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Has anyone heard of the Heifer project? I received some information in the mail

today and was really impressed with the concept. They donate animals to

starving communities (They have carefully hand picked.) and educate them how to

properly care for and provide for the animal so that it can become a valuable

source for their family.

For example they teach them to properly care for the cows for a milk source,

chickens for eggs, sheep for wool, bees for a honey source, etc. They have

pretty impressive list of credentials and backing. I think this is wonderful

(Sort of why keep catching someone's fish rather then teaching them to fish..)

but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the animals are used for

meat. Does anyone know this or how I can get more information? If they do,

does anyone know of a similar project with these ethics but would not slaughter

the animal?

Thanks in advance for help.

With kindness,

Beth

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Beth Skeen <boomothergoose> wrote wrt " The Heifer Project " :

 

> I think this is wonderful (Sort of why keep catching someone's fish

rather then teaching them to

> fish..) but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the

animals are used for meat. Does

> anyone know this or how I can get more information?

 

http://www.cob-net.org/hpi.htm is their website. It doesn't say if the

animals are butchered for meat or not. You should be able to get that

information from them directly, though.

 

Contact Information:

Heifer Project International <http://www.heifer.org/>

P.O. Box 8058,

Little Rock, Arkansas, 72203

Phone: 800-422-0474

E-mail: info

 

 

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:14:07 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

 

>

>Has anyone heard of the Heifer project? I received some information in the

mail today and was really impressed with the concept. They donate animals to

starving communities (They have carefully hand picked.) and educate them how to

properly care for and provide for the animal so that it can become a valuable

source for their family.

>For example they teach them to properly care for the cows for a milk source,

chickens for eggs, sheep for wool, bees for a honey source, etc. They have

pretty impressive list of credentials and backing. I think this is wonderful

(Sort of why keep catching someone's fish rather then teaching them to fish..)

but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the animals are used for

meat. Does anyone know this or how I can get more information? If they do,

does anyone know of a similar project with these ethics but would not slaughter

the animal?

 

Yes, the animals are used for meat as appropriate - you

don't kill your laying hens until they're too old to lay

well. You don't kill your milk cow or milk goat until

they're too old to give a useful amount of milk, etc. OTOH,

rabbits have only one purpose on a farm/small-holding.

 

It is nevertheless (IMHO) an excellent project that's done a

lot of good in the world.

 

Heifer Project animals will get to live decent lives, in

accordance with the nature of farm animals, and then

eventually be killed and eaten.

 

To me, worrying about killing an animal on a smallholding in

the Third World (after its useful life is over) is like

worrying about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as

it sinks - compared to the exceeding cruelty of our

mechanized, big-business-owned, factory farming. This is

the *real* evil, in my eyes.

 

You can read about the Heifer Project at:

http://www.heifer.org

 

If I were a vegan though, I wouldn't donate to them.

 

Another excellent outfit is the American Friends Service

Committee, AFSC. 100% of your donations there go to their

intended recipients. You can read about the AFSC at:

 

http://www.afsc.org which says, in part,

 

" The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker

organization which includes people of various faiths who are

committed to social justice, peace and humanitarian service.

Its work is based on the belief in the worth of every

person, and faith in the power of love to overcome violence

and injustice. "

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

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Had to put in my 2 cents:

 

Although I adopted a turkey at Thanksgiving to avoid having it eaten, I do

not have a problem with the Heifer project--but I'm kind of an anomaly as

vegetarians go. Though I can certainly understand veggie/vegan opposition

to the killing of animals, I'm sure we can all agree that the larger issue

at hand is the widespread devastation caused by factory farming and the mass

production of meat. Namely: grains that could go towards feeding hungry

people instead being fed to animals, fecal and bacteria contamination in the

meat, water pollution, eventual deforestation of the rainforests for beef

production, air pollution, and inhumane practices in both the killing and

raising of livestock.

