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Shari,

I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

Still hoping.

Thanks.

Nick

 

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SV

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet

 

 

Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them

and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if

they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind.

 

And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com

 

Shari

 

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Nick,

 

 

 

You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why?

 

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

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Shari,

I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/-noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

Still hoping.

Thanks.

Nick

 

 

 

 

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Didn't think I was buying animal/violent footwear with what I buy. Hmmm....no

wool, no leather, but I guess rubber on the Keen's is a problem. Guess I'll

have to move where I can go barefoot.

 

What about your bike tires? Aren't they petrol based? I can't get so hung up

on all this. I think I'll take Yasphal's approach and bow out of this

conversation. Obviously I am not one to give any suggestions as I do wear

SmartWool when I partake of a petrol consuming sport of downhill skiing.

 

Shari

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Nick Hein

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM

[RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

 

Shari,

I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

Still hoping.

Thanks.

Nick

 

-

SV

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet

 

Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them

and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if

they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind.

 

And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com

 

Shari

 

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Hi Nick,

I think synthetics are more abrasive than natural fibers, which I why I get

weird big calluses (which crack) if I go hiking in my bare feet in rubber

sandals too much. Wearing light colored cotton socks (which reflect some of the

sun's heat) reduce the callous buildup, however these socks doesn't work in the

wet and cold. They make Gore-Tex socks, but these aren't comfortable next to the

skin.

 

When I use my hands a lot when wearing gloves, they seem to get more chapped

with the wicking glove liners than plain knit polyester liners. I don't know if

the wicking liners wick away the oil along with the sweat, or if the fibers are

more abrasive than regular polyester.

 

How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I mention it, I can't recall any

comments about possible ethics issues related to silk, are there any?

 

My hands do much better for extended active glove wear when I wear silk glove

liners. Since my feet seem to do okay with non-wicking polyester next to the

skin, I haven't tried silk sock liners. Using silk glove liners seems to be the

only way to avoid cold chapped hands for me. While silk soaks up more moisture

than synthetics, it doesn't get nearly as soggy as cotton.

 

Even though it is counter to all outdoor survival practices, I usually wear

cotton underwear next to my skin, even in winter, because this is what my skin

is happiest with. I'm careful to adjust my clothing layers so the cotton

underwear doesn't get too sweaty, and then adjust the layers so it dries out

quickly if I did get sweaty.

 

Its too easy to get blisters with cotton socks in boots, and too hard to keep

fingers warm with cotton gloves, so these are the 2 areas where I don't have

cotton next to my skin in winter. Since I'm allergic to wool, that's not an

option for me.

 

I know what you mean about cramping your toes with shoes. When it gets too cold

and wet for sandals, I wear oversize flexible boots with fluffy polyester socks

so my toes still have room to wiggle.

 

Ethical winter footwear is the most difficult issue to find solutions for in

harsh winter weather of all of the different clothing items.

 

My compromise in the past has been to buy high quality leather/synthetic boots,

which last a long time, then carefully take care of them so they last for many

years, and get them repaired until there isn't anything left to repair. For all

other clothing items I've found none-leather solutions.

 

Lately I've started experimenting with gaiters over boots, and its worked out

pretty well, so I have been rethinking my boot practices. I'm thinking that the

light boots, which use fabric instead of leather, might work lots better in

harsh conditions when combining them with gaiters.

 

Here is another footwear combination suggestion for you, which is vegan

according to some definitions, partially raw, could be done with a lot of

natural fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your toes to wiggle:

Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for the soles, fluffy wool socks,

felted wool gaiters or cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its

raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool socks don't work next to the

skin, you could try a silk sock inside the wool sock.

 

I've seen a vegan light boot made from 100% recycled products somewhere before,

but I'm not sure where. Likely you would have to make the gaiters as most

gaiters are made from polyester fabric.

 

Here are the links I usually start with for outdoor wear:

Gaiters, gloves, and mitts www.outdoorresearch.com based in Seattle where the

wet/cold is a big challenge

Technical winter wear and mountaineering gear www.mountaingear.com

Silk glove liners www.wintersilks.com they have a complete line of silk under

layers

General stuff www.rei.com

Midwest styles of outdoor gear which REI doesn't carry www.campmor.com

 

May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter,

Roger

 

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" Nick Hein " <nick.hein

<RawSeattle >

Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM

[RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

 

> Shari,

> I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

> Still hoping.

