Eric: Self-introduction

[Guest guest]

Hello friends,

 

You have an interesting, dedicated place here,

i read a few messages before posting, my name

is Eric from France (not your area sorry),

i have been a vegetarian almost forever and a

vegan the last 3-4 years with occasional goat

milk or honey, and a raw vegan even more recently

(phew! at age 49 with this diet i feel like a

young horse) the step from vegetarian to raw

vegan is so huge on metabolic feedback that i can

say now vegetarian/dairy/egg is almost like meat

eating, but the final step to raw vegan is phenomenal;

but with cooked vegan i had already lost all flues,

and colds, and catching a draft, and other stomach

virus in winter, ... all gone, and many other

body metamorphosis.

 

See my point: meat eating <> vegetarian-dairy almost

the same but the step to vegan and raw vegan is where

all happens you lose the heaviness of carbs that burden

the brain and muscles.

 

But my concern and question to this honorable assembly

is the following:

 

Are there parents of kids raised on raw vegan here?

I have two small kids 9 and 10 and had no doubts that

the vegetarian diet was OK for their growth but is

raw vegan OK for kids?

 

I need to hear long term experience, it is a huge step.

 

Thank you guys, i'll read any answer with great fun.

 

Cheers,

Eric

[Guest guest]

Peace and Welcome Eric,Raw Vegan is ok for kids. It just needs to be approached in a balanced way. In the U.S., unfortunately, some parents have been persecuted unjustly for having their kids on a Raw Vegan lifestyle. If you are in France you may be ok. I would strongly suggest that you check out the work of Jinjee and Storm Taliafero who have raised several raw vegan children and have a lot of resources for Raw Vegan parents. A site to get you started is: www.thegardendiet.com. Hope that helps.Peace,Asia--- On Wed, 8/26/09, ericparoissien <ericparoissien wrote:ericparoissien <ericparoissien Eric:

Self-introduction Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 3:59 AM

 

 

Hello friends,

 

You have an interesting, dedicated place here,

i read a few messages before posting, my name

is Eric from France (not your area sorry),

i have been a vegetarian almost forever and a

vegan the last 3-4 years with occasional goat

milk or honey, and a raw vegan even more recently

(phew! at age 49 with this diet i feel like a

young horse) the step from vegetarian to raw

vegan is so huge on metabolic feedback that i can

say now vegetarian/dairy/ egg is almost like meat

eating, but the final step to raw vegan is phenomenal;

but with cooked vegan i had already lost all flues,

and colds, and catching a draft, and other stomach

virus in winter, ... all gone, and many other

body metamorphosis.

 

See my point: meat eating <> vegetarian-dairy almost

the same but the step to vegan and raw vegan is where

all happens you lose the heaviness of carbs that burden

the brain and muscles.

 

But my concern and question to this honorable assembly

is the following:

 

Are there parents of kids raised on raw vegan here?

I have two small kids 9 and 10 and had no doubts that

the vegetarian diet was OK for their growth but is

raw vegan OK for kids?

 

I need to hear long term experience, it is a huge step.

 

Thank you guys, i'll read any answer with great fun.

 

Cheers,

Eric

[Guest guest]

greetings eric

welcome

about living foods children, i would have to say that is a great idea. i have three children all of whom have been eating living foods since conception. their ages are 6, 4, and 2. i have had no problems. they have not been severely ill, only a mild sniffle or cough. no childhood diseases, measles, mumps, chicken pox and they have been exposed. they are peaceful and calm and loaded with energy. they sleep easily and rise early daily. they love the way they eat and it is such a joy hearing them ask for carrots, peppers or raisins and dates to snack on instead of the normal junk. if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. i myself have been a live foodist for almost 17 years.

 

in peace...

belit

 

 

 

ericparoissien <ericparoissien Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:59:17 AM Eric: Self-introduction