 

It seems to make more sense to me that if you are going to eat meat, you

should be able to kill it yourself. It seems more " natural " to me to have a

hunter or farmer killing his own meat than it is for Joe Schmoe to go get a

burger at a fast food chain, where one is removed from the whole dirty

process of meat production by a paper burger wrapper embossed with a slick

corporate logo. The hunter or farmer has a far better idea of what is

involved getting meat on the table than the person who picks it up at the

supermarket.

 

I myself, could not kill an animal. I'm a wuss and I love animals far too

much--so I don't eat them. I don't need to convince everyone to adopt my

eating habits, but it would be nice to raise awareness as to the detriments

of factory farming and for people to reduce their consumption a bit. In my

idea of a " perfect world " you would have to kill the animal you wanted to

eat--if you can do that, then hey, you deserve to eat it. I DON'T deserve

(or want) to eat it because as I said, I'm a wussy animal lover who thinks

cows are cute.

 

Anyway, the end point of my rambling is this: some people may not approve of

you donating to the Heifer project for very well justified reasons. On the

other hand, the people who would eventually eat the animal would be doing

the butchering themselves, and would only be feeding themselves. They would

not be contributing towards pollution, deforestation, and the spread of

potentially deadly bacteria. So if the cow is going to help them out, raise

their standard of living, and for the most part keep the cow from being kept

in a small pen and fed a diet of chicken manure, then it seems that everyone

benefits.

 

 

Pat Meadows [pat]

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:08 AM

 

Re: The Heifer Project

 

 

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:14:07 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

 

>

>Has anyone heard of the Heifer project? I received some information in

>the mail today and was really impressed with the concept. They donate

animals to starving communities (They have carefully hand picked.) and

educate them how to properly care for and provide for the animal so that it

can become a valuable source for their family.

>For example they teach them to properly care for the cows for a milk

source, chickens for eggs, sheep for wool, bees for a honey source, etc.

They have pretty impressive list of credentials and backing. I think this

is wonderful (Sort of why keep catching someone's fish rather then teaching

them to fish..) but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the

animals are used for meat. Does anyone know this or how I can get more

information? If they do, does anyone know of a similar project with these

ethics but would not slaughter the animal?

 

Yes, the animals are used for meat as appropriate - you

don't kill your laying hens until they're too old to lay

well. You don't kill your milk cow or milk goat until

they're too old to give a useful amount of milk, etc. OTOH, rabbits have

only one purpose on a farm/small-holding.

 

It is nevertheless (IMHO) an excellent project that's done a lot of good in

the world.

 

Heifer Project animals will get to live decent lives, in accordance with the

nature of farm animals, and then eventually be killed and eaten.

 

To me, worrying about killing an animal on a smallholding in the Third World

(after its useful life is over) is like worrying about rearranging the deck

chairs on the Titanic as it sinks - compared to the exceeding cruelty of our

mechanized, big-business-owned, factory farming. This is the *real* evil,

in my eyes.

 

You can read about the Heifer Project at:

http://www.heifer.org

 

If I were a vegan though, I wouldn't donate to them.

 

Another excellent outfit is the American Friends Service Committee, AFSC.

100% of your donations there go to their intended recipients. You can read

about the AFSC at:

 

http://www.afsc.org which says, in part,

 

" The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker organization which

includes people of various faiths who are committed to social justice, peace

and humanitarian service. Its work is based on the belief in the worth of

every person, and faith in the power of love to overcome violence and

injustice. "

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

--

Pat Meadows

Books, books! Low prices.

Music CDs too!

http://www.wellsborocomputing.com/sales.html

 

 

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I have not heard about afsc. Sounds interesting- I will have to go on their web

site after work and look into that. Thanks for the info.

With kindness,

Beth

Pat Meadows <pat wrote:On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:14:07 -0800

(PST), you wrote:

 

>

>Has anyone heard of the Heifer project? I received some information in the

mail today and was really impressed with the concept. They donate animals to

starving communities (They have carefully hand picked.) and educate them how to

properly care for and provide for the animal so that it can become a valuable

source for their family.

