Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. Their son died of severe malnutrition. http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364 As the benefits of eating raw become more well known & following this diet becomes more popular it seems that there is a great risk of folks not knowing the nutritional guidelines & other important info for this diet, especially as it relates to newborns, toddlers, and infants. I think this case shows an incredible lack of information, in this case, deadly ignorance, that needs to be addressed within the raw community. I wonder if anyone knows of any support groups for parents who want to raise vegan/raw children? If so, perhaps there can be some networking done to get the word out. This is not the first Black couple whose ignorance about vegan/raw nutritional guidelines has led to the death of a child as well as their own imprisonment. Any thoughts? Peace, Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 In a message dated 5/16/2007 10:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, healingoasis writes: I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. Their son died of severe malnutrition. http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364As the benefits of eating raw become more well known & following this diet becomes more popular it seems that there is a great risk of folks not knowing the nutritional guidelines & other important info for this diet, especially as it relates to newborns, toddlers, and infants.I think this case shows an incredible lack of information, in this case, deadly ignorance, that needs to be addressed within the raw community. I wonder if anyone knows of any support groups for parents who want to raise vegan/raw children? If so, perhaps there can be some networking done to get the word out. This is not the first Black couple whose ignorance about vegan/raw nutritional guidelines has led to the death of a child as well as their own imprisonment. Any thoughts? Peace,Shakti Your message is very timely, I think that advocates of this diet in it's complete form, need to do more than just teach each other. There a serious need for political activism and education to those in power. I saw this when the African couple in Florida got tangled up with the establishment for living this lifestyle with their family of beautiful children. If your children are raw and attend public school, talk to the neighbors, be careful. Especially if the community which you live including the school have not been educated. I am a certified foster parent, I had difficulty getting placement due to a vegan lifestyle, a complete raw would have been out of the question. Educate, educate, educate. See what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 I am so grieved to hear about this. We must teach raw fooders that children need A LOT of calories and that means lots of fruit and vegetables, raw nuts and seeds. Infants should be nursed regularly till 2 or older, plus given plenty of fruits, etc. A little one can not live on just vegetables. Fruit is what has the glucose to give us energy, then we need a small amount of fat every day, like 1/2 an avocado, 1/4 to 1/2 cup nuts or seeds, and then some leafy greens and other fresh veggies for minerals and more protein. As Doug Graham says, if we are getting enough calories, then we will be getting enough protein. Including Peas, sprouted garbanzos or lentils along with nuts and plenty of bananas, kids should do well. Since Doug and Roz now have a darling healthy daughter, I'm hoping Roz will put out a book on caring for little ones on a raw food diet. Our children need LOTS of healthy food to grow. Nancy www.healthylivingstrategies.net On Behalf Of ShaktiWednesday, May 16, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Support Group for Raw Parents? I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. Their son died of severe malnutrition. http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364As the benefits of eating raw become more well known & following this diet becomes more popular it seems that there is a great risk of folks not knowing the nutritional guidelines & other important info for this diet, especially as it relates to newborns, toddlers, and infants.I think this case shows an incredible lack of information, in this case, deadly ignorance, that needs to be addressed within the raw community. I wonder if anyone knows of any support groups for parents who want to raise vegan/raw children? If so, perhaps there can be some networking done to get the word out. This is not the first Black couple whose ignorance about vegan/raw nutritional guidelines has led to the death of a child as well as their own imprisonment. Any thoughts? Peace,Shakti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 It seems ridiculous (not to mention incredible) that the parents wouldn't have noticed the child's condition and sought medical advice, if not from a traditional doctor at least from other vegans. I think there was more going on here than just nutritional ignorance. This however does not negate the need to disseminate reliable information among the vegan community when it comes to feeding our children. /gfj Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Blessings family, The sad part of this story is the lack of knowledge and support to help this family understand how to help themselves. Babies do need breast milk. Soy and apple juice are not the way. Not sure I understand what led them to give their baby those items, but I pray that folks will honor their bodies when venturing into the live realm, and assure that they are feeding themselves and their children healthy medicine foods. one love pam zatitie Thu, 17 May 2007 5:01 AM Re: Support Group for Raw Parents? In a message dated 5/16/2007 10:08:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, healingoasis writes: I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. Their son died of severe malnutrition. http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364 As the benefits of eating raw become more well known & following this diet becomes more popular it seems that there is a great risk of folks not knowing the nutritional guidelines & other important info for this diet, especially as it relates to newborns, toddlers, and infants. I think this case shows an incredible lack of information, in this case, deadly ignorance, that needs to be addressed within the raw community. I wonder if anyone knows of any support groups for parents who want to raise vegan/raw children? If so, perhaps there can be some networking done to get the word out. This is not the first Black couple whose ignorance about vegan/raw nutritional guidelines has led to the death of a child as well as their own imprisonment. Any thoughts? Peace, Shakti Your message is very timely, I think that advocates of this diet in it's complete form, need to do more than just teach each other. There a serious need for political activism and education to those in power. I saw this when the African couple in Florida got tangled up with the establishment for living this lifestyle with their family of beautiful children. If your children are raw and attend public school, talk to the neighbors, be careful. Especially if the community which you live including the school have not been educated. I am a certified foster parent, I had difficulty getting placement due to a vegan lifestyle, a complete raw would have been out of the question. Educate, educate, educate. See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I think we miss the point entirely on this case. By allowing the corporate news media to frame the issue for us, we get entangled in a debate that falls right into the hands of corporate capitalism. I