Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Thank you for your comment Ron. I totally agree. Yes, this is a public site, to be used specifically for raw-related topics, NOT for personal emails (copying the rawseattle group) or relentless marketing of goods for personal gain. I would appreciate seeing this list getting back to its original intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under " links " where a person could go for products. Any thoughts anyone else? IMHO-- peace, Linda Message: 13 Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:54:20 -0000 " Ron Koenig " <theveganking Posting messages Maybe Jeff would like to comment on this, but I would like to point out that this is a public site that can be viewed by anyone with an Internet connection, and I hope all will think about what they are posting, especially personal e-mails, before posting it here. Thanks, Ron Koenig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 > or relentless marketing of goods for personal gain. Agreed. It gets old. Any message, for example, that says only " check this out " with a link is at best spam and at worst a virus/ trojan. > intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under > " links " where a > person could go for products. Any thoughts anyone else? We'd have the same problem of selective inclusion that we have with event posting, but it'd be a step in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I've been thinking the same thing -- thanks for voicing this, Linda. Gael On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:05 AM, heartsong wrote: > Thank you for your comment Ron. I totally agree. Yes, this is a > public site, > to be used specifically for raw-related topics, NOT for personal > emails > (copying the rawseattle group) or relentless marketing of goods for > personal > gain. I would appreciate seeing this list getting back to its original > intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under > " links " where a > person could go for products. Any thoughts anyone else? > > IMHO-- peace, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 The primary focus of the list is for raw food discussion (primarily in the Pacific NW). We, moderators, discussed the posting of classes quite a while ago. We didn't want the advertising of classes to overwhelm the list. We felt one email announcing an upcoming class, then another email soon before an event as a reminder, would be a good balance. At that time there was little " advertising " of raw products on the list, so we did not discuss that. I'm sure people appreciate knowing where to get raw products and produce, as well as learning about upcoming classes. I realize people also appreciate not feeling overwhelmed by email, and enjoy email discussions without much " advertising " (besides ads). The question is, what is the balance point? How much advertising is enough, how much is too much? If we have ten people selling products, emailing the list once a month, is that acceptable? Is once a week too much? Do you (list members) prefer we keep the products on a separate web page (off this list?) What about classes? Please share your thoughts and help us establish a policy for the list. Thanks, Jeff On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:05 AM, heartsong wrote: > I would appreciate seeing this list getting back to its original > intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under " links " > where a > person could go for products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Thanks, Jeff. The website would be okay, if we had one. Frustrating. How about on Saturdays anyone can advertise anything they want. I still don't think there's too much advertising going on. It's certainly not like my phone is ringing and someone is soliciting me. How about you folks objecting to the " onslaught " just use your delete key? Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 The advertising doesn't bother me because it is about raw foods - and raw foods locally is key. I think limiting raw food advertising that isn't local should be minimized...maybe to just Saturday or something. Keep in mind, if the ads are too much for people, they can turn off the individual emails and just get a daily recap where they can pick and choose what they read. Again, I think local raw foods advertising (classes, products, events, etc) is just fine all of the time as this is what the group is about - things that aren't local should be limited. Thanks! Joy. Jeff Rogers [jeff] Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:11 PM RawSeattle Re: [RawSeattle] Purpose of this website The primary focus of the list is for raw food discussion (primarily in the Pacific NW). We, moderators, discussed the posting of classes quite a while ago. We didn't want the advertising of classes to overwhelm the list. We felt one email announcing an upcoming class, then another email soon before an event as a reminder, would be a good balance. At that time there was little " advertising " of raw products on the list, so we did not discuss that. I'm sure people appreciate knowing where to get raw products and produce, as well as learning about upcoming classes. I realize people also appreciate not feeling overwhelmed by email, and enjoy email discussions without much " advertising " (besides ads). The question is, what is the balance point? How much advertising is enough, how much is too much? If we have ten people selling products, emailing the list once a month, is that acceptable? Is once a week too much? Do you (list members) prefer we keep the products on a separate web page (off this list?) What about classes? Please share your thoughts and help us establish a policy for the list. Thanks, Jeff On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:05 AM, heartsong wrote: > I would appreciate seeing this list getting back to its original > intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under " links " > where a > person could go for products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Jeff, Thank you for your balanced framing of the current dialogue. In previous posts I didn't hear anyone say that they want a ban on all notices of products, classes, etc, and that isn't what I want. But lately it has seemed excessive, with numerous daily messages about the very same opportunities to buy that I got the day before, or details of person to person business transactions that only concern those two people. I realize that others may want much more, or much less, of these things than I do. But what I don't understand is the quickness to blame and mount personal attacks on those who want to discuss this issue. Best, Gael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I don't have a problem with any of the advertising of raw-related items. When people want to order or respond to them, it should be not be posted here. Those things are of a personal nature and don't need to be posted here. I don't have a problem with someone posting their struggles with raw food and asking for support (we all have weaknesses at one time or another), it's just when I reply personally, I don't expect that reply to get posted here later. Probably no harm if it is, but probably of no consequence to the many people on this list. Ron RawSeattle , Jeff Rogers <jeff@t...