Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Pam, I encourage you to be open to the possibility that what is widely taught may not, in fact, be optimal at all. Wheat grass is caustic in the digestive system of ALL mammals. In ruminants, it requires several stomachs and recycling stages to break the stuff down, and to compensate for the caustic components, until the grass is safe to pass along into the intestine, where most nutrients are absorbed. We humans possess no such physiology. When we juice the grass, most of these caustic components enter us, and we have NO mechanism for processing them. The result is cleansing, to be sure ... of the grass juice. The parties you name have people make many, many changes, all at the same time. Therefore, they cannot determine which change yields what result. But having personally worked with people, changing NOTHING but the adding of wheat grass juice, and having tested similarly upon myself in the past, I am (painfully) aware of its caustic nature. The parties you name, and many others, put people on a diet the provides FAR fewer calories than whatever most of them ate previously. This one change, in and of itself, lightens the load on the digestive system considerably, freeing the body's resources for cleansing in other areas. Unless we observe cause-and-effect relationships with considerable care and a great sense of clarity, we tend to draw all sorts of unwarranted and often incorrect conclusions. No matter how popular the wheat grass juice may be in some circles, it is not health-invoking. I would also add that many people who drink wheat grass juice on a regular (daily or nearly so) basis experience a sense of withdrawal when they stop for a bit. This is an obvious indicator of habituation, as opposed to healthful nutrition. Best, Elchanan On Behalf Of atzzillSent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug wow,this concept sure negates live food practices. Juicing is meant for those of us who need to cleanse a lifetime of toxic waste accumulated from years of addiction to a SAD lifestyle. Wheatgrass has been known to help thousands who have suffered from cancer, diabetes and other ailments. Let's take care to consider the thoughts of those whose knowledge and practices have proven benefits both for themselves and others (e.g. Gabriel Cousins, Hippocrates Health Institute, Anne Wigmore's books etc)In TruthPamScott <scottm Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:07 pmRe: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug I do eat leaves from trees. Some are actually very delicious. Maple are great.......--ScottDon't under estimate the wisdom of nature.If man made it, don't eat it.PoisoningANation.com--- collage360 wrote:Collage Blazin <collage360 > Subject: Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbugTue, 11 Sep 2007 07:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Well, this answers the question as to why we don't eat the leaves off trees! LOLThanks for the insight Elchanan.Elchanan <Elchanan (AT) PathOfHealth (DOT) org> wrote: Tara, Anything we MUST juice to consume is not food for our species. Wheat grass is very caustic in the human digestive system, regardless of its form. Does this create the illusion of cleansing? You bet!!! What's being cleansed? The bloody juice!!! Animals designed to digest grasses all have multiple stomachs ... that's what it takes, in Nature's design, to accomplish the task. Since you have only one stomach (and I realize I'm being a bit presumptuous, since we haven't actually met), you are not so designed. Best, Elchanan __._,_._ Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods.com Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Elchanan, Could you please give us any studies that indicate that wheatgrass is caustic to the human system? I tend to agree with you about the many changes simultaneously will obscure the cause and effect relationship, but these must based on observation of some sort. -TinoElchanan <Elchanan Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:32:59 AM Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug Pam, I encourage you to be open to the possibility that what is widely taught may not, in fact, be optimal at all. Wheat grass is caustic in the digestive system of ALL mammals. In ruminants, it requires several stomachs and recycling stages to break the stuff down, and to compensate for the caustic components, until the grass is safe to pass along into the intestine, where most nutrients are absorbed. We humans possess no such physiology. When we juice the grass, most of these caustic components enter us, and we have NO mechanism for processing them. The result is cleansing, to be sure ... of the grass juice. The parties you name have people make many, many changes, all at the same time. Therefore, they cannot determine which change yields what result. But having personally worked with people, changing NOTHING but the adding of wheat grass juice, and having tested similarly upon myself in the past, I am (painfully) aware of its caustic nature. The parties you name, and many others, put people on a diet the provides FAR fewer calories than whatever most of them ate previously. This one change, in and of itself, lightens the load on the digestive system considerably, freeing the body's resources for cleansing in other areas. Unless we observe cause-and-effect relationships with considerable care and a great sense of clarity, we tend to draw all sorts of unwarranted and often incorrect conclusions. No matter how popular the wheat grass juice may be in some circles, it is