> Thanks.

> Nick

>

 

 

 

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Shari,

I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about what you're

doing. All I meant to do was get socks and shoes from plant-based sources. Any

help would be appreciated.

 

But, as a matter of fact, I am looking for places to recycle old tires and get

new ones that are sustainable if anyone knows of such. (reply offline please)

Until I do find a source of plant based, non-sweatshop tires I'm recycling

bikes. I've done 700 in the past year, many of which have kept cars off the

road that would have done far more damage. Riding year-round in sandals (the

result of excellent blood circulation from eating raw food) has inspired others

locally to eat more raw fruit and vegetables.

 

I hope you find peace and joy with whatever inspires you.

Thanks.

 

 

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SV

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 1:35 PM

Re: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

 

Didn't think I was buying animal/violent footwear with what I buy. Hmmm....no

wool, no leather, but I guess rubber on the Keen's is a problem. Guess I'll have

to move where I can go barefoot.

 

What about your bike tires? Aren't they petrol based? I can't get so hung up

on all this. I think I'll take Yasphal's approach and bow out of this

conversation. Obviously I am not one to give any suggestions as I do wear

SmartWool when I partake of a petrol consuming sport of downhill skiing.

 

Shari

-

Nick Hein

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM

[RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

Shari,

I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

Still hoping.

Thanks.

Nick

 

-

SV

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM

Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet

 

Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them

and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if

they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind.

 

And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com

 

Shari

 

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Mark,

In response to your question

<You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why?>

 

I could make a pretty long list. But at the top would be..

 

- Oil and the greed it inspires encourage people to do destructive things

instead of sustainable ones.

 

No raw content in this one, sorry.

Nick

 

 

 

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Mark Hovila

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 12:45 PM

RE: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

 

Nick,

 

You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why?

 

Mark

 

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Shari,

I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/-noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

Still hoping.

Thanks.

Nick

 

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Roger,

Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of experience. My immediate need would

probably be served with silk socks, the climate isn't that severe here.

However, I'll keep the other information about the colder/wetter weather items.

I'm from the midwest (WI/MN) and like to go back there when I can - and XC ski

when I do. My Mom is currently very big on felting so I might be able to get

felt wool gaiters. She's making me knit wool socks for Christmas.

 

Thanks again.

Nick Hein

Morgantown, WV

 

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Roger Padvorac

RawSeattle

Monday, October 30, 2006 2:07 PM

Re: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

 

Hi Nick,

I think synthetics are more abrasive than natural fibers, which I why I get

weird big calluses (which crack) if I go hiking in my bare feet in rubber

sandals too much. Wearing light colored cotton socks (which reflect some of the

sun's heat) reduce the callous buildup, however these socks doesn't work in the

wet and cold. They make Gore-Tex socks, but these aren't comfortable next to the

skin.

 

When I use my hands a lot when wearing gloves, they seem to get more chapped

with the wicking glove liners than plain knit polyester liners. I don't know if

the wicking liners wick away the oil along with the sweat, or if the fibers are

more abrasive than regular polyester.

 

How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I mention it, I can't recall any

comments about possible ethics issues related to silk, are there any?

 

My hands do much better for extended active glove wear when I wear silk glove

liners. Since my feet seem to do okay with non-wicking polyester next to the

skin, I haven't tried silk sock liners. Using silk glove liners seems to be the

only way to avoid cold chapped hands for me. While silk soaks up more moisture

than synthetics, it doesn't get nearly as soggy as cotton.

 

Even though it is counter to all outdoor survival practices, I usually wear

cotton underwear next to my skin, even in winter, because this is what my skin

is happiest with. I'm careful to adjust my clothing layers so the cotton

underwear doesn't get too sweaty, and then adjust the layers so it dries out

quickly if I did get sweaty.

 

Its too easy to get blisters with cotton socks in boots, and too hard to keep

fingers warm with cotton gloves, so these are the 2 areas where I don't have

cotton next to my skin in winter. Since I'm allergic to wool, that's not an

option for me.

 

I know what you mean about cramping your toes with shoes. When it gets too

cold and wet for sandals, I wear oversize flexible boots with fluffy polyester

socks so my toes still have room to wiggle.