> wrote: > > Please share your thoughts and help us establish a policy for the list. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 One way to address this issue, would be to change the reply-to default to not go automatically to the list, but to the person who posted the message. One would have to add RawSeattle as another recipient here. I've erred before, accidently, and have posted things to the list that were really intended for just the original poster. It is a hard call as to which is better - having the default responses come to the list, or direcly to the person who did the post, with the list address having to be added. Email and lists are certainly not perfect... David On 12/1/05, Ron Koenig <theveganking wrote: > > I don't have a problem with any of the advertising of raw-related > items. When people want to order or respond to them, it should be not > be posted here. Those things are of a personal nature and don't need > to be posted here. I don't have a problem with someone posting their > struggles with raw food and asking for support (we all have weaknesses > at one time or another), it's just when I reply personally, I don't > expect that reply to get posted here later. Probably no harm if it is, > but probably of no consequence to the many people on this list. > Ron > > RawSeattle , Jeff Rogers <jeff@t...> wrote: > > > > Please share your thoughts and help us establish a policy for the > list. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 > Those things are of a personal nature and don't need > to be posted here. There have been many replies that are better off going to the sender as opposed to the list, As David mentioned, one option would be to change the settings so the default is to have the sender's address appear in the line instead of RawSeattle . > it's just when I reply personally, I don't > expect that reply to get posted here later. Probably no harm if it is, > but probably of no consequence to the many people on this list. I have seen this a few times before, and do not believe it to be appropriate. If a list member replies to the sender personally (off-list), that becomes a separate dialog and should not then be sent back to the list with a new response. As the list was not part of the first response, we should not be " Cc:'d " with the new response, showing the list what a member wrote off list. I believe posts in confidence should remain that way, whether " positive " or " negative. " As Ron mentioned, it may not be of major consequence, but what if it is? It is my opinion off-list posts should remain off-list. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Here's my 2 Cents: Please keep the Raw Food Product availability information a comin' as I appreciate the opportunities...but the personal to do's could get shortened... Janaki - " heartsong " <heartsong <RawSeattle > Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:05 AM [RawSeattle] Purpose of this website > Thank you for your comment Ron. I totally agree. Yes, this is a public site, > to be used specifically for raw-related topics, NOT for personal emails > (copying the rawseattle group) or relentless marketing of goods for personal > gain. I would appreciate seeing this list getting back to its original > intent. Perhaps a link could be posted on the homepage under " links " where a > person could go for products. Any thoughts anyone else? > > IMHO-- peace, Linda > > Message: 13 > Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:54:20 -0000 > " Ron Koenig " <theveganking > Posting messages > > Maybe Jeff would like to comment on this, but I would like to point out that > this is a public site that can be viewed by anyone with an Internet > connection, and I hope all will think about what they are posting, > especially > personal e-mails, before posting it here. > Thanks, > Ron Koenig > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Great dialog everyone. Let's keep it up until we co-create a win-win for all concerned. That is my wish. Each time this list goes through one of these 'growth spurts', we grow stronger as a community. This list has endured several layers of change over the years...successfully, IMHO. I encourage everyone to 'come out' and voice their opinion on this topic. This is YOUR forum! peace and blessings, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Hi Everyone, I personally have loved this website. I have found this e-mail group to be very welcoming and an invaluable way for someone in the live foods community to find out about recipes, potlucks, events (such as the holiday bazaar), support for health and emotional issues, etc. I know that there will always be some items which are of more interest to some than to others, so that's why its great that I can just scroll past the items and dialogues I'm not interested in and focus on the ones I am wanting to learn more about. I would rather keep some things I'm not crazy about than cut out a bunch of things a few of which might be interesting or helpful to me. I think its good to remember that we really are all in such different places in this journey, and what might seem repetitive to one person, may be just what another, newer person might need and doesn't know where else to go for that information. This is an easily accessible e-mail group which may be serving more purposes in an important way than it was intended for. I think its great that we are having this cooperative dialogue and thank you Jeff for facilitating this. Peace : ) Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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