not health-invoking. I would also add that many people who drink wheat grass juice on a regular (daily or nearly so) basis experience a sense of withdrawal when they stop for a bit. This is an obvious indicator of habituation, as opposed to healthful nutrition. Best, Elchanan @ .com [] On Behalf Of atzzill (AT) aol (DOT) comThursday, September 20, 2007 7:51 PM@ .comRe: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug wow,this concept sure negates live food practices. Juicing is meant for those of us who need to cleanse a lifetime of toxic waste accumulated from years of addiction to a SAD lifestyle. Wheatgrass has been known to help thousands who have suffered from cancer, diabetes and other ailments. Let's take care to consider the thoughts of those whose knowledge and practices have proven benefits both for themselves and others (e.g. Gabriel Cousins, Hippocrates Health Institute, Anne Wigmore's books etc)In TruthPamScott <scottm (AT) rawfoods (DOT) com>@ .comTue, 11 Sep 2007 4:07 pmRe: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug I do eat leaves from trees. Some are actually very delicious. Maple are great.......--ScottDon't under estimate the wisdom of nature.If man made it, don't eat it.PoisoningANation. com--- collage360 wrote:Collage Blazin <collage360 >@ .comRe: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbugTue, 11 Sep 2007 07:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Well, this answers the question as to why we don't eat the leaves off trees! LOLThanks for the insight Elchanan.Elchanan <Elchanan@PathOfHeal th.org> wrote: Tara, Anything we MUST juice to consume is not food for our species. Wheat grass is very caustic in the human digestive system, regardless of its form. Does this create the illusion of cleansing? You bet!!! What's being cleansed? The bloody juice!!! Animals designed to digest grasses all have multiple stomachs ... that's what it takes, in Nature's design, to accomplish the task. Since you have only one stomach (and I realize I'm being a bit presumptuous, since we haven't actually met), you are not so designed. Best, Elchanan __._,_._ Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods .com Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 This is an interesting opinion I have never encountered. I have studied wheatgrass and I have had mostly good experiences with it. It is very strong though. You could chew the grass and get similar benefit from the juices. Your teeth would be very very white if you chewed this grass. It is very good for teeth and gums. Of course, you would have to spit it out eventually because it is impossible to break down. It may be strong in flavor, and a bit toxic in anything but small small amounts. But I believe in its ability to heal and nourish the cells. I have seen many people benefit from wheatgrass in conjunction with a raw diet. True, a raw diet alone does wonders. But wheatgrass does help put the body into deep healing mode. I do not think it is a necessary component of any diet, but I do think it has medicinal benefit for those needing deep cleaning and detox, or for those who wish to get a quick dose of green life for their cells. A little goes a long way. Only 1-2 ounces a day can do a person good if they want that extra burst of nutrients. I prefer to drink it with green apple juice. I find that mixing it along with other juiced greens and apple helps neutralize its seemingly caustic effect and strong flavor. It is also very important to drink wheatgrass juice which has been grown in soil. The hyrdoponic variety has made me nauseous and I think it lacks the balance of nutrients. The dark green juice of wheatgrass grown in organic soil is very balanced in taste and effect. all the best~Michael , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Pam, > > I encourage you to be open to the possibility that what is widely taught may > not, in fact, be optimal at all. > > Wheat grass is caustic in the digestive system of ALL mammals. In ruminants, > it requires several stomachs and recycling stages to break the stuff down, > and to compensate for the caustic components, until the grass is safe to > pass along into the intestine, where most nutrients are absorbed. > > We humans possess no such physiology. When we juice the grass, most of these > caustic components enter us, and we have NO mechanism for processing them. > The result is cleansing, to be sure ... of the grass juice. > > The parties you name have people make many, many changes, all at the same > time. Therefore, they cannot determine which change yields what result. But > having personally worked with people, changing NOTHING but the adding of > wheat grass juice, and having tested similarly upon myself in the past, I am > (painfully) aware of its caustic nature. > > The parties you name, and many others, put people on a diet the provides FAR > fewer calories than whatever most of them ate previously. This one change, > in and of itself, lightens the load on the digestive system considerably, > freeing the body's resources for cleansing in other areas. > > Unless we observe cause-and-effect relationships with considerable care and > a great sense of clarity, we tend to draw all sorts of unwarranted and often > incorrect conclusions. No matter how popular the wheat grass juice may be in > some circles, it is not health-invoking. > > I would also add that many people who drink wheat grass juice on a regular > (daily or nearly so) basis experience a sense of withdrawal when they stop > for a bit. This is an obvious indicator of habituation, as opposed to > healthful