cows. It's really the industrialized-conveyer belt, greed based, animal lots that are really the hell-realm that do these animals (and humankind) harm. We all agree that is a living hell. And maybe we should pray for them an early death, so that if they do reincarnate as a beast of burden again, that they make there way into the hands of Trivia's goat family, or the like, where they are loved, and milked with tender hands. See what I mean? If we all ate less meat-milk and when we did choose it, we got it from more idyllic, organic farms, wouldn't the human and the animal kingdom be better off? It's really cool there are Vegans out there to lift the burden from these animals lives. Yeah to Vegans everywhere!! But, If we stopped our relationship all together with these dairy breeds, they could run the risk of becoming extinct. How do you suggest we obtain a sustainable, symbiotic future here? The American Breeds Livestock Conservancy has a list of heritage breeds that are endangered because of industrial animal lot farming. i.e. beef cows are mostly all Angus, Dairy Cows mostly being Holsteins, egg layers are all white leghorns or Rhode Island Reds....where does that leave the (Irish heritage) Kerry cow, for instance? who's small size, lower milk production and high milk fat has been left behind for dairy cows that make more money? There are very few of this breed left. to view the watch list http://www.albc-usa.org/wtchlist.htm You can read the situation on many heritage breeds here. I was just answering someone's request for a raw milk source, for whatever reasons she is seeking it. Perhaps this is her path to transition from a meat/milk diet to full raw vegan. Perhaps she has children, perhaps her health or children's health requires it. We all have different diet requirements and not one diet will suit us all the same way. I think a little tolerance is more appreciated. Your description page says nothing of this being vegan site. It's category is Vegan, but if you didn't search this group out by category, you wouldn't have known that. I searched it by looking for RAW , not VEGAN . I didn't know it was an all Vegan raw site. If it is intended to be raw AND strictly vegan you ought to mention it more clearly. Description: Hello Seattle Raw Foods Community, You are invited to join this RawSeattle eGroup, a forum for raw foodists and those interested in learning more about the raw foods lifestyle in the greater Seattle area. Although this eGroup is primarily for raw foodists in the Pacific NW, everyone is welcome. This eGroup will have all sorts of raw food related discussions, be it in chat or on our message board. Please note that this eGroup is the user-to-user communication side of our web site www.RawSeattle.org. If you would like to learn more about our events (potlucks, hikes, speakers, support groups, etc.), view our member directory, group photos, resources, and much more, please visit http://www.RawSeattle.org. Much respect, Trish RawSeattle , " kelpguy " <kelpguy@i...> wrote: > hi folks... > if you read the group description at > RawSeattle/ > you'll see that this is a vegan discussion group > so acting as one of our group moderators, i thot i'd step in here and remind > people that raving about non-human milk ain't exactly vegan > > speaking from 1st hand experience... > i've yet to met a cow or a doe that will ''stand'' to be milked unless she's > manipulated with food or her baby's confined and remember that she was force > breed > and yes... i've met many does and cows and i've milked a few in the past > > please put yourself in her hooves and you might think differently about > consuming milk > norm )~ > > ..... raw food, simply wonderful ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hi Trish, by the way, my granddaughter of 8 months need raw goats milk and my daugter is coming around.....is there a source for milk , she is in the Factoria area? This is by the way a matter of life or juvenile diabetes.....i have been so upset Lisa, my daughter, was feeding infamile and all the syntetic baby formulas whatever, to her child......i couldn't talk to her since November, she finally called me on Mother's day......i personally do not have the strenght to watch the doctors kill my grandchild......your sista, Trivia Alexandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 From an outside observer's opinion - I don't like anyone's posts to be shot down (unless they are Spam, of course). And, I thought it was discussed a while back that something not directly related to 'Raw Foods' would be signified with an 'OT' so those not interest could just delete them. Maybe as a compromise, we can have anything that might not be 'Vegan Raw Food' considered OT with an OT in front of the post...that way this can be a positive group that provides good information for all people.. I