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Hi again folks

 

In response to Robert (and staying on topic rather than responding to anything

personal)

 

I feel that it will be of service to the open discussion of the raw food diet

to address to the basic assertion of his argument

 

that physiologically we originated as tropical dwellers

 

I won't argue this point

 

However I would like to point out that Robert's subsequent leap of logic

is

faulty:

 

that therefore our optimal diet is composed of primarily tropical fruit.

 

Why is it faulty logic?

 

Because MOST OF US DO NOT LIVE IN THE TROPICS!

 

And for another huge reason: the fruit available today is not the same as

the

highly mineralized, wild fruit available when the human species originated

in

the tropics, etc.

 

It is well-documented in the most recent raw-food research and thrity

years of anecdotal evidence that a diet high in sweet fruit does NOT work

for

most of us.

 

And despite Robert's humorous argument that because that we are biologically

the same, we are all biochemically the same. In fact, as I stated before, we are

each biochemically different: each us has a different ph, a different toxic

load,

different internal organ function, different metabolic rates, etc.

 

Additionally, humans are also of different constitutions, or body types

(see Gabriel Cousen's book Conscious Eating for an explanation of the

Ayurvedic tri-dosha system and how it relates to staying balanced and

healthy on a raw food diet).

 

And we live in varying climates, have varying levels of physical activity,

etc.

as well.

 

Some us do quite a well on what Robert would label a high-fat diet.

 

We actually dare to eat nuts!

 

The latest raw-food research shows that diets high in sweet fruits, which

most

of the tropical fruits, are actually promote disease by encouraging the

growth of

molds, yeasts, fugus and other pleomophic organisms in our bloodstreams.

(See

Gabriel Cousens' Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine for documantation).

 

Low-glycemic diets that eliminate sweet fruits or diets that add copious

amounts

of greens into the diet are actually the ones that cleanse and heal our

bodies.

(See Cousens and Boutenko) And check this out: undermineralized fruit

actually

strips our bodies of valuable nutritients! Some well-known educators

promote and

many of us experience that by eating nutrient-dense, highly mineralized

" superfoods " we actually find our deepest level of health and balance.

 

Of course we are naturally frugivorous, but many of us do not thrive

eating

mostly fruit. I bet if we did a survey of people on this listserve, we

would find that a variety of raw food diets-- some with more fruit, some

with none and loads of greeens, some with high fat, some who knows

what--work for the variety of different individuals that we are.

 

Two fianl points:

 

My original post questioned the eco-logic of buying imported, tropical,

non-organic, expensive--and let me now add: possibly irradiated-- tropical

fruit

when so much local organic fruit is in season. Robert dismisses my

questioning

as " frivolous " and " not worth discussing " . Well, I thought that this list

was

about discussing various facets of the raw-food diet. And this is exactly

what

bugs me about how Robert expresses his views: as if they are THE TRUTH, as

opposed merely his view on subject that is very much open to discussion as

we

are all having different experiences and joined this list to share and

learn.

 

And to be very clear on my view, I think that a diet that necesarily

depends primarily on imported tropical fruit is not only unlikely to be

sustainable for human health, but also very unsustainable for the health of

the planet. And to me this is very much not a frivolous topic, but one of

deep significance, especially as the raw food community aspires to be a

model of sustaianbility.

 

I hope that I have finally made clear my wish to engage in a lively,

sometimes humorous, discussion free from personal attacks, disingenous

argumants, faulty logic, innuendo, and another un-healthful communication.

Rather I'm sure that the vast majority of us would prefer one where none of

us claims to have a monopoly on the truth, and where a diversity of

opinions and experiences are shared and valued!

 

To all of your health, no matter how much fat or fruit you eat!

 

Bruce, a.k.a Chef Sprout

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here Here Chef Sprout!!!

 

Such a logical and well written email. I fully agree with you Chef. Not to

impune Roberts beliefs and if he does well on a fruitarian diet.. as we

Aussies say... Good on ya, Robert!!! It is much healthier than the sad

diet. Anyway.. I do believe that for some profound reason the human species

of today need greens. I also believe that eating the fruits and vegetables

in season is best. One reasons is because they are fresher. I go to farms

where I can pick my own fruit and vegetables. I know that that food is

living food because I just picked it.