see this same attack on parents who do not vaccinate, mothers who opt for home births, parents who opt out of allopathic medicine, parents who homeschool, mothers who practice extended breastfeeding, and now parents who rear vegan, raw children. What the media is really saying is that anyone who lives outside the mainstream is a danger to the corporatocracy that has evolved in this country. Corporations want control over our pocket books, and they use government institutions and the news media to brainwash us into viewing their products and services as superior to what nature can provide to us more cheaply. Cases like these seek to confirm what we know not to be true about raw, vegan lifestyles. These cases put raw, vegans on the defensive, and it is a very natural, first response for us to blame the victims when our lifestyle is under attack (i.e., we start blaming the parents for their ignorance). The point of this case was not to punish parents for the death of their child, but to scare the public into not subscribing to the benefits of a raw, vegan lifestyle. These parents are sacrificial lambs for the corporate agenda. Trust me, if the real answer for these parents was to breastfeed their baby, this, too, would have come under attack. Remember the case of the young mother in New Jersey who was imprisoned for breastfeeding her baby who subsequently died of malnutrition? The questions that come to my mind are: 1. How many SAD parents trully understand nutrition? 2. How many SAD children are malnourished? 3. How many SAD children die early deaths from diet- induced maladies? 4. How many big media cases feature parents who are punished for the early deaths of their children due to SAD diet- induced diseases? I recall the outpouring of sympathy a mother received for systematically killing 5 of her children. She has now been taken out of prison and placed in a mental facility. How can America have more sympathy for her than for a family who advocated peace and natural health? Brainwashing. Corporate dollars influence what information we get and how stories are presented to America. The way a story is framed influences how people will respond to it. Yes, we should form support groups for vegetarian, vegan, and raw families. We all need help in understanding what's best for our children. But this case is not about raw foodism. Nor was is it about ignorant, negligent parents. What it really says to America is: see what happens when you feed your children natural foods. . .they die. . .And then IT -- the message-- subliminally affirms a SAD lifestyle. , " Shakti " <healingoasis wrote: > > I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences > given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. > They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. > Their son died of severe malnutrition. > http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Beautifully stated and, unfortunately, absolutely on point. LisaDominique <jetsetteratl1996 wrote: I think we miss the point entirely on this case. By allowing the corporate news media to frame the issue for us, we get entangled in a debate that falls right into the hands of corporate capitalism. I see this same attack on parents who do not vaccinate, mothers who opt for home births, parents who opt out of allopathic medicine, parents who homeschool, mothers who practice extended breastfeeding, and now parents who rear vegan, raw children. What the media is really saying is that anyone who lives outside the mainstream is a danger to the corporatocracy that has evolved in this country. Corporations want control over our pocket books, and they use government institutions and the news media to brainwash us into viewing their products and services as superior to what nature can provide to us more cheaply. Cases like these seek to confirm what we know not to be true about raw, vegan lifestyles. These cases put raw, vegans on the defensive, and it is a very natural, first response for us to blame the victims when our lifestyle is under attack (i.e., we start blaming the parents for their ignorance). The point of this case was not to punish parents for the death of their child, but to scare the public into not subscribing to the benefits of a raw, vegan lifestyle. These parents are sacrificial lambs for the corporate agenda. Trust me, if the real answer for these parents was to breastfeed their baby, this, too, would have come under attack. Remember the case of the young mother in New Jersey who was imprisoned for breastfeeding her baby who subsequently died of malnutrition?The questions that come to my mind are: 1. How many SAD parents trully understand nutrition? 2. How many SAD children are malnourished? 3. How many SAD children die early deaths from diet-induced maladies? 4. How many big media cases feature parents who are punished for the early deaths of their children due to SAD diet-induced diseases? I recall the outpouring of sympathy a mother received for systematically killing 5 of her children. She has now been taken out of prison and placed in a mental facility. How can America have more sympathy for her than for a family who advocated peace and natural health? Brainwashing. Corporate dollars influence what information we get and how stories are presented to America. The way a story is framed influences how people will respond to it. Yes, we should form support groups for vegetarian, vegan, and raw families. We all need help in understanding what's best for our children. But this case is not about raw foodism. Nor was is it about ignorant, negligent parents. What it really says to America is: see what happens when you feed your children natural foods. . .they die. . .And then IT -- the message-- subliminally affirms a SAD lifestyle. , "Shakti" <healingoasis wrote:>> I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences > given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. > They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. > Their son died of severe malnutrition. > http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=96364> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 greetingsi would be interested in such a group, i have been a live foodist for 15 years and currently have two children and one on the way and we eat live, and would like to exchange information with others who eat this way or are interested in eating this way and reising their children as live foodistskeep me posted belityisraelpeacebelitShakti <healingoasis Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:30:15 PM Support Group for Raw Parents? I was shocked & saddened to learn of the mandatory life sentences given to 2 young African American parents in the death of their son. They followed a raw food diet and apparently did something wrong. Their son died of severe malnutrition. http://www.11alive. com/news/ article_news. aspx?storyid= 96364 As the benefits of eating raw become more well known & following this diet becomes more popular it seems that there is a great risk of folks not knowing the nutritional guidelines & other important info for this diet, especially as it relates to newborns, toddlers, and infants. I think this case shows an incredible lack of information, in this case, deadly ignorance, that needs to be addressed within the raw community. I wonder if anyone knows of any support groups for parents who want to raise vegan/raw children? If so, perhaps there can be some networking done to get the word out. This is not the first Black couple whose ignorance about vegan/raw nutritional guidelines has led to the death of a child as well as their own imprisonment. Any thoughts? Peace, Shakti Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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