>For example they teach them to properly care for the cows for a milk source,

chickens for eggs, sheep for wool, bees for a honey source, etc. They have

pretty impressive list of credentials and backing. I think this is wonderful

(Sort of why keep catching someone's fish rather then teaching them to fish..)

but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the animals are used for

meat. Does anyone know this or how I can get more information? If they do,

does anyone know of a similar project with these ethics but would not slaughter

the animal?

 

Yes, the animals are used for meat as appropriate - you

don't kill your laying hens until they're too old to lay

well. You don't kill your milk cow or milk goat until

they're too old to give a useful amount of milk, etc. OTOH,

rabbits have only one purpose on a farm/small-holding.

 

It is nevertheless (IMHO) an excellent project that's done a

lot of good in the world.

 

Heifer Project animals will get to live decent lives, in

accordance with the nature of farm animals, and then

eventually be killed and eaten.

 

To me, worrying about killing an animal on a smallholding in

the Third World (after its useful life is over) is like

worrying about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as

it sinks - compared to the exceeding cruelty of our

mechanized, big-business-owned, factory farming. This is

the *real* evil, in my eyes.

 

You can read about the Heifer Project at:

http://www.heifer.org

 

If I were a vegan though, I wouldn't donate to them.

 

Another excellent outfit is the American Friends Service

Committee, AFSC. 100% of your donations there go to their

intended recipients. You can read about the AFSC at:

 

http://www.afsc.org which says, in part,

 

" The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker

organization which includes people of various faiths who are

committed to social justice, peace and humanitarian service.

Its work is based on the belief in the worth of every

person, and faith in the power of love to overcome violence

and injustice. "

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

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I agree and as Pat pointed out, we are talking third world countries that are

starving. What is the justification and compassion in allowing that to happen.

A co-worker and I got into a discussion about this earlier this morning (She is

not a veggie) and she argued that why, as a vegetarian, would i condone it and

did I not think this was " a bit two-faced? Why would you not encourage teaching

about crops, gardening, etc. " BUt according to someone I wrote at The Heifer

project, many of the places that they work through are environments not fit to

grow any type of crops. (Baron waste lands.) I though that was interesting.

With kindness,

Beth

Maija.Ray wrote: Had to put in my 2 cents:

 

Although I adopted a turkey at Thanksgiving to avoid having it eaten, I do

not have a problem with the Heifer project--but I'm kind of an anomaly as

vegetarians go. Though I can certainly understand veggie/vegan opposition

to the killing of animals, I'm sure we can all agree that the larger issue

at hand is the widespread devastation caused by factory farming and the mass

production of meat. Namely: grains that could go towards feeding hungry

people instead being fed to animals, fecal and bacteria contamination in the

meat, water pollution, eventual deforestation of the rainforests for beef

production, air pollution, and inhumane practices in both the killing and

raising of livestock.

 

It seems to make more sense to me that if you are going to eat meat, you

should be able to kill it yourself. It seems more " natural " to me to have a

hunter or farmer killing his own meat than it is for Joe Schmoe to go get a

burger at a fast food chain, where one is removed from the whole dirty

process of meat production by a paper burger wrapper embossed with a slick

corporate logo. The hunter or farmer has a far better idea of what is

involved getting meat on the table than the person who picks it up at the

supermarket.

 

I myself, could not kill an animal. I'm a wuss and I love animals far too

much--so I don't eat them. I don't need to convince everyone to adopt my

eating habits, but it would be nice to raise awareness as to the detriments

of factory farming and for people to reduce their consumption a bit. In my

idea of a " perfect world " you would have to kill the animal you wanted to

eat--if you can do that, then hey, you deserve to eat it. I DON'T deserve

(or want) to eat it because as I said, I'm a wussy animal lover who thinks

cows are cute.