 

Anyway.. hello group. I am new here. My name is Diane and I am a raw

foodist wanna be. I am always trying but I live with a family that is on

the SAD diet and they think I am so over the top. It is very hard for me

to stay 100% raw. I have a family that likes to eat out at least 3 times a

week and they will not go to any of the restaurants on my list of " healthy "

places to eat, much less a " raw food " restaurant. When I go to these places

hungry.. I just cannot just eat a raw salad that they provide. It is just

plain awful. I have an emotional eating disorder too. I really struggle

with it and I just don't have the strength to overcome it when we are out at

a restaurant. I am trying.. Every day I get up with the thought, " I am

going to eat 100% raw today. I usually shop for the foods to eat that way..

but I have, disgracefully, thrown out so many rotting veges because we ate

out and the food wasn't used. Once I eat food that is cooked I find that

going back on my raw diet is so so hard for me. My cooked food cravings are

so hard to overcome. Once I stay raw for at least a week, I don't have the

cooked food cravings, such as bread and potatoes and pasta. I also crave

chocolate. I try to buy my cooked food from the health food store and I

read lables to make sure they are as healthy as posible.. but I know they

are inferior to organic raw foods. However, I have only been able to stay

100% raw for one month at the most. Somehow.. I am put in a position where

I have to eat cooked food. Either I am out with the family traveling and

raw organic food is just to hard to get on the road, or my husband wants to

go out to eat and he says things like.. " yeah.. I can't go anywhere because

your on your extreme diet. " So, I feel bad and say... " let's go out. " I

tell myeself.. I am going to eat only raw foods. But my resolve breaks down

bit by bit and the next thing I am looking at the menu and I have this

thought. " I will just eat this Salmon Fetucini this once and then I will go

back on my raw diet tomorrow.. It is a lie that I tell myself... and

incredulously believe everytime. Because what actually happens is after the

heavy meal I get this.. Ok Today I will eat what I crave and then I will go

on my diet tomorrow. Then the next day comes and I wake up craving eggs on

toast. I am hungry.. so I give in to it, because all of a sudden my raw

food in not at all what I feel like and that day is shot and I tell myself..

" Ok.. I will go on my diet tomorrow. " You know where this is going. It

will take several days to get a hold of myself and make myself go back on my

diet.. but sometimes is takes weeks!!! Sometimes only days. I am hoping

that by meeting some raw foodists and getting some support. I will be able

to overcome my problem..

 

Good health to all ... Diane

 

 

 

 

On 7/6/06, Chef Sprout <chef_sprout2001 wrote:

>

> Hi again folks

>

> In response to Robert (and staying on topic rather than responding to

> anything personal)

>

> I feel that it will be of service to the open discussion of the raw food

> diet to address to the basic assertion of his argument

>

> that physiologically we originated as tropical dwellers

>

> I won't argue this point

>

> However I would like to point out that Robert's subsequent leap of logic

> is

> faulty:

>

> that therefore our optimal diet is composed of primarily tropical fruit.

>

> Why is it faulty logic?

>

> Because MOST OF US DO NOT LIVE IN THE TROPICS!

>

> And for another huge reason: the fruit available today is not the same as

> the

> highly mineralized, wild fruit available when the human species originated

> in

> the tropics, etc.

>

> It is well-documented in the most recent raw-food research and thrity

> years of anecdotal evidence that a diet high in sweet fruit does NOT work

> for

> most of us.

>

> And despite Robert's humorous argument that because that we are

> biologically the same, we are all biochemically the same. In fact, as I

> stated before, we are each biochemically different: each us has a different

> ph, a different toxic load,

> different internal organ function, different metabolic rates, etc.

>

> Additionally, humans are also of different constitutions, or body types

> (see Gabriel Cousen's book Conscious Eating for an explanation of the

> Ayurvedic tri-dosha system and how it relates to staying balanced and

> healthy on a raw food diet).