Hello friends,You have an interesting, dedicated place here, i read a few messages before posting, my name is Eric from France (not your area sorry), i have been a vegetarian almost forever and a vegan the last 3-4 years with occasional goat milk or honey, and a raw vegan even more recently (phew! at age 49 with this diet i feel like a young horse) the step from vegetarian to raw vegan is so huge on metabolic feedback that i can say now vegetarian/dairy/ egg is almost like meat eating, but the final step to raw vegan is phenomenal; but with cooked vegan i had already lost all flues, and colds, and catching a draft, and other stomach virus in winter, ... all gone, and many other body metamorphosis.See my point: meat eating <> vegetarian-dairy almost the same but the step to vegan and raw vegan is where all happens you lose the heaviness of carbs that burden the

brain and muscles.But my concern and question to this honorable assembly is the following:Are there parents of kids raised on raw vegan here?I have two small kids 9 and 10 and had no doubts that the vegetarian diet was OK for their growth but is raw vegan OK for kids?I need to hear long term experience, it is a huge step.Thank you guys, i'll read any answer with great fun.Cheers,Eric

[Guest guest]

Greetings

and thank your for writing! So glad you have found abundant health and

want to share it with your family. I would strongly suggest checking

out http://www.superhealthychildren.com/

in addition to Jinji and Storm. More and more parents are raising raw

children so there is a lot of information out there. I have not noted

the URLs for raw moms, but I'm sure if you Google it, you'll get some

websites, as I have seen more and more cropping up.

best,Sharon~~Sharon GreenspanBoard Certified Holistic Health Practitioner* Eliminate Stress * Have More Energy * Relieve Chronic Pain *    301-816-0752check out my new look:

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[Guest guest]

, belit yisrael <belityisrael wrote:

>

> greetings eric

> welcome

> about living foods children, i would have to say that is a great idea.  i have

three children all of whom have been eating living foods since conception. 

their ages are 6, 4, and 2.  i have had no problems.  they have not been

severely ill, only a mild sniffle or cough.  no childhood diseases, measles,

mumps, chicken pox and they have been exposed.  they are peaceful and calm and

loaded with energy.  they sleep easily and rise early daily.  they love the way

they eat and it is such a joy hearing them ask for carrots, peppers or raisins

and dates to snack on instead of the normal junk.  if you have any other

questions please feel free to ask.  i myself have been a live foodist for almost

17 years.

>  

> in peace...

> belit

 

Thank you very much Belit!

 

Yes you are precisely the kind of family who holds the answer for my concerns;

the food they receive in their natural urban environment is a disaster, in

addition here to our divorce situation where i have their ward only every other

week, in their second home they find whatever you see on TV.

They have already good eating habits during their week with me, and i know they

avoid as possible animal products during the other week.

Do kids need a planned, measured diet?

Do you check that this vitamin and that type of foods has been provided in

sufficient quantity?

Do i get for them everything they need by going to the local raw fruit and

veggie organic market?

Do you supplement B12 for example?

 

Thank you guys for your kindness and care.

[Guest guest]

, Sharon Greenspan <sharon wrote:

>

> Greetings and thank your for writing! So glad you have found abundant health

> and want to share it with your family. I would strongly suggest checking out

> http://www.superhealthychildren.com/ in addition to Jinji and Storm. More

> and more parents are raising raw children so there is a lot of information

> out there. I have not noted the URLs for raw moms, but I'm sure if you

> Google it, you'll get some websites, as I have seen more and more cropping

> up.

>

> best,

> Sharon

>

> ~~

> Sharon Greenspan

> Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner

> * Eliminate Stress * Have More Energy * Relieve Chronic Pain *

> 301-816-0752

 

Thank you Sharon, you guys are great!

 

...and efficiently so, i check this information and all the leads this morning.

In addition to the health aspect of food education i have provided lots of facts

on animal rights, non-violence, aspiring to a clean life in contact with nature,

etc..

I know " ideology " is a heavy burden for small kids and it sounds a bit like

" manipulative programming " , i regret that, you don't know when conscience sets

in in a human being, conscience about harming, taking good care of oneself,

others and the environment.

But the background hard facts i'm faced with, and as in a bad dream, the only

lucid person about an impeding danger, but powerless to act, they are often sick

with whatever their school mates come up with, and as you know well, you don't

say to people " The food is the cause, the food is the medicine " (Hypocrate) they

answer " there was a draft, i caught a cold " as if God himself had imposed a

meaningful trial on their health that no human could challenge, even their

doctors.

 

Sorry guys for the philosophical rant, they are meaningful immediate concerns to

me, nothing theoretical here.

[Guest guest]

, Asia Bleu <asiableu9 wrote:

>

> Peace and Welcome Eric,

>

> Raw Vegan is ok for kids.  It just needs to be approached in a balanced way. 

