Re Ladies & Cologne, leather ?

December 7, 2002

Hm, I don't use any P----- juice. No cologne at all. I am afraid I am

daunted and dismayed by those who think they need enough so that

you can smell them 100 feet away and then get into an elevator that

I'm on. I will admit to smelling some lovely scents on people who

know a bit of control but I certainly am more frequently terrorized

by those who don't. (Besides which I don't want to get myself

in trouble by following those people around who do have the

lovely scents (and sense).)

I agree with you on using leather goods until they're worn out.

Seems almost rude to the animal. That may sound sort of

strange but I figure if I indirectly took their life before I was a

vegetarian then I had better not be frivolous about what I took.

Of course, I am well aware that so many things in my house

have animal goods and I can't do much if anything about it.

It is my understanding that even wallboard is put together with

glue which contains blood from cows. Someone is working on

a glue with a soy substitute but I don't know whether it is

available yet or not. Besides my wife would be most displeased

with me if I started tearing down all the walls in the house.

Sometimes I am not successful about getting a good leather

replacement. I know I bought one belt on-line ( I think it was

hemp but I can't remember now) which became very ragged

in a short time. I now have a cotton belt and it seems to be

lasting a lot longer. Same for shoes. I bought a nice pair

from a vegan shoe place on-line but they only lasted about

a year. Then I bought another pair of shoes from New Balance

that is supposed to be totally synthetic and they are lasting

much longer. Of course I think it would be almost impossible

to know that no animal products went into the making of

shoes or other apparel without actually making them on one's

own and I know I don't have the skill to do that.

Gary

At 06:31 AM 12/7/02 +0000, you wrote:

>About cologne..I would definitely not get polo since so many people

>wear it. A couple years back I bought my man Givenchy pie (as in

>3.14, the bottle has the symbol for pie on it). Well, this cologne is

>now expected in his stocking every year and it smells great. Even

>when we are out together women are like, mmm you smell so good & that

>is with me right next to him!! (It's so bad i refer to it as P----

>juice.)

>Also, I've been reading back through the thread and I think it was

>you who asked bout using leather after converting to vegetarianism.

>When I became a veggie over 5 years ago I had leather shoes, belts &

>a phone cover and was cofronted with the same ethical dilemma. I

>decided that it would be better to use up what I still had and as

>they deteriorated I threw them away. I considered selling them but

>somehow that seemed worse. Thus, I slowly integrated vegetarian

>belts, etc.

>My Two Cents,

>karen

>

December 7, 2002

I agree Gary, I can't stand it when people put on so much

cologne/perfume that it seems to consume the air...and my lungs. And

actually, I think if someone feels compelled to put so much on, it is

an attempt to overcompensate for some inherent flaw or lack of self-

esteem within the individual..like women who apply make-up with a

spatula or the lil fast-driving punks in pseudo-sports car blaring

the mega-bass stereo system.

More of my two cents or is this more like a nickle,

karen

, Gary Mattingly

<gsmattingly@a...> wrote:

> Hm, I don't use any P----- juice. No cologne at all. I am afraid

I am

> daunted and dismayed by those who think they need enough so that

> you can smell them 100 feet away and then get into an elevator that

> I'm on. I will admit to smelling some lovely scents on people who

> know a bit of control but I certainly am more frequently terrorized

> by those who don't. (Besides which I don't want to get myself

> in trouble by following those people around who do have the

> lovely scents (and sense).)

>

> I agree with you on using leather goods until they're worn out.

> Seems almost rude to the animal. That may sound sort of

> strange but I figure if I indirectly took their life before I was a

> vegetarian then I had better not be frivolous about what I took.

> Of course, I am well aware that so many things in my house

> have animal goods and I can't do much if anything about it.

> It is my understanding that even wallboard is put together with

> glue which contains blood from cows. Someone is working on

> a glue with a soy substitute but I don't know whether it is

> available yet or not. Besides my wife would be most displeased

> with me if I started tearing down all the walls in the house.

>

> Sometimes I am not successful about getting a good leather

> replacement. I know I bought one belt on-line ( I think it was

> hemp but I can't remember now) which became very ragged

> in a short time. I now have a cotton belt and it seems to be

> lasting a lot longer. Same for shoes. I bought a nice pair

> from a vegan shoe place on-line but they only lasted about

> a year. Then I bought another pair of shoes from New Balance

> that is supposed to be totally synthetic and they are lasting

> much longer. Of course I think it would be almost impossible

> to know that no animal products went into the making of

> shoes or other apparel without actually making them on one's

> own and I know I don't have the skill to do that.

>

> Gary

>

> At 06:31 AM 12/7/02 +0000, you wrote:

> >About cologne..I would definitely not get polo since so many people

> >wear it. A couple years back I bought my man Givenchy pie (as in

> >3.14, the bottle has the symbol for pie on it). Well, this cologne

is

> >now expected in his stocking every year and it smells great. Even

> >when we are out together women are like, mmm you smell so good &

that

> >is with me right next to him!! (It's so bad i refer to it as P----

> >juice.)

> >Also, I've been reading back through the thread and I think it was

> >you who asked bout using leather after converting to vegetarianism.

> >When I became a veggie over 5 years ago I had leather shoes, belts

&

> >a phone cover and was cofronted with the same ethical dilemma. I

> >decided that it would be better to use up what I still had and as

> >they deteriorated I threw them away. I considered selling them but

> >somehow that seemed worse. Thus, I slowly integrated vegetarian

> >belts, etc.

> >My Two Cents,

> >karen

> >

December 7, 2002

" like women who apply make-up with a spatula or the lil fast-driving punks

in pseudo-sports car blaring the mega-bass stereo system.

More of my two cents or is this more like a nickle,

karen "

LOL, Amen sistah. Oh gosh it's not just me then.

What are the odds that Christina Aguilera bathes in perfume. I'd say,

pretty good odds. Any wagers out there?

Shawn

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" If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. "