Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Hi, Pat: I am new to the group, and newly vegetarian. I was interested in your posting because you mentioned that you don't eat sweets, you've been vegetarian for 20 years, and you and your husband are interested in exchanging ideas. I peruse the group poccasionallysionally and skip most of the recipes and concerns about animals because I am interested in building a healthy lifestyle for myself; I'm not so concerned about whether chickens roam free or cows die painfully. I am preparing to start diet and exercise program, which I hope will reverse the plaque and atherosclerosis that I have built up in my coronary and peripheral arteries over the past 59 years. I'm looking for a diet and exercise program that will protect me from diabetes, lung cancer, gout, hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and the chronic, degenerative diseases pandemic in the USA. Is anyone out there interested in these things? Ron McClure rlmftw --- Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > Thank you for inviting me to join this list. My name > is Pat, and I live > with my husband (and 2 dogs and a cat) in London, > Ontario. London is in > south western Ontario, about halfway between Toronto > and > Detroit/Windsor. > > We have been vegetarians for some twenty years, off > and on (mostly 'on', > but , until the last few years, with occasional > forays into chicken- or > fish-eating and quick escapes from it ;=) - not a > perfect record). We > do, however, eat dairy and eggs, as do our dogs. > > We don't eat sweets, except for fresh fruit - just a > matter of > preference - but we love casseroles and soups and > stir fries. We eat a > lot of asian or asian-inflected dishes. We also love > pasta. This last > few years I have been making all our own bread and > our own noodles. > > I am really looking to exchanging ideas with people > on this list. > > Thanks again for the 'invite' - a very timely > seasonal present. > > Best, > pat > -- > PAT - AND CASEY & MADE - AND MISHA THE CAT WHO LOVES > BEAGLES > (In London, Ontario, Canada) > OUR EMAIL LIST: townhounds- > PERSONAL EMAIL: SANTBROWN > PERSONAL WEBPAGE: > http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:57:25 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > >I am preparing to start diet and exercise program, >which I hope will reverse the plaque and >atherosclerosis that I have built up in my coronary >and peripheral arteries over the past 59 years. I'm >looking for a diet and exercise program that will >protect me from diabetes, lung cancer, gout, >hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and the chronic, >degenerative diseases pandemic in the USA. > >Is anyone out there interested in these things? Yes, of course. But it's not that simple. No diet is going to give you 100% protection against all those conditions. I think the evidence is overwhelming, though, that a moderately low-fat diet heavy on fresh fruits and vegetables is your best bet. And that grains and carbohydrates should be WHOLE grains, unrefined (such as brown rice rather than white rice, wholewheat bread rather than white bread, etc.). In short, a varied diet of WHOLE natural foods. Just what the 'health-food freaks' have been saying for the past 50 years or more, actually. I dislike making statements such as this without having URLs immediately at hand, but in this case, the statement is based on all that I've read about nutrition over the last thirty years - which is a considerable amount. Here's one interesting article from the current Scientific American: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?colID=1 & articleID=0007C5B6-7152-1DF6-9733809EC5\ 88EEDF Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 And a response from the 'other' Pat - in London, Ontario. Okay, Ron, it's true that we don't eat sweets - but I mentioned that only because I understood that we would be doing some recipe exchanging on this list and wanted to indicate what I could not provide and was not interested in. Actually, we prefer not to eat sweets because we both have a sweet tooth but our metabolisms are such that if we eat sugar (except in fruit) we gain weight - whereas without it we don't crave it and don't have to worry ;=) (We've been without sweets a lot longer than we've been vegetarian.) We are keen on a healthy diet too - although neither of us has problems with heart or cholesterol - and, btw, we also don't like the idea of eating other critters (but that's an aesthetic thing, an ethical thing and a personal choice no one else has to buy into). Following on Pat Meadows' post to you on this subject, I would be leary of any diet which said it could cure all ills - or, frankly, even most ills. What diet can do, imho, is *cause* ills if it is the wrong diet. Getting back to less processed food, fresh food, less or no animal fat, and of course no meat (or for those who aren't there yet, little meat), in reasonable balance goes a long way to putting us all back on track. Whole grains are a must in our kitchen, as are plenty of fresh vegetables and fruit. We use no preprepared packaged foods. This sounds spartan, but it's not. It's self indulgent ;=) Pat Meadows also kindly included an url to a recent article in Scientific American. I haven't had time to read it all yet, but I have saved it and will finish it today. (Thanks from me for that too, Pat!) It sounds like good sense, as also is all her advice which I second ;=) I'd be happy to chat any time ;=) Thanks for replying to my intro. best, Pat London, Ontario -- PAT - AND CASEY & MADE - AND MISHA THE CAT WHO LOVES BEAGLES (In London, Ontario, Canada) OUR EMAIL LIST: townhounds- PERSONAL EMAIL: SANTBROWN PERSONAL WEBPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Sant & Brown: It's good to finally hear some sense about diet and exercise. I've been going to Overeaters Anonymous meetings and listening to television commercials to try to figure out how to live a healthy lifestyle. I have felt like everybody, including doctors, has been lying to me. Thanks for your experience. Ron McClure rlmftw --- Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote: > And a response from the 'other' Pat - in London, > Ontario. > > Okay, Ron, it's true that we don't eat sweets - but > I mentioned that > only because I understood that we would be doing > some recipe exchanging > on this list and wanted to indicate what I could not > provide and was not > interested in. Actually, we prefer not to eat sweets > because we both > have a sweet tooth but our metabolisms are such that > if we eat sugar > (except in fruit) we gain weight - whereas without > it we don't crave it > and don't have to worry ;=) (We've been without > sweets a lot longer than > we've been vegetarian.) > > We are keen on a healthy diet too - although neither > of us has problems > with heart or cholesterol - and, btw, we also don't > like the idea of > eating other critters (but that's an aesthetic > thing, an ethical thing > and a personal choice no one else has to buy into). > > Following on Pat Meadows' post to you on this > subject, I would be leary > of any diet which said it could cure all ills - or, > frankly, even most > ills. What diet can do, imho, is *cause* ills if it > is the wrong diet. > Getting back to less processed food, fresh food, > less or no animal fat, > and of course no meat (or for those who aren't there > yet, little meat), > in reasonable balance goes a long way to putting us > all back on track. > Whole grains are a must in our kitchen, as are > plenty of fresh > vegetables and fruit. We use no preprepared packaged > foods. This sounds > spartan, but it's not. It's self indulgent ;=) > > Pat Meadows also kindly included an url to a recent > article in > Scientific American. I haven't had time to read it > all yet, but I have > saved it and will finish it today. (Thanks from me > for that too, Pat!) > It sounds like good sense, as also is all her advice > which I second ;=) > > I'd be happy to chat any time ;=) Thanks for > replying to my intro. > > best, > Pat > London, Ontario > -- > PAT - AND CASEY & MADE - AND MISHA THE CAT WHO LOVES > BEAGLES > (In London, Ontario, Canada) > OUR EMAIL LIST: townhounds- > PERSONAL EMAIL: SANTBROWN > PERSONAL WEBPAGE: > http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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