Science, frugivores, conclusions, and details.

[Guest guest]

Hi Anthony,

 

The purpose of my post that started with a comment on mother's milk

and fruit was to reveal that detailed nutrient and other chemistry

analysis is not of first importance in determining the dietary

character of a species.

 

After the dietary needs of a species are determined by other more

general less microscopic means, nutrient analysis can be used to

reveal the actual nutrients in the foods of that diet and how they

work.

 

Comparisons to other specie's diet can then be made.

 

I pointed out that when a detailed nutrient study is used first to

determine the correct diet, and mistakes in conclusions are most

likely as the researcher or investigator gets lost in the details.

 

The example of infant formula use supported my argument. Hundreds of

millions of mothers were lulled into accepting the detailed nutrient

and chemistry studies that indicated infant formula was equivalent or

better than mothers' breastmilk.

 

Raw fooders are doing the same when they use detailed nutrient and

chemistry analysis of fruit, among other scientific nutrition

studies, to convince themselves that fruit is not the best food for

humans, and can be replaced by other inferior foods.

 

To correctly determine a specie's dietary nature, the correct

sciences must be used first. These sciences are comparative anatomy,

physiology, and psychology. Evolution, paleontology, and history can

also be used for further verification, with biochemistry and

nutrition being used later to provide details for comparing one

specie's diet to another specie's diet.

 

Sorry if I did not make that clear in my post.

 

 

AFTER more general science fields are used to reveal the human

specie's natural dietetic nature (which turns out to be frugivorous),

further detailed science fields can be used to explain these

revelations.

 

For an example of further detailed study:

 

A baby who nurses on human mother's breastmilk, which is sweet, is

properly weaned off of milk onto a diet of sweet fruit. The sweet

fruit matches very closely the properties of the breastmilk, making

it easy and natural for the baby to be weaned off milk and put onto

solid foods.

 

The important matching qualities of fruit and breast milk are:

 

Fruit is 80-95 % water. Mother's milk averages 87 % water.

Fruit is 10 % sugar. Mother's milk is around 7 % sugar.

Fruit is 1-2 % protein. Mother's milk is around 2 % protein.

Fruit is 0.5 to 1 % fat. Mothers' milk is around 4% fat.

 

The fruit's high water content matches the infant's needs and

desires, which breastmilk satisfies also.

 

The fruit's slightly higher sugar content makes the fruit attractive

to the infant during weaning.

 

The protein content of fruit is a bit lower, but still enables

growth. A babie's most rapid growth is in the first year when it is

nursing, requiring protein supplies to be at their height, as

provided by breastmilk. As the baby matures, protein needs are

reduced, since the baby is growing less quickly. The baby is only

completely weaned off breast milk at age 3 or 4, as is still done in

less civilized, westernized, and modernized cultures, and in wilder

groups of humans.

 

The fat content of milk is significantly higher than fruit's and

reflects the growing baby's need for more fat in its first months and

beginning years. Brain tissue and hormones are mostly fat molecules,

and the baby's brains and fat-needing glandular organs grow most

rapidly in the early months and years of nursing. Fat plays many

roles in a developing baby, including acting as an insulant and

padding for protection. Fat needs drop as fat-requiring development

slows, which prompts the weaning progress, and more fruit is eaten.

One can note how common it is for baby's to " lose their baby fat " as

they mature and reach 4 or 5 years of age.

 

Tooth growth coincides with the onset of normal weaning, making fruit

eating possible.

 

So it is that science can be used to both reveal and explain the

frugivorous nature of the human species, from birth to death.

 

When proper protocols of scientific investigation are not followed,

confusion results. The civilized human being is deeply lost in

abnormal eating habits, and an intellectual procurement of its true

dietary nature now requires an extra careful study and strict and

vigilant adherance to correct scientific investigation techniques.

 

Robert

 

P.s.

 

For interest's sake, and since it was commented on, cow and goat

milk, with their non-sweetness, are more reflective of the juicy

grasses and herbage that calves will be needing to eat after weaning.

 

Most fruits are sweet. There are thousands of varieties of sweet

fruits that fit the human's needs, and the few fruits that are

unpleasant do not provide contrary evidence. Humans are a tropical

creature, not a temperate one. More plentiful and attractive fruit

grows in the tropics. In like manner, that porcupines have quills is

no evidence that foxes and coyotes are not carnivores.

 

Humans have an ability to digest proteins, fats, and starches, of

course, since these are components of fruit. Humans have a relatively

and comparatively weak digestive system designed for the readily and

easily digested nutrients in fruit. Fruit is practically predigested

food.

 

Birds are primarily insectivores and graminovores (eat grain from

grasses). Tiny foods for generally tiny organisms. Even the larger

chicken eats insects, grains, and grubs. Birds have digestive systems

specially designed for their diets.

 

Nestle people may be evil, but a protection against commercial

businesses is to educate oneself carefully, properly, and correctly.

Truth is the guardian of life.

[Guest guest]

Robert-

Your approach makes sense if one believes, such as you do, that humans are

frugivores. There are numerous scientific studies in the fields that you mention

which do not agree with the assessment that you believe. This page provides a

nice starting point for the conclusion that humans are faunivores rather than

frugivores and adddresses your conclusions about fruit/breast milk. You might

find it interesting...or not?