nutrition. > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > On Behalf Of > atzzill > Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:51 PM > > Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug > > > wow,this concept sure negates live food practices. Juicing is meant for > those of us who need to cleanse a lifetime of toxic waste accumulated from > years of addiction to a SAD lifestyle. Wheatgrass has been known to help > thousands who have suffered from cancer, diabetes and other ailments. > Let's take care to consider the thoughts of those whose knowledge and > practices have proven benefits both for themselves and others (e.g. Gabriel > Cousins, Hippocrates Health Institute, Anne Wigmore's books etc) > In Truth > Pam > > > > Scott <scottm > > Tue, 11 Sep 2007 4:07 pm > Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug > > > I do eat leaves from trees. Some are actually very delicious. Maple are > great....... > > -- > Scott > Don't under estimate the wisdom of nature. > If man made it, don't eat it. > PoisoningANation.com > > --- collage360 wrote: > > Collage Blazin <collage360 > > Re: Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug > Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:57:33 -0700 (PDT) > > > Well, this answers the question as to why we don't eat the leaves off trees! > LOL > > Thanks for the insight Elchanan. > > Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: > > Tara, > > Anything we MUST juice to consume is not food for our species. Wheat grass > is very caustic in the human digestive system, regardless of its form. Does > this create the illusion of cleansing? You bet!!! What's being cleansed? The > bloody juice!!! > > Animals designed to digest grasses all have multiple stomachs ... that's > what it takes, in Nature's design, to accomplish the task. Since you have > only one stomach (and I realize I'm being a bit presumptuous, since we > haven't actually met), you are not so designed. > > Best, > Elchanan > > __._,_._ > > > > > _____ > > Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods > <http://www.rawfoods/> .com > _____ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail > <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=A > OLAOF00020000000970> ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I've used wheatgrass juice of and on since the mid-70s. I'm not sure about the caustic comment. I don't have a physical experience that correlates with that.What I know from years around The Hippocrates Institute in Boston and working with people myself, is that they STOPPED doing a long list of destructive things at the same time they went on the Ann Wigmore diet.At this point it seems to me that in the beginning of a person's transition to a raw vegan life, it matters more what they stop doing - what they stop eating - than what they are eating. When the body can stop cleaning and storing the toxic byproducts of digesting animal products and cooked foods, it has the opportunity to get beyond cleaning and start repairing.In the last six months I've consciously reduced the fat in my diet and wheatgrass is no longer appetizing. It no longer smells good nor tastes good. My body is rejecting it at the sensory level.I'm also noticing that with other foods that I used to eat with glee, like avocados, nuts, carrots, beets, high fat deserts - they just don't have the same attraction.As for chewing on wheatgrass...I think that apes do chew on grass, sucking out the juice. If we did the same, we would never take in the quantity or concentration of grass juice that we get by juicing... ..wynhttp://www.TheRawRetreat.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 " If we did the same, we would never take in the quantity or concentration of grass juice that we get by juicing... " Which could be a good thing.... Who knows..... -- Scott Don't under estimate the wisdom of nature. If man made it, don't eat it. www.POISONINGaNATION.com --- therawretreat wrote: The Raw Retreat <therawretreat Re:Wheat grass ... Bah, humbug Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:31:44 -0700 I've used wheatgrass juice of and on since the mid-70s. I'm not sure about the caustic comment. I don't have a physical experience that correlates with that. What I know from years around The Hippocrates Institute in Boston and working with people myself, is that they STOPPED doing a long list of destructive things at the same time they went on the Ann Wigmore diet. At this point it seems to me that in the beginning of a person's transition to a raw vegan life, it matters more what they stop doing - what they stop eating - than what they are eating. When the body can stop cleaning and storing the toxic byproducts of digesting animal products and cooked foods, it has the opportunity to get beyond cleaning and start repairing. In the last six months I've consciously reduced the fat in my diet and wheatgrass is no longer appetizing. It no longer smells good nor tastes good. My body is rejecting it at the sensory level. I'm also noticing that with other foods that I used to eat with glee, like avocados, nuts, carrots, beets, high fat deserts - they just don't have the same attraction. As for chewing on wheatgrass... I think that apes do chew on grass, sucking out the juice. If we did the same, we would never take in the quantity or concentration of grass juice that we get by juicing...  ..wyn http://www.TheRawRetreat.com ___________ Learn about the power of raw foods at ---> http://www.rawfoods.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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