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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 John L. Fielder Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:12 AM Re: [Raw Food] Fruit Quality Hi Gina & Elchanan, I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown fruit can, and will never properly ripen. Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed these very same factors and through his research had enabled both himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is humanly possible, organically grown. John _____ Thanks, John! Am I correct in believing that the compounds you mention are used only on organically grown crops (at least theoretically)? -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 23 June 2005 at 00:07:51 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsa W5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AJgFAAB8AHwAAAABAAAAV/25QpgFAABpAwACAAIAAgAgWd +zucKbIEucZcbnZ7O7RcEjNJ+04fHvM/EsxjA51E8BAEHvXDx7hpKTsvAgr9D0EPgSpue SCJ3R+4yHzWz2x9XhN2v2cPAS45uWjvtI42Uj026HjxksTxqJpuFYC2AgDZwYhnhpU2ln RW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Thanks! E rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of John L. Fielder Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:46 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Fruit Quality Hi Elchanan, The chemicals mentioned here are those commonly used in the commercial production of fruits and vegetables . They most certainly are not permitted in the production of produce that is labeled as organic. John -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 23 June 2005 at 03:19:02 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsa W5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AIcBAAB8AHwAAAABAAAAJiq6QocBAABRAgACAAIAAgAgWd +zucKbIEucZcbnZ7O7RcEjNJ+04fHvM/EsxjA51E8BAEHvXDx7hpKTsvAgr9D0EPgSpue SCJ3R+4yHzWz2x9Xhihhmdo1+8EW3FbVULcU8CJt4sgMzNW6xX2lPOvyZSJYsmpUYU2ln RW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hi Gina & Elchanan, I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown fruit can, and will never properly ripen. Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed these very same factors and through his research had enabled both himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is humanly possible, organically grown. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote: > GinaShw Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:09 AM Re: > [Rawschool] Fruit/veg Quality > Hi Nathan, > > I do like your sense of humour, but there is also a more serious side to > this issue nonetheless. When we eat poor quality/over-ripe fruit, > over-eat > on fruit or eat fruit in poor food combinations (i.e. fruit should be > eaten > on it's own on an empty stomach), we end up with poisons in our body which > our body then has to eliminate or may be forced to store (without causing > harm when possible when there is insufficient vital energy). These > poisons > include alcohol, acetic acid, excess carbon dioxide, etc. in the case of > fermented sugars. Unfortunately, one of the biggest causes of disease > in my > opinion is fermenting and putrefying foods which damage the intestines and > cause disease in many vital organs/tissue areas. > > Warm wishes, > Gina > > Dr Gina Shaw > http://www.vibrancy.homestead.com/pageone.html > _____ > Hi everyone, > Been noticing this thread on food quality and would just like to offer a > coupe of comments. > > First, as a matter of sheer volume, the problem of underripe fruit dwarfs > any issues about overripe fruit. Underripe fruit is everywhere, almost all > farmers now pick their fruit not only underripe, but significantly so. > This > is true even at the farmers markets. Farmers fear damage to their products > in transit, and they also have learned, sometimes unpleasantly, that most > Americans have been totally trained to search for the " best looking " > fruits > rather than the healthiest ones. > -- -- Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release 21/06/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hi Elchanan, The chemicals mentioned here are those commonly used in the commercial production of fruits and vegetables . They most certainly are not permitted in the production of produce that is labeled as organic. John INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote: > John L. Fielder Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:12 AM Re: > [Raw Food] Fruit Quality > > Hi Gina & Elchanan, > > I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, > most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial > fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser > either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit > acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit > sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding > it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from > that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown > fruit can, and will never properly ripen. > > Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops > has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base > this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy > liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet > relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. > This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical > farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in > excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed > these very same factors and through his research had enabled both > himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. > > To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much > of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is > humanly possible, organically grown. > > John > _____ > Thanks, John! Am I correct in believing that the compounds you mention are > used only on organically grown crops (at least theoretically)? -- > ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ > rawfood . > For your security, vlinfo > digitally signed this message on 23 June 2005 at 00:07:51 UTC. > Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. > ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- > Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsa > W5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AJgFAAB8AHwAAAABAAAAV/25QpgFAABpAwACAAIAAgAgWd > +zucKbIEucZcbnZ7O7RcEjNJ+04fHvM/EsxjA51E8BAEHvXDx7hpKTsvAgr9D0EPgSpue > SCJ3R+4yHzWz2x9XhN2v2cPAS45uWjvtI42Uj026HjxksTxqJpuFYC2AgDZwYhnhpU2ln > RW5k > --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Another note on fruit ripeness: scent! The scent of ripe fruit can be noticed and smelled an inch or so from your nose. For example limes do not have much scent when unripe. Some fruit have less noticeable scent (like kiwi) and some very high (like oranges). And I wanted to ask: If I soak nuts\seeds in water and add some organic apple cider vinegar to the soaking water, will it enhance the soaking, making it more effective\ " faster " etc? Logically I would think so because it would perhaprs start some pre-mini- fermentation as well as the more acidic water breaking the fats more effectively. Thanks love Gemini. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > John L. Fielder Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:12 AM Re: > [Raw Food] Fruit Quality > > Hi Gina & Elchanan, > > I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, > most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial > fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser > either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit > acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit > sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding > it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from > that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown > fruit can, and will never properly ripen. > > Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops > has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base > this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy > liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet > relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. > This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical > farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in > excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed > these very same factors and through his research had enabled both > himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. > > To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much > of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is > humanly possible, organically grown. > > John > _____ > Thanks, John! Am I correct in believing that the compounds you mention are > used only on organically grown crops (at least theoretically)? -- > ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ---------------------- -- > rawfood > For your security, vlinfo@e... > digitally signed this message on 23 June 2005 at 00:07:51 UTC. > Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. > ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ----------------- -- > Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsa > W5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AJgFAAB8AHwAAAABAAAAV/25QpgFAABpAwACAAIAAgAgWd > +zucKbIEucZcbnZ7O7RcEjNJ+04fHvM/EsxjA51E8BAEHvXDx7hpKTsvAgr9D0EPgSpue > SCJ3R+4yHzWz2x9XhN2v2cPAS45uWjvtI42Uj026HjxksTxqJpuFYC2AgDZwYhnhpU2ln > RW5k > --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 This message appeared in another discussion group, but I felt it was relevant to crosspost it to ours. Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:12:01 -0700 " John L. Fielder " Re: Fruit Quality Hi Gina & Elchanan, I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown fruit can, and will never properly ripen. Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed these very same factors and through his research had enabled both himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is humanly possible, organically grown. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Helen, this is fascinating and I would like to hear more about these kinds of issues. There seems to be something about Australia that encourages people to carefully observe and learn from their observations. I am interested in finding out more about other list. Who can join it? May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter, Roger - " Helen " <helensy <RawSeattle > Friday, June 24, 2005 10:30 AM [RawSeattle] fruit quality > This message appeared in another discussion group, but I felt it was > relevant to crosspost it to ours. > > > Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:12:01 -0700 > " John L. Fielder " > Re: Fruit Quality > > Hi Gina & Elchanan, > > I would like to share my experience with you in this regard. Firstly, > most of us are unaware that one of the most widely used artificial > fertilisers today is sulphate of ammonia. The use of this fertliser > either stops, or does not allow,or for whatever reason, causes the fruit > acids to not convert into fruit sugars. That in fact can cause the fruit > sugars to revert to fruit acids if they have already done so by adding > it to the soil in a way that the plant will take it up.To transpose from > that it is possible to say that most, if not all commercially grown > fruit can, and will never properly ripen. > > Further, that the addition of organo-phosphate fertilisers to our crops > has the potential to cause disease in both animals and humans. I base > this upon my own observations with animals in which pulpy > liver,anemia,jaundice,worms and cancer had become relatively common, yet > relatively unknown previous to the introduction of these fertilisers. > This finding has also been born out by the experience of a practical > farmer in Victoria, Australia, Percy Weston, who, died recently in > excess of 100 years still being active on his farm. Percy had observed > these very same factors and through his research had enabled both > himself and his wife to survive serious illness including cancer. > > To my way of thinking this underlines the necessity of growing as much > of our own food as possible, with the balance being, as far as is > humanly possible, organically grown. > > John > > John L. Fielder > Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant > Academy of Natural Living > www.iig.com.au/anl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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