>

> And we live in varying climates, have varying levels of physical activity,

> etc.

> as well.

>

> Some us do quite a well on what Robert would label a high-fat diet.

>

> We actually dare to eat nuts!

>

> The latest raw-food research shows that diets high in sweet fruits, which

> most

> of the tropical fruits, are actually promote disease by encouraging the

> growth of

> molds, yeasts, fugus and other pleomophic organisms in our bloodstreams.

> (See

> Gabriel Cousens' Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine for documantation).

>

> Low-glycemic diets that eliminate sweet fruits or diets that add copious

> amounts

> of greens into the diet are actually the ones that cleanse and heal our

> bodies.

> (See Cousens and Boutenko) And check this out: undermineralized fruit

> actually

> strips our bodies of valuable nutritients! Some well-known educators

> promote and

> many of us experience that by eating nutrient-dense, highly mineralized

> " superfoods " we actually find our deepest level of health and balance.

>

> Of course we are naturally frugivorous, but many of us do not thrive

> eating

> mostly fruit. I bet if we did a survey of people on this listserve, we

> would find that a variety of raw food diets-- some with more fruit, some

> with none and loads of greeens, some with high fat, some who knows

> what--work for the variety of different individuals that we are.

>

> Two fianl points:

>

> My original post questioned the eco-logic of buying imported, tropical,

> non-organic, expensive--and let me now add: possibly irradiated-- tropical

> fruit

> when so much local organic fruit is in season. Robert dismisses my

> questioning

> as " frivolous " and " not worth discussing " . Well, I thought that this list

> was

> about discussing various facets of the raw-food diet. And this is exactly

> what

> bugs me about how Robert expresses his views: as if they are THE TRUTH, as

> opposed merely his view on subject that is very much open to discussion as

> we

> are all having different experiences and joined this list to share and

> learn.

>

> And to be very clear on my view, I think that a diet that necesarily

> depends primarily on imported tropical fruit is not only unlikely to be

> sustainable for human health, but also very unsustainable for the health of

> the planet. And to me this is very much not a frivolous topic, but one of

> deep significance, especially as the raw food community aspires to be a

> model of sustaianbility.

>

> I hope that I have finally made clear my wish to engage in a lively,

> sometimes humorous, discussion free from personal attacks, disingenous

> argumants, faulty logic, innuendo, and another un-healthful communication.

> Rather I'm sure that the vast majority of us would prefer one where none of

> us claims to have a monopoly on the truth, and where a diversity of opinions

> and experiences are shared and valued!

>

> To all of your health, no matter how much fat or fruit you eat!

>

> Bruce, a.k.a Chef Sprout

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

>

>

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Behalf Of Chef Sprout

Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:29 PM

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[RawSeattle] Response to Robert

 

 

 

Hi again folks

 

In response to Robert (and staying on topic rather than responding to

anything personal)

 

I feel that it will be of service to the open discussion of the raw food

diet to address to the basic assertion of his argument

 

that physiologically we originated as tropical dwellers

 

I won't argue this point

 

However I would like to point out that Robert's subsequent leap of logic is

faulty:

 

that therefore our optimal diet is composed of primarily tropical fruit.

 

Why is it faulty logic?

 

Because MOST OF US DO NOT LIVE IN THE TROPICS!

 

And for another huge reason: the fruit available today is not the same as

the

highly mineralized, wild fruit available when the human species originated

in

the tropics, etc.

 

It is well-documented in the most recent raw-food research and thrity

years of anecdotal evidence that a diet high in sweet fruit does NOT work

for

most of us.

 

And despite Robert's humorous argument that because that we are biologically

the same, we are all biochemically the same. In fact, as I stated before, we

are each biochemically different: each us has a different ph, a different

toxic load,

different internal organ function, different metabolic rates, etc.

 

Additionally, humans are also of different constitutions, or body types (see

Gabriel Cousen's book Conscious Eating for an explanation of the Ayurvedic

tri-dosha system and how it relates to staying balanced and healthy on a raw

food diet).

