Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hello - I have a customer that has significant kidney failure - she is open to anything, and I am not sure if there is a good place to direct her - I asked her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - Raw Foods - which she had never heard of ) and she is. I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have for me to direct her to - it seems the allopathic world has left her out on her own with no solutions - Thank you!! Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Joy, The only real solution is for your friend to remove the cause of her problems, which is/was primarily her diet. " Fit for Life " by Harvey & Marilyn Diamond would be a great book for her because kidney failure is often linked to overconsumption of protein, which is addressed in some detail in that book. I'd recommend the second edition, " Living Health " , which can be purchased used on line very cheaply. Also, I 'specialize' in helping people go all raw but she may not have to go that far in order to get relief from her symptoms. If she's interested, however, I can help. Feel free to contact me off list. Nora www.RawSchool.com Join my email discussion list here: http://health.Rawschool/ - " Joy King " <joy " Z Raw Seattle " <RawSeattle > Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:38 AM [RawSeattle] OT - Kidney Failure > Hello - > > I have a customer that has significant kidney failure - she is open to > anything, and I am not sure if there is a good place to direct her - I > asked > her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - Raw Foods - which she had > never heard of ) and she is. > > I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have for me to direct her > to - > it seems the allopathic world has left her out on her own with no > solutions - > > Thank you!! > Joy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Joy Both of my brothers have had two kidney transplants each. It is important that your friend listen to her body, her instincts and not let others override her instincts. One of my brother over rode his instinct and trusted that the guidance that he was given by the medical staff, regarding taking a higher dose of medication after his first transplant was the correct thing to do. It turned out someone had not checked his previous blood levels and the higher dose turned the kidney toxic and almost killed him. He has been a very verbal and difficult patient with his specialists ever since. He asks questions constantly and researches and trust his own guidance to make a final decision. I hope your friend will have the courage to do the same. If she must turn to traditional applications such as dialysis she is welcome to call my brother for information of what to ask the doctors. You can contact me at sturtevants I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers. Light and Love Ramona - Joy King Z Raw Seattle Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:38 AM [RawSeattle] OT - Kidney Failure Hello - I have a customer that has significant kidney failure - she is open to anything, and I am not sure if there is a good place to direct her - I asked her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - Raw Foods - which she had never heard of ) and she is. I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have for me to direct her to - it seems the allopathic world has left her out on her own with no solutions - Thank you!! Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Here's my 2 cents as someone with an M.S. in nutrition from Bastyr University: I definitely think that a raw foods diet could help someone with kidney failure. For one thing, individuals with kidney failure have a difficult time clearing excess phosphorus out of their bodies. The foods that are high in phosphorus include animal products, beans, softdrinks, whole grains, nuts & seeds. So raw would be helpful, but they need to seriously watch their nut & seed consumption, & maintain phosphorus levels at 3.5 to 5.5 mg/dL. There's good info on phosphorus at the National Kidney Foundation website: http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozItem.cfm?id=101 (Yes they're a mainstream allopathic organization, but their information on phosphorous is accurate.) Of all the medical conditions I had to write a therapeutic diet for, the renal diet was by far the trickiest. Now, I understand the distrust many people in the raw community have of mainstream allopathic medicine & share much of it. Otherwise, I would not have moved 3,000 from Baltimore to attend Bastyr, nor studied so much nutrition & natural medicine on my own. And I do think that educated laypeople can give excellent recommendations. However, I want to caution that there are some tricky, complicated, life-threatening medical conditions. Providing medical & therapeutic nutrition advice without a good understanding of the disease, the person's current diet & supplements, & their lab tests can potentially lead to harm & lawsuits. For example, someone could suggest a raw foods diet for a renal patient, but the patient could load up nuts, seeds & raw goat's milk. If one is going to advise patients with serious diseases, one should seriously know what one is doing. When it comes to complicated & life threatening medical conditions, there are some excellent knowledgeable vegan-friendly & raw friendly medical professionals out there. There are some Bastyr-trained naturopathic physicians & nutritionists who have tremendously helped patients with life-threatening conditions such as cancer & HIV- AIDS. I personally would not hesitate to seek out a veg-friendly, raw-friendly member of the Bastyr-University trained medical community, & take advantage of their education & experience. RawSeattle , " Joy King " <joy@d...