 

http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/research/index.shtml

 

In any case, the feature defining of eating for me is what helps me to feel

healthy and well and what tastes good. I'm getting to the point whare I don't

care so much about -isms or studies. Your choice of foods appears to be

working for you.

 

Be Well,

Richard

 

-------------- Original message --------------

" Robert Rust " <rustrobert

 

> Hi Anthony,

>

> The purpose of my post that started with a comment on mother's milk

> and fruit was to reveal that detailed nutrient and other chemistry

> analysis is not of first importance in determining the dietary

> character of a species.

>

> After the dietary needs of a species are determined by other more

> general less microscopic means, nutrient analysis can be used to

> reveal the actual nutrients in the foods of that diet and how they

> work.

>

> Comparisons to other specie's diet can then be made.

>

> I pointed out that when a detailed nutrient study is used first to

> determine the correct diet, and mistakes in conclusions are most

> likely as the researcher or investigator gets lost in the details.

>

> The example of infant formula use supported my argument. Hundreds of

> millions of mothers were lulled into accepting the detailed nutrient

> and chemistry studies that indicated infant formula was equivalent or

> better than mothers' breastmilk.

>

> Raw fooders are doing the same when they use detailed nutrient and

> chemistry analysis of fruit, among other scientific nutrition

> studies, to convince themselves that fruit is not the best food for

> humans, and can be replaced by other inferior foods.

>

> To correctly determine a specie's dietary nature, the correct

> sciences must be used first. These sciences are comparative anatomy,

> physiology, and psychology. Evolution, paleontology, and history can

> also be used for further verification, with biochemistry and

> nutrition being used later to provide details for comparing one

> specie's diet to another specie's diet.

>

> Sorry if I did not make that clear in my post.

>

>

> AFTER more general science fields are used to reveal the human

> specie's natural dietetic nature (which turns out to be frugivorous),

> further detailed science fields can be used to explain these

> revelations.

>

> For an example of further detailed study:

>

> A baby who nurses on human mother's breastmilk, which is sweet, is

> properly weaned off of milk onto a diet of sweet fruit. The sweet

> fruit matches very closely the properties of the breastmilk, making

> it easy and natural for the baby to be weaned off milk and put onto

> solid foods.

>

> The important matching qualities of fruit and breast milk are:

>

> Fruit is 80-95 % water. Mother's milk averages 87 % water.

> Fruit is 10 % sugar. Mother's milk is around 7 % sugar.

> Fruit is 1-2 % protein. Mother's milk is around 2 % protein.

> Fruit is 0.5 to 1 % fat. Mothers' milk is around 4% fat.

>

> The fruit's high water content matches the infant's needs and

> desires, which breastmilk satisfies also.

>

> The fruit's slightly higher sugar content makes the fruit attractive

> to the infant during weaning.

>

> The protein content of fruit is a bit lower, but still enables

> growth. A babie's most rapid growth is in the first year when it is

> nursing, requiring protein supplies to be at their height, as

> provided by breastmilk. As the baby matures, protein needs are

> reduced, since the baby is growing less quickly. The baby is only

> completely weaned off breast milk at age 3 or 4, as is still done in

> less civilized, westernized, and modernized cultures, and in wilder

> groups of humans.

>

> The fat content of milk is significantly higher than fruit's and

> reflects the growing baby's need for more fat in its first months and

> beginning years. Brain tissue and hormones are mostly fat molecules,

> and the baby's brains and fat-needing glandular organs grow most

> rapidly in the early months and years of nursing. Fat plays many

> roles in a developing baby, including acting as an insulant and

> padding for protection. Fat needs drop as fat-requiring development

> slows, which prompts the weaning progress, and more fruit is eaten.

> One can note how common it is for baby's to " lose their baby fat " as

> they mature and reach 4 or 5 years of age.

>

> Tooth growth coincides with the onset of normal weaning, making fruit

> eating possible.

>

> So it is that science can be used to both reveal and explain the

> frugivorous nature of the human species, from birth to death.

>

> When proper protocols of scientific investigation are not followed,

> confusion results. The civilized human being is deeply lost in

> abnormal eating habits, and an intellectual procurement of its true

> dietary nature now requires an extra careful study and strict and

> vigilant adherance to correct scientific investigation techniques.

>

> Robert

>

> P.s.

>

> For interest's sake, and since it was commented on, cow and goat

> milk, with their non-sweetness, are more reflective of the juicy

> grasses and herbage that calves will be needing to eat after weaning.

>

> Most fruits are sweet. There are thousands of varieties of sweet

> fruits that fit the human's needs, and the few fruits that are

> unpleasant do not provide contrary evidence. Humans are a tropical

> creature, not a temperate one. More plentiful and attractive fruit

> grows in the tropics. In like manner, that porcupines have quills is

> no evidence that foxes and coyotes are not carnivores.

>

> Humans have an ability to digest proteins, fats, and starches, of

> course, since these are components of fruit. Humans have a relatively

> and comparatively weak digestive system designed for the readily and

> easily digested nutrients in fruit. Fruit is practically predigested

> food.

>

> Birds are primarily insectivores and graminovores (eat grain from

> grasses). Tiny foods for generally tiny organisms. Even the larger

> chicken eats insects, grains, and grubs. Birds have digestive systems

> specially designed for their diets.

>

> Nestle people may be evil, but a protection against commercial

> businesses is to educate oneself carefully, properly, and correctly.

> Truth is the guardian of life.

>

>

>

>

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