 

And we live in varying climates, have varying levels of physical activity,

etc.

as well.

 

Some us do quite a well on what Robert would label a high-fat diet.

 

We actually dare to eat nuts!

 

The latest raw-food research shows that diets high in sweet fruits, which

most

of the tropical fruits, are actually promote disease by encouraging the

growth of

molds, yeasts, fugus and other pleomophic organisms in our bloodstreams.

(See

Gabriel Cousens' Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine for documantation).

 

Low-glycemic diets that eliminate sweet fruits or diets that add copious

amounts

of greens into the diet are actually the ones that cleanse and heal our

bodies.

(See Cousens and Boutenko) And check this out: undermineralized fruit

actually

strips our bodies of valuable nutritients! Some well-known educators promote

and

many of us experience that by eating nutrient-dense, highly mineralized

" superfoods " we actually find our deepest level of health and balance.

 

Of course we are naturally frugivorous, but many of us do not thrive eating

mostly fruit. I bet if we did a survey of people on this listserve, we would

find that a variety of raw food diets-- some with more fruit, some with none

and loads of greeens, some with high fat, some who knows what--work for the

variety of different individuals that we are.

 

Two fianl points:

 

My original post questioned the eco-logic of buying imported, tropical,

non-organic, expensive--and let me now add: possibly irradiated-- tropical

fruit

when so much local organic fruit is in season. Robert dismisses my

questioning

as " frivolous " and " not worth discussing " . Well, I thought that this list

was

about discussing various facets of the raw-food diet. And this is exactly

what

bugs me about how Robert expresses his views: as if they are THE TRUTH, as

opposed merely his view on subject that is very much open to discussion as

we

are all having different experiences and joined this list to share and

learn.

 

And to be very clear on my view, I think that a diet that necesarily depends

primarily on imported tropical fruit is not only unlikely to be sustainable

for human health, but also very unsustainable for the health of the planet.

And to me this is very much not a frivolous topic, but one of deep

significance, especially as the raw food community aspires to be a model of

sustaianbility.

 

I hope that I have finally made clear my wish to engage in a lively,

sometimes humorous, discussion free from personal attacks, disingenous

argumants, faulty logic, innuendo, and another un-healthful communication.

Rather I'm sure that the vast majority of us would prefer one where none of

us claims to have a monopoly on the truth, and where a diversity of opinions

and experiences are shared and valued!

 

To all of your health, no matter how much fat or fruit you eat!

 

Bruce, a.k.a Chef Sprout

 

 

 

 

 

 

Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

 

 

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Hi Bruce,

 

Low-glycemic diets that eliminate sweet fruits or diets that add copious

amounts

of greens into the diet are actually the ones that cleanse and heal our

bodies.

(See Cousens and Boutenko)

 

********** Well, one can eat lots of fruits AND lots of greens. It's not

one or the other. Greens are necessary because of their high mineral

content.

 

And check this out: undermineralized fruit actually

strips our bodies of valuable nutritients!

 

********** This is a claim I have not heard before. Can you cite a source

for this? If it is true, as you say, that today's fruit has fewer minerals

than that of fruit in the past, that would seem to be an argument for eating

more fruit, not less.

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

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Mark Hovila wrote:

 

> Hi Bruce,

>

> >And check this out: undermineralized fruit actually

> >strips our bodies of valuable nutritients!

>

 

 

 

 

Why just undermineralized fruit strips our bodies of nutritions and not

refined sugar or starch, etc.? I'd say undermineralized FOOD may strip

our bodies of nutritionts.

 

>

> ********** This is a claim I have not heard before. Can you cite a source

> for this? If it is true, as you say, that today's fruit has fewer minerals

> than that of fruit in the past

>

 

>

 

 

 

It is true, Mark, that today's foods have less minerals than they used

to. I've read that in the news a little while ago. I've been checking

brix level of some fruits and vegetables and found vegetables do not

fare better. Actually most of what I've found were so depressing I don't

check on veggies much these days. The reason is that our top soils are

very much demineralized.

 

Helen

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