seek information in my quest to be come 100% raw - thus, I welcome it all - in fact, while not a milk drinker, I found the post about Goat's milk interesting - now, it didn't make me go out and want a glass of goat's milk, but it has just given me a piece of information that I didn't have before..I like that, and I welcome that. I hope everyone else does, too. RawSeattle [RawSeattle ]On Behalf Of Patricia Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:19 AM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Re: r a w m i l k Hi Norm, I don't want to start a big stinky war here on the egroup, I understand this is a touchy subject, but I do want to defend my posts. So with respect, I'll continue. There are just more harmful destructive things to fight about, in my opinion. The organic small farmer needs to be supported everywhere, and in my opinion, so do the animals that exist there. The folks with the small farm I recommended have an idyllic situation, you probably couldn't get better quality cow milk from happier cows. It's really the industrialized-conveyer belt, greed based, animal lots that are really the hell-realm that do these animals (and humankind) harm. We all agree that is a living hell. And maybe we should pray for them an early death, so that if they do reincarnate as a beast of burden again, that they make there way into the hands of Trivia's goat family, or the like, where they are loved, and milked with tender hands. See what I mean? If we all ate less meat-milk and when we did choose it, we got it from more idyllic, organic farms, wouldn't the human and the animal kingdom be better off? It's really cool there are Vegans out there to lift the burden from these animals lives. Yeah to Vegans everywhere!! But, If we stopped our relationship all together with these dairy breeds, they could run the risk of becoming extinct. How do you suggest we obtain a sustainable, symbiotic future here? The American Breeds Livestock Conservancy has a list of heritage breeds that are endangered because of industrial animal lot farming. i.e. beef cows are mostly all Angus, Dairy Cows mostly being Holsteins, egg layers are all white leghorns or Rhode Island Reds....where does that leave the (Irish heritage) Kerry cow, for instance? who's small size, lower milk production and high milk fat has been left behind for dairy cows that make more money? There are very few of this breed left. to view the watch list http://www.albc-usa.org/wtchlist.htm You can read the situation on many heritage breeds here. I was just answering someone's request for a raw milk source, for whatever reasons she is seeking it. Perhaps this is her path to transition from a meat/milk diet to full raw vegan. Perhaps she has children, perhaps her health or children's health requires it. We all have different diet requirements and not one diet will suit us all the same way. I think a little tolerance is more appreciated. Your description page says nothing of this being vegan site. It's category is Vegan, but if you didn't search this group out by category, you wouldn't have known that. I searched it by looking for RAW , not VEGAN . I didn't know it was an all Vegan raw site. If it is intended to be raw AND strictly vegan you ought to mention it more clearly. Description: Hello Seattle Raw Foods Community, You are invited to join this RawSeattle eGroup, a forum for raw foodists and those interested in learning more about the raw foods lifestyle in the greater Seattle area. Although this eGroup is primarily for raw foodists in the Pacific NW, everyone is welcome. This eGroup will have all sorts of raw food related discussions, be it in chat or on our message board. Please note that this eGroup is the user-to-user communication side of our web site www.RawSeattle.org. If you would like to learn more about our events (potlucks, hikes, speakers, support groups, etc.), view our member directory, group photos, resources, and much more, please visit http://www.RawSeattle.org. Much respect, Trish RawSeattle , " kelpguy " <kelpguy@i...> wrote: > hi folks... > if you read the group description at > RawSeattle/ > you'll see that this is a vegan discussion group > so acting as one of our group moderators, i thot i'd step in here and remind > people that raving about non-human milk ain't exactly vegan > > speaking from 1st hand experience... > i've yet to met a cow or a doe that will ''stand'' to be milked unless she's > manipulated with food or her baby's confined and remember that she was force > breed > and yes... i've met many does and cows and i've milked a few in the past > > please put yourself in her hooves and you might think differently about > consuming milk > norm )~ > > ..... raw food, simply wonderful ..... ---------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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