In the U.S., unfortunately, some parents have been persecuted unjustly for

having their kids on a Raw Vegan lifestyle.  If you are in France you may be

ok.  I would strongly suggest that you check out the work of Jinjee and Storm

Taliafero who have raised several raw vegan children and have a lot of resources

for Raw Vegan parents.  A site to get you started is: www.thegardendiet.com. 

Hope that helps.

>

> Peace,

>

> Asia

 

Oh great Asia,

I'm on it, i'll track this info; you are a gold mine community at , i've

been isolated for so long here, and although the feeding habit of French might

not be as suicidal as that of some parts of America, their modes are so

ingrained, like, " wine is a medicine taken in moderate quantities " , meanwhile

there is nothing moderate here and people smoke more than ever it seems, and

young people a lot too, which is a tell tale that they don't care, they have

given up on their body.

Like, they smoke and they buy organic food, " organic beef " , can you believe

that, feeding is just a lifestyle, not a reflection, not a long term research on

oneself for oneself but an impulse fad for long term memory challenged persons.

The sugar-fat-salt triad and processed food situation is turning really bad and

kids undergo massive pressure; and i'm not even talking about the monthly

rituals of birthday parties.

Ok i'm off to reading on the net all the great clues that were offered here

today, i'll be richer in information next time i read here.

Thanks again guys!

[Guest guest]

greetings eric

 

well you are off to a great by influencing them to eat healthy while in your care and that reflects in the opposite week. as for me i do not specifically measure their foods, but i do make sure i give them a variety of foods, especially organic and in season. currently we always eat fruit for breakfast, as that is best for digestion after not eating, we usually eat veggies and non-sweet fruits for lunch (avocado, tomato, etc) and for dinner four days a week we eat fruit, three days veggies and non-sweet fruits. i make sure we always eat a daily salad with tomato, cucumber, red pepper(green are not ripe), carrot, lettuce and/or other greens, parsley and sprouts as this combination contains all vitamins, minerals and of course aminos, and sea veggies daily. avocado is packed with nutrients, so when in season we eat that daily. we drink plenty of water, about 3/4 gallon or 3 liters for the

children and i do at least five liters daily. i do not supplement b12. we use spirulina, dulse, sprouts and other sea veggies for b12 and minerals.

 

i pretty much let them eat in the amounts their body tells them they need, and they have very, very healthy appetites. i do not necessarily plan everything, but i do my best to eat around the same time to maintain their regularity. if you have access to an organic market, by all means get their foods from there. i make very simple foods for us, very few transitional foods, or foods that resemble "cooked" foods. we use fresh herbs as much as possible. i strive to eat foods that have high nutritional value so that we eat to live and not live to eat.

 

hope that helps.

peace...

belit

 

 

 

 

ericparoissien <ericparoissien Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:18:38 AM Re: Eric: Self-introduction

@ .com, belit yisrael <belityisrael@ ...> wrote:>> greetings eric> welcome> about living foods children, i would have to say that is a great idea. i have three children all of whom have been eating living foods since conception. their ages are 6, 4, and 2. i have had no problems. they have not been severely ill, only a mild sniffle or cough. no childhood diseases, measles, mumps, chicken pox and they have been exposed. they are peaceful and calm and loaded with energy. they sleep easily and rise early daily. they love the way they eat and it is such a joy hearing them ask for carrots, peppers or raisins and dates to snack on instead of the normal junk. if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. i

myself have been a live foodist for almost 17 years.> > in peace...> belitThank you very much Belit!Yes you are precisely the kind of family who holds the answer for my concerns; the food they receive in their natural urban environment is a disaster, in addition here to our divorce situation where i have their ward only every other week, in their second home they find whatever you see on TV.They have already good eating habits during their week with me, and i know they avoid as possible animal products during the other week.Do kids need a planned, measured diet?Do you check that this vitamin and that type of foods has been provided in sufficient quantity?Do i get for them everything they need by going to the local raw fruit and veggie organic market?Do you supplement B12 for example?Thank you guys for your kindness and care.