 

Ethical winter footwear is the most difficult issue to find solutions for in

harsh winter weather of all of the different clothing items.

 

My compromise in the past has been to buy high quality leather/synthetic

boots, which last a long time, then carefully take care of them so they last for

many years, and get them repaired until there isn't anything left to repair. For

all other clothing items I've found none-leather solutions.

 

Lately I've started experimenting with gaiters over boots, and its worked out

pretty well, so I have been rethinking my boot practices. I'm thinking that the

light boots, which use fabric instead of leather, might work lots better in

harsh conditions when combining them with gaiters.

 

Here is another footwear combination suggestion for you, which is vegan

according to some definitions, partially raw, could be done with a lot of

natural fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your toes to wiggle:

Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for the soles, fluffy wool

socks, felted wool gaiters or cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its

raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool socks don't work next to the

skin, you could try a silk sock inside the wool sock.

 

I've seen a vegan light boot made from 100% recycled products somewhere

before, but I'm not sure where. Likely you would have to make the gaiters as

most gaiters are made from polyester fabric.

 

Here are the links I usually start with for outdoor wear:

Gaiters, gloves, and mitts www.outdoorresearch.com based in Seattle where the

wet/cold is a big challenge

Technical winter wear and mountaineering gear www.mountaingear.com

Silk glove liners www.wintersilks.com they have a complete line of silk under

layers

General stuff www.rei.com

Midwest styles of outdoor gear which REI doesn't carry www.campmor.com

 

May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter,

Roger

 

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" Nick Hein " <nick.hein

<RawSeattle >

Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM

[RawSeattle] Raw footwear

 

> Shari,

> I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc.

> Still hoping.

> Thanks.

> Nick

>

 

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You may want to try the PETA website; there are links

to vegan products. I don't know about the non-petrol,

though. Even if not used in the product, petrol is

probably used in shipping and manufacturing. I'm

always asking myself how far do I want to go with

decisions in a world that doesn't seem to always get

it? One example--I'm having the mercury removed from

my mouth and I wanted a gold crown replaced. The goal

was to have no metal in my mouth. So I'm informed

that all porceline crowns contain aluminum oxide

except for one brand that is plastic and not as

strong. *sigh* Wish when I was a kid I'd taken better

care of my teeth! I've finally decided that we do the

best we can and go from there. I'm always happy to see

the world getting it at least some of the time--I just

hope it keeps going in a positive direction :-)

 

 

 

--- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote:

 

> Shari,

> I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent

> socks, shoes, etc.

> Still hoping.

> Thanks.

> Nick

>

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> SV

> RawSeattle

> Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM

> Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned

> feet

>

>

> Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my

> Keen's and Earthshoes from them and I know they

> carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't

> know if they have anything specific to what you

> need, but they came to mind.

>

> And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com

>

> Shari

>

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--- Roger Padvorac <roger wrote:

 

> How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I

> mention it, I can't recall any comments about

> possible ethics issues related to silk, are there

> any?

 

Silk comes from animals and is not vegan. There are

articles online available that explore the

ethical/environmental issues of using silk.

 

Wool is an animal product and is not vegan under the

definition for the word " vegan " given by the American

Vegan Society. Again, there are articles online that

explore the ethics of using silk and that explain the

practise of AHIMSA that some people choose to follow.

Sometimes people become confused about the difference

between being a strict vegetarian and a vegan and

there are discussions about the definitions of those

terms online as well.

>

> Here is another footwear combination suggestion for

> you, which is vegan according to some definitions,

> partially raw, could be done with a lot of natural

> fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your

> toes to wiggle:

> Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for

> the soles, fluffy wool socks, felted wool gaiters or

> cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its

> raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool

> socks don't work next to the skin, you could try a

> silk sock inside the wool sock.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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I did a search using " earth friendly bicycle tires "

and came up with some hits.

 

--- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote:

 

> >

> But, as a matter of fact, I am looking for places to

> recycle old tires and get new ones that are

> sustainable if anyone knows of such. (reply offline

> please) .

 

 

 

 

 

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Also,

 

There is a local (Seattle) company that recycles bike tires to make

bike bags (?). I had read about them, but don't recall the name.

 

Jeff

 

On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Susan wrote:

 

> I did a search using " earth friendly bicycle tires "

> and came up with some hits.

 

 

 

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