> wrote: > Hello - > > I have a customer that has significant kidney failure - she is open to > anything, and I am not sure if there is a good place to direct her - I asked > her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - Raw Foods - which she had > never heard of ) and she is. > > I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have for me to direct her to - > it seems the allopathic world has left her out on her own with no > solutions - > > Thank you!! > Joy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Jon and Suzan McGee know about kidney failure. Suzan was in the hospital and on a waiting list to get a new kidney. Jon, long time rawfoodist, came to visit her and asked her what she wanted to do. She said she wanted to leave. So he wrapped her up in a sheet and carried her out of the hospital. He took her home and nursed her back to health on raw foods and juices. They later got married. I met these folks at a raw food potluck in Seattle a number of years ago. They helped me deal with a strange event that happened to me shortly after going raw, when my body spontaneously expelled a cancerous polyp. I think they now live in Hawaii somewhere. Mark RawSeattle [RawSeattle ] On Behalf Of bookarma Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:00 AM RawSeattle [RawSeattle] Re: OT - Kidney Failure Here's my 2 cents as someone with an M.S. in nutrition from Bastyr University: I definitely think that a raw foods diet could help someone with kidney failure. For one thing, individuals with kidney failure have a difficult time clearing excess phosphorus out of their bodies. The foods that are high in phosphorus include animal products, beans, softdrinks, whole grains, nuts & seeds. So raw would be helpful, but they need to seriously watch their nut & seed consumption, & maintain phosphorus levels at 3.5 to 5.5 mg/dL. There's good info on phosphorus at the National Kidney Foundation website: http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozItem.cfm?id=101 (Yes they're a mainstream allopathic organization, but their information on phosphorous is accurate.) Of all the medical conditions I had to write a therapeutic diet for, the renal diet was by far the trickiest. Now, I understand the distrust many people in the raw community have of mainstream allopathic medicine & share much of it. Otherwise, I would not have moved 3,000 from Baltimore to attend Bastyr, nor studied so much nutrition & natural medicine on my own. And I do think that educated laypeople can give excellent recommendations. However, I want to caution that there are some tricky, complicated, life-threatening medical conditions. Providing medical & therapeutic nutrition advice without a good understanding of the disease, the person's current diet & supplements, & their lab tests can potentially lead to harm & lawsuits. For example, someone could suggest a raw foods diet for a renal patient, but the patient could load up nuts, seeds & raw goat's milk. If one is going to advise patients with serious diseases, one should seriously know what one is doing. When it comes to complicated & life threatening medical conditions, there are some excellent knowledgeable vegan-friendly & raw friendly medical professionals out there. There are some Bastyr-trained naturopathic physicians & nutritionists who have tremendously helped patients with life-threatening conditions such as cancer & HIV- AIDS. I personally would not hesitate to seek out a veg-friendly, raw-friendly member of the Bastyr-University trained medical community, & take advantage of their education & experience. RawSeattle , " Joy King " <joy@d...> wrote: > Hello - > > I have a customer that has significant kidney failure - she is open to > anything, and I am not sure if there is a good place to direct her - I asked > her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - Raw Foods - which she had > never heard of ) and she is. > > I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have for me to direct her to - > it seems the allopathic world has left her out on her own with no > solutions - > > Thank you!! > Joy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I tried to find their website. I'm not 100% certain, but I think this is it: http://www.rawparadise.org <http://www.rawparadise.org/> Whoever asked about kidney failure, I suggest you write to Suzan McGee at info. Mark Jon and Suzan McGee know about kidney failure. Suzan was in the hospital and on a waiting list to get a new kidney. Jon, long time rawfoodist, came to visit her and asked her what she wanted to do. She said she wanted to leave. So he wrapped her up in a sheet and carried her out of the hospital. He took her home and nursed her back to health on raw foods and juices. They later got married. I met these folks at a raw food potluck in Seattle a number of years ago. They helped me deal with a strange event that happened to me shortly after going raw, when my body spontaneously expelled a cancerous polyp. I think they now live in Hawaii somewhere. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Mark - I remember them! They came and spoke at an EarthSave in Snohomish County. I was totally fascinated and I'm thinking that was my first contact with a " real, live-live fooder " ! Wasn't she a nurse? Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Shari, Yes, I think maybe she was a nurse. I remember she said that her father wanted to kill Jon for taking her out of the hospital. But his attitude changed completely when he saw how she recovered under Jon's care. Mark RawSeattle [RawSeattle ] On Behalf Of Shari Viger Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:13 PM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Re: OT - Kidney Failure Mark - I remember them! They came and spoke at an EarthSave in Snohomish County. I was totally fascinated and I'm thinking that was my first contact with a " real, live-live fooder " ! Wasn't she a nurse? Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I am so glad that you brought up Bastyr! I was just thinking about them the other day. I was thinking that they are probably the most likely " established " medical institution that would be interested in studying raw foods in way that might convince more people to go raw. Do you have any idea how the raw diet is regarded in general by the nutrition department? Thanks! Audrey --- bookarma <bookarma wrote: > Here's my 2 cents as someone with an M.S. in > nutrition from Bastyr > University: I definitely think that a raw foods > diet could help > someone with kidney failure. For one thing, > individuals with kidney > failure have a difficult time clearing excess > phosphorus out of > their bodies. The foods that are high in phosphorus > include animal > products, beans, softdrinks, whole grains, nuts & > seeds. So raw > would be helpful, but they need to seriously watch > their nut & seed > consumption, & maintain phosphorus levels at 3.5 to > 5.5 mg/dL. > There's good info on phosphorus at the National > Kidney Foundation > website: > http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozItem.cfm?id=101 (Yes > > they're a mainstream allopathic organization, but > their information > on phosphorous is accurate.) Of all the medical > conditions I had to > write a therapeutic diet for, the renal diet was by > far the > trickiest. > > Now, I understand the distrust many people in the > raw community have > of mainstream allopathic medicine & share much of > it. Otherwise, I > would not have moved 3,000 from Baltimore to attend > Bastyr, nor > studied so much nutrition & natural medicine on my > own. And I do > think that educated laypeople can give excellent > recommendations. > However, I want to caution that there are some > tricky, complicated, > life-threatening medical conditions. Providing > medical & > therapeutic nutrition advice without a good > understanding of the > disease, the person's current diet & supplements, & > their lab tests > can potentially lead to harm & lawsuits. For > example, someone could > suggest a raw foods diet for a renal patient, but > the patient could > load up nuts, seeds & raw goat's milk. If one is > going to advise > patients with serious diseases, one should seriously > know what one > is doing. > > When it comes to complicated & life threatening > medical conditions, > there are some excellent knowledgeable > vegan-friendly & raw friendly > medical professionals out there. There are some > Bastyr-trained > naturopathic physicians & nutritionists who have > tremendously helped > patients with life-threatening conditions such as > cancer & HIV- > AIDS. I personally would not hesitate to seek out a > veg-friendly, > raw-friendly member of the Bastyr-University trained > medical > community, & take advantage of their education & > experience. > > RawSeattle , " Joy King " > <joy@d...> wrote: > > Hello - > > > > I have a customer that has significant kidney > failure - she is > open to > > anything, and I am not sure if there is a good > place to direct > her - I asked > > her if she was open to alternative ideas (i.e. - > Raw Foods - which > she had > > never heard of ) and she is. > > > > I would appreciate any ideas/places you might have > for me to > direct her to - > > it seems the allopathic world has left her out on > her own with no > > solutions - > > > > Thank you!! > > Joy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail./mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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