Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Shari, I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc. Still hoping. Thanks. Nick - SV RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind. And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Nick, You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why? Mark _____ Shari, I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/-noviolent socks, shoes, etc. Still hoping. Thanks. Nick -- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Didn't think I was buying animal/violent footwear with what I buy. Hmmm....no wool, no leather, but I guess rubber on the Keen's is a problem. Guess I'll have to move where I can go barefoot. What about your bike tires? Aren't they petrol based? I can't get so hung up on all this. I think I'll take Yasphal's approach and bow out of this conversation. Obviously I am not one to give any suggestions as I do wear SmartWool when I partake of a petrol consuming sport of downhill skiing. Shari - Nick Hein RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM [RawSeattle] Raw footwear Shari, I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc. Still hoping. Thanks. Nick - SV RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind. And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hi Nick, I think synthetics are more abrasive than natural fibers, which I why I get weird big calluses (which crack) if I go hiking in my bare feet in rubber sandals too much. Wearing light colored cotton socks (which reflect some of the sun's heat) reduce the callous buildup, however these socks doesn't work in the wet and cold. They make Gore-Tex socks, but these aren't comfortable next to the skin. When I use my hands a lot when wearing gloves, they seem to get more chapped with the wicking glove liners than plain knit polyester liners. I don't know if the wicking liners wick away the oil along with the sweat, or if the fibers are more abrasive than regular polyester. How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I mention it, I can't recall any comments about possible ethics issues related to silk, are there any? My hands do much better for extended active glove wear when I wear silk glove liners. Since my feet seem to do okay with non-wicking polyester next to the skin, I haven't tried silk sock liners. Using silk glove liners seems to be the only way to avoid cold chapped hands for me. While silk soaks up more moisture than synthetics, it doesn't get nearly as soggy as cotton. Even though it is counter to all outdoor survival practices, I usually wear cotton underwear next to my skin, even in winter, because this is what my skin is happiest with. I'm careful to adjust my clothing layers so the cotton underwear doesn't get too sweaty, and then adjust the layers so it dries out quickly if I did get sweaty. Its too easy to get blisters with cotton socks in boots, and too hard to keep fingers warm with cotton gloves, so these are the 2 areas where I don't have cotton next to my skin in winter. Since I'm allergic to wool, that's not an option for me. I know what you mean about cramping your toes with shoes. When it gets too cold and wet for sandals, I wear oversize flexible boots with fluffy polyester socks so my toes still have room to wiggle. Ethical winter footwear is the most difficult issue to find solutions for in harsh winter weather of all of the different clothing items. My compromise in the past has been to buy high quality leather/synthetic boots, which last a long time, then carefully take care of them so they last for many years, and get them repaired until there isn't anything left to repair. For all other clothing items I've found none-leather solutions. Lately I've started experimenting with gaiters over boots, and its worked out pretty well, so I have been rethinking my boot practices. I'm thinking that the light boots, which use fabric instead of leather, might work lots better in harsh conditions when combining them with gaiters. Here is another footwear combination suggestion for you, which is vegan according to some definitions, partially raw, could be done with a lot of natural fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your toes to wiggle: Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for the soles, fluffy wool socks, felted wool gaiters or cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool socks don't work next to the skin, you could try a silk sock inside the wool sock. I've seen a vegan light boot made from 100% recycled products somewhere before, but I'm not sure where. Likely you would have to make the gaiters as most gaiters are made from polyester fabric. Here are the links I usually start with for outdoor wear: Gaiters, gloves, and mitts www.outdoorresearch.com based in Seattle where the wet/cold is a big challenge Technical winter wear and mountaineering gear www.mountaingear.com Silk glove liners www.wintersilks.com they have a complete line of silk under layers General stuff www.rei.com Midwest styles of outdoor gear which REI doesn't carry www.campmor.com May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter, Roger - " Nick Hein " <nick.hein <RawSeattle > Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM [RawSeattle] Raw footwear > Shari, > I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc. > Still hoping. > Thanks. > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Shari, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about what you're doing. All I meant to do was