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[Guest guest]

, belit yisrael <belityisrael wrote:

>

> greetings eric

>  

> well you are off to a great by influencing them to eat healthy while in your

care and that reflects in the opposite week.  as for me i do not specifically

measure their foods, but i do make sure i give them a variety of foods,

especially organic and in season.  currently we always eat fruit for breakfast,

as that is best for digestion after not eating, we usually eat veggies and

non-sweet fruits for lunch (avocado, tomato, etc) and for dinner four days a

week we eat fruit, three days veggies and non-sweet fruits.  i make sure we

always eat a daily salad with tomato, cucumber, red pepper(green are not ripe),

carrot, lettuce and/or other greens, parsley and sprouts as this combination

contains all vitamins, minerals and of course aminos, and sea veggies daily. 

avocado is packed with nutrients, so when in season we eat that daily.  we drink

plenty of water, about 3/4 gallon or 3 liters for the children and i do at least

five liters daily. i do not

> supplement b12.  we use spirulina, dulse, sprouts and other sea veggies for

b12 and minerals.

>  

> i pretty much let them eat in the amounts their body tells them they need, and

they have very, very healthy appetites.  i do not necessarily plan everything,

but i do my best to eat around the same time to maintain their regularity.  if

you have access to an organic market, by all means get their foods from there. i

make very simple foods for us, very few transitional foods, or foods that

resemble " cooked " foods.  we use fresh herbs as much as possible.  i strive to

eat foods that have high nutritional value so that we eat to live and not live

to eat.

>  

> hope that helps.

> peace...

> belit

 

It helps a lot, thank you belit,

 

It looks a lot like the diet we use here; for myself when on my own i let my

instinct guide me and i'm curious and like to experiment.

I enjoyed the variety of raw, fresh sea weeds, algae, etc.. when i lived in

Japan, i'll try to find them in Paris, what they offer in organic stores is the

dried ones, re-hydrated they don't taste quite right as such or for a salad, and

very salty.

As about the quantities of water you mention belit, i have not come across yet

any references in that regard, could you tell me the function of five liters as

compared to my one liter mountain water?

 

Thank you in advance,

Peace,

eric

[Guest guest]

greetings eric

understanding the body is composed of about 70% water, it needs to maintain that much to function properly. whatever activities you undertake depletes the water in your body, thus to maintain optimal functioning you have to replace the water. some say one glass of water for every hour your are awake or an ounce for each pound of body weight, that comes up to about four liters or so. i drink a little extra as i live in the desert and it has been extra hot this year. even though it sounds like a lot, after you drink that much for about three or four days your body adjusts and the elimination phase will slow down.

 

peace

belit

 

 

 

ericparoissien <ericparoissien Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:41:13 PM Re: Eric: Self-introduction

@ .com, belit yisrael <belityisrael@ ...> wrote:>> greetings eric> > well you are off to a great by influencing them to eat healthy while in your care and that reflects in the opposite week. as for me i do not specifically measure their foods, but i do make sure i give them a variety of foods, especially organic and in season. currently we always eat fruit for breakfast, as that is best for digestion after not eating, we usually eat veggies and non-sweet fruits for lunch (avocado, tomato, etc) and for dinner four days a week we eat fruit, three days veggies and non-sweet fruits. i make sure we always eat a daily salad with tomato, cucumber, red pepper(green are not ripe), carrot, lettuce and/or other greens, parsley and sprouts as this

combination contains all vitamins, minerals and of course aminos, and sea veggies daily. avocado is packed with nutrients, so when in season we eat that daily. we drink plenty of water, about 3/4 gallon or 3 liters for the children and i do at least five liters daily. i do not> supplement b12. we use spirulina, dulse, sprouts and other sea veggies for b12 and minerals.> > i pretty much let them eat in the amounts their body tells them they need, and they have very, very healthy appetites. i do not necessarily plan everything, but i do my best to eat around the same time to maintain their regularity. if you have access to an organic market, by all means get their foods from there. i make very simple foods for us, very few transitional foods, or foods that resemble "cooked" foods. we use fresh herbs as much as possible. i strive to eat foods that have high nutritional value so

that we eat to live and not live to eat.> > hope that helps.> peace...> belitIt helps a lot, thank you belit,It looks a lot like the diet we use here; for myself when on my own i let my instinct guide me and i'm curious and like to experiment.I enjoyed the variety of raw, fresh sea weeds, algae, etc.. when i lived in Japan, i'll try to find them in Paris, what they offer in organic stores is the dried ones, re-hydrated they don't taste quite right as such or for a salad, and very salty.As about the quantities of water you mention belit, i have not come across yet any references in that regard, could you tell me the function of five liters as compared to my one liter mountain water?Thank you in advance,Peace, eric