 

Anyway, the end point of my rambling is this: some people may not approve of

you donating to the Heifer project for very well justified reasons. On the

other hand, the people who would eventually eat the animal would be doing

the butchering themselves, and would only be feeding themselves. They would

not be contributing towards pollution, deforestation, and the spread of

potentially deadly bacteria. So if the cow is going to help them out, raise

their standard of living, and for the most part keep the cow from being kept

in a small pen and fed a diet of chicken manure, then it seems that everyone

benefits.

 

 

Pat Meadows [pat]

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:08 AM

 

Re: The Heifer Project

 

 

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:14:07 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

 

>

>Has anyone heard of the Heifer project? I received some information in

>the mail today and was really impressed with the concept. They donate

animals to starving communities (They have carefully hand picked.) and

educate them how to properly care for and provide for the animal so that it

can become a valuable source for their family.

>For example they teach them to properly care for the cows for a milk

source, chickens for eggs, sheep for wool, bees for a honey source, etc.

They have pretty impressive list of credentials and backing. I think this

is wonderful (Sort of why keep catching someone's fish rather then teaching

them to fish..) but can't seem to find any information as to if any of the

animals are used for meat. Does anyone know this or how I can get more

information? If they do, does anyone know of a similar project with these

ethics but would not slaughter the animal?

 

Yes, the animals are used for meat as appropriate - you

don't kill your laying hens until they're too old to lay

well. You don't kill your milk cow or milk goat until

they're too old to give a useful amount of milk, etc. OTOH, rabbits have

only one purpose on a farm/small-holding.

 

It is nevertheless (IMHO) an excellent project that's done a lot of good in

the world.

 

Heifer Project animals will get to live decent lives, in accordance with the

nature of farm animals, and then eventually be killed and eaten.

 

To me, worrying about killing an animal on a smallholding in the Third World

(after its useful life is over) is like worrying about rearranging the deck

chairs on the Titanic as it sinks - compared to the exceeding cruelty of our

mechanized, big-business-owned, factory farming. This is the *real* evil,

in my eyes.

 

You can read about the Heifer Project at:

http://www.heifer.org

 

If I were a vegan though, I wouldn't donate to them.

 

Another excellent outfit is the American Friends Service Committee, AFSC.

100% of your donations there go to their intended recipients. You can read

about the AFSC at:

 

http://www.afsc.org which says, in part,

 

" The American Friends Service Committee is a Quaker organization which

includes people of various faiths who are committed to social justice, peace

and humanitarian service. Its work is based on the belief in the worth of

every person, and faith in the power of love to overcome violence and

injustice. "

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

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http://www.wellsborocomputing.com/sales.html

 

 

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:39:18 -0700, you wrote:

 

>Had to put in my 2 cents:

>

>Although I adopted a turkey at Thanksgiving to avoid having it eaten, I do

>not have a problem with the Heifer project--but I'm kind of an anomaly as

>vegetarians go. Though I can certainly understand veggie/vegan opposition

>to the killing of animals, I'm sure we can all agree that the larger issue

>at hand is the widespread devastation caused by factory farming and the mass

>production of meat. Namely: grains that could go towards feeding hungry

>people instead being fed to animals, fecal and bacteria contamination in the

>meat, water pollution, eventual deforestation of the rainforests for beef

>production, air pollution, and inhumane practices in both the killing and

>raising of livestock.

 

You got that right!

 

>It seems to make more sense to me that if you are going to eat meat, you

>should be able to kill it yourself. It seems more " natural " to me to have a

>hunter or farmer killing his own meat than it is for Joe Schmoe to go get a

>burger at a fast food chain, where one is removed from the whole dirty

>process of meat production by a paper burger wrapper embossed with a slick

>corporate logo. The hunter or farmer has a far better idea of what is

>involved getting meat on the table than the person who picks it up at the

>supermarket.

>

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

The deer the hunter shoots has AT LEAST led a happy deer

life until then, as opposed to the poor tortured victims of

factory farming.

 

Pat

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