get socks and shoes from plant-based sources. Any help would be appreciated. But, as a matter of fact, I am looking for places to recycle old tires and get new ones that are sustainable if anyone knows of such. (reply offline please) Until I do find a source of plant based, non-sweatshop tires I'm recycling bikes. I've done 700 in the past year, many of which have kept cars off the road that would have done far more damage. Riding year-round in sandals (the result of excellent blood circulation from eating raw food) has inspired others locally to eat more raw fruit and vegetables. I hope you find peace and joy with whatever inspires you. Thanks. - SV RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 1:35 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear Didn't think I was buying animal/violent footwear with what I buy. Hmmm....no wool, no leather, but I guess rubber on the Keen's is a problem. Guess I'll have to move where I can go barefoot. What about your bike tires? Aren't they petrol based? I can't get so hung up on all this. I think I'll take Yasphal's approach and bow out of this conversation. Obviously I am not one to give any suggestions as I do wear SmartWool when I partake of a petrol consuming sport of downhill skiing. Shari - Nick Hein RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM [RawSeattle] Raw footwear Shari, I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc. Still hoping. Thanks. Nick - SV RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned feet Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my Keen's and Earthshoes from them and I know they carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't know if they have anything specific to what you need, but they came to mind. And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Mark, In response to your question <You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why?> I could make a pretty long list. But at the top would be.. - Oil and the greed it inspires encourage people to do destructive things instead of sustainable ones. No raw content in this one, sorry. Nick - Mark Hovila RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 12:45 PM RE: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear Nick, You can get vegan Earth shoes, and other brands too. But non-petrol? Why? Mark _____ Shari, I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/-noviolent socks, shoes, etc. Still hoping. Thanks. Nick -- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Roger, Thanks so much for sharing your wealth of experience. My immediate need would probably be served with silk socks, the climate isn't that severe here. However, I'll keep the other information about the colder/wetter weather items. I'm from the midwest (WI/MN) and like to go back there when I can - and XC ski when I do. My Mom is currently very big on felting so I might be able to get felt wool gaiters. She's making me knit wool socks for Christmas. Thanks again. Nick Hein Morgantown, WV - Roger Padvorac RawSeattle Monday, October 30, 2006 2:07 PM Re: [RawSeattle] Raw footwear Hi Nick, I think synthetics are more abrasive than natural fibers, which I why I get weird big calluses (which crack) if I go hiking in my bare feet in rubber sandals too much. Wearing light colored cotton socks (which reflect some of the sun's heat) reduce the callous buildup, however these socks doesn't work in the wet and cold. They make Gore-Tex socks, but these aren't comfortable next to the skin. When I use my hands a lot when wearing gloves, they seem to get more chapped with the wicking glove liners than plain knit polyester liners. I don't know if the wicking liners wick away the oil along with the sweat, or if the fibers are more abrasive than regular polyester. How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I mention it, I can't recall any comments about possible ethics issues related to silk, are there any? My hands do much better for extended active glove wear when I wear silk glove liners. Since my feet seem to do okay with non-wicking polyester next to the skin, I haven't tried silk sock liners. Using silk glove liners seems to be the only way to avoid cold chapped hands for me. While silk soaks up more moisture than synthetics, it doesn't get nearly as soggy as cotton. Even though it is counter to all outdoor survival practices, I usually wear cotton underwear next to my skin, even in winter, because this is what my skin is happiest with. I'm careful to adjust my clothing layers so the cotton underwear doesn't get too sweaty, and then adjust the layers so it dries out quickly if I did get sweaty. Its too easy to get blisters with cotton socks in boots, and too hard to keep fingers warm with cotton gloves, so these are the 2 areas where I don't have cotton next to my skin in winter. Since I'm allergic to wool, that's not an option for me. I know what you mean about cramping your toes with shoes. When it gets too cold and wet for sandals, I wear oversize flexible boots with fluffy polyester socks so my toes still have room to wiggle. Ethical winter footwear is the most difficult issue to find solutions for in harsh winter weather of all of the different clothing items. My compromise in the past has been to buy high quality leather/synthetic boots, which last a long time, then carefully take care of them so they last for many years, and get them repaired until there isn't anything left to repair. For all other clothing items I've found none-leather solutions. Lately I've started experimenting with gaiters over boots, and its worked out pretty well, so I have been rethinking my boot practices. I'm thinking that the light boots, which use fabric instead of leather, might work lots better in harsh conditions when combining them with gaiters. Here is another footwear combination suggestion for you, which is vegan according to some definitions, partially raw, could be done with a lot of natural fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your toes to wiggle: Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for the soles, fluffy wool socks, felted wool gaiters or cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool socks don't work next to the skin, you could try a silk sock inside the wool sock. I've seen a vegan light boot made from 100% recycled products somewhere before, but I'm not sure where. Likely you would have to make the gaiters as most gaiters are made from polyester fabric. Here are the links I usually start with for outdoor wear: Gaiters, gloves, and mitts www.outdoorresearch.com based in Seattle where the wet/cold is a big challenge Technical winter wear and mountaineering gear www.mountaingear.com Silk glove liners www.wintersilks.com they have a complete line of silk under layers General stuff www.rei.com Midwest styles of outdoor gear which REI doesn't carry www.campmor.com May your day be filled with clarity, grace, progress, and warm laughter, Roger - " Nick Hein " <nick.hein <RawSeattle > Monday, October 30, 2006 9:03 AM [RawSeattle] Raw footwear > Shari, > I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent socks, shoes, etc. > Still hoping. > Thanks. > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 You may want to try the PETA website; there are links to vegan products. I don't know about the non-petrol, though. Even if not used in the product, petrol is probably used in shipping and manufacturing. I'm always asking myself how far do I want to go with decisions in a world that doesn't seem to always get it? One example--I'm having the mercury removed from my mouth and I wanted a gold crown replaced. The goal was to have no metal in my mouth. So I'm informed that all porceline crowns contain aluminum oxide except for one brand that is plastic and not as strong. *sigh* Wish when I was a kid I'd taken better care of my teeth! I've finally decided that we do the best we can and go from there. I'm always happy to see the world getting it at least some of the time--I just hope it keeps going in a positive direction :-) --- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote: > Shari, > I actually was hoping for non-petrol/vegan/noviolent > socks, shoes, etc. > Still hoping. > Thanks. > Nick > > - > SV > RawSeattle > Monday, October 30, 2006 10:33 AM > Re: [RawSeattle] Relief for windburned > feet > > > Check out www.thewalkingcompany.com I buy my > Keen's and Earthshoes from them and I know they > carry some nice socks that I wear for walking. Don't > know if they have anything specific to what you > need, but they came to mind. > > And of course there's always REI. www.rei.com > > Shari > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New .com (http://www./preview) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 --- Roger Padvorac <roger wrote: > How does silk fit into your goals? Now that I > mention it, I can't recall any comments about > possible ethics issues related to silk, are there > any? Silk comes from animals and is not vegan. There are articles online available that explore the ethical/environmental issues of using silk. Wool is an animal product and is not vegan under the definition for the word " vegan " given by the American Vegan Society. Again, there are articles online that explore the ethics of using silk and that explain the practise of AHIMSA that some people choose to follow. Sometimes people become confused about the difference between being a strict vegetarian and a vegan and there are discussions about the definitions of those terms online as well. > > Here is another footwear combination suggestion for > you, which is vegan according to some definitions, > partially raw, could be done with a lot of natural > fiber and recycled products, and it would allow your > toes to wiggle: > Oversize fabric boots using recycled products for > the soles, fluffy wool socks, felted wool gaiters or > cotton canvas gaiters worn over the boots when its > raining to slow down the rain and wind. If the wool > socks don't work next to the skin, you could try a > silk sock inside the wool sock. > ______________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Free Uniden 5.8GHz Phone System with Packet8 Internet Phone Service http://www.getpacket8.net/2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I did a search using " earth friendly bicycle tires " and came up with some hits. --- Nick Hein <nick.hein wrote: > > > But, as a matter of fact, I am looking for places to > recycle old tires and get new ones that are > sustainable if anyone knows of such. (reply offline > please) . ______________________________\ ____ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Also, There is a local (Seattle) company that recycles bike tires to make bike bags (?). I had read about them, but don't recall the name. Jeff On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Susan wrote: > I did a search using " earth friendly bicycle tires " > and came up with some hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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