Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 In a message dated 1/8/2003 6:35:25 PM Central Standard Time, santbrown writes: > The only support in the vegetarian community that McDonald's and the > >copycat lawyers were able to present to the court comes from the > >Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG). VRG submitted the only declaration > >in support of the proposal, even endorsing the money earmarked to go > >to the anti-vegetarian animal researcher at University of North > >Carolina -- a researcher who seeks to prove his personal hypothesis > >that the vegan diet is very unsafe for pregnant women, who need to > >eat eggs when pregnant in order to get sufficient choline. (This is > >the same animal researcher who usually does research supported by the > >Egg Board -- who VRG supports.) > > okay, that pisses me off, Oops, can I say that word? I mean peed off. That's why I choose to go to burger king, Veggie Burger!! And they also have better salads, and offer a baked potato.. And as far as the VRG!! PFFT!!! on them. Anna Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 This just came to me via another list. It seemed timely ;=) best, pat > McDonald's Attacks Vegetarian Leaders > in cahoots with copycat lawyers > by Jeff Nelson > Monday, Dec. 6, 2003 > > http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/mcdonalds_lawsuit2.htm > > LOS ANGELES -- Vegetarians sued McDonald's for not disclosing that > their " vegetarian " French fries actually contained beef. In response, > McDonald's apologized and agreed to make a $6 million donation to > non-profit vegetarian organizations. At least that's what McDonald's > said and agreed in writing it would do. > > Now McDonald's has filed a brief asking the judge in the matter not > to hold them to their promise, but to instead allow them to give the > money to non-vegetarian and anti-vegetarian organizations -- and to > " vegetarian organizations " whose nutritionists recommend meat, > chicken, fish and shrimp. > > And in response to the many beloved bestselling vegetarian authors, > medical doctors and leaders who have petitioned the court not to > permit McDonald's to subvert the settlement agreement, McDonald's -- > along with the lawyers supposedly representing vegetarians -- attack > these esteemed individuals, telling the judge they are all > disgruntled " zealous radicals " motivated by " greed. " > > In our original article called Sleeping With the Enemy, VegSource > previously covered this scandal in detail. In short, McDonald's -- > with the support of the " copycat " plaintiff attorneys who were fired > by their vegetarian clients -- is attempting to steer much of the > settlement money they explicitly agreed would go to " vegetarian > organizations . . . dedicated to the values of vegetarianism " -- > instead to organizations which are hostile to vegetarianism. > > The most recent developments show McDonald's and the copycat > attorneys filing large briefs full of personal insults and > name-calling against esteemed vegetarian leaders like John Robbins, > Michael Klaper MD, John McDougall MD, T. Colin Campbell PhD, Alex > Hershaft PhD, Mark Epstein, Joanne Stepaniak, Jack Norris, Matt Ball, > Gene and Lorri Bauston, Stanley Sapon PhD and many others. > > First McDonald's lied by saying their fries contained no beef, now > they're trying to betray vegetarians a second time, by reneging on > their promise to donate money to vegetarian groups. They argue to the > court they should be able to give this money instead to > non-vegetarian and even anti-vegetarian organizations, so long as > those organizations merely promise to do " vegetarian research " with > the money. > > The only support in the vegetarian community that McDonald's and the > copycat lawyers were able to present to the court comes from the > Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG). VRG submitted the only declaration > in support of the proposal, even endorsing the money earmarked to go > to the anti-vegetarian animal researcher at University of North > Carolina -- a researcher who seeks to prove his personal hypothesis > that the vegan diet is very unsafe for pregnant women, who need to > eat eggs when pregnant in order to get sufficient choline. (This is > the same animal researcher who usually does research supported by the > Egg Board -- who VRG supports.) > > Elie Wiesel is often quoted as saying, " Take sides, neutrality helps > the oppressor, never the victim. " Another oft' repeated line is: > " Silence is consent. " Unfortunately, the North American Vegetarian > Society (NAVS) -- which stands to receive $1 million if this corrupt > McDonald's allocation goes through -- decided to remain silent and > not use their special position in the matter to raise questions, or > to educate the judge to help prevent a miscarriage of justice. NAVS > is well aware that anti-vegetarian groups will benefit if this > proposal goes through. I guess for some it's easier to look the other > way when vegetarianism is getting mugged -- especially when the > mugger is giving you a share. > > It's one thing to claim to be an " ethical " vegetarian; but actions > speak far louder than words. Let us hope that McDonald's and VRG -- > as well as NAVS and any other organization with special position > which chose silence over ethics -- do not succeed in deceiving the > judge into approving this corrupt proposal. > > -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I don't think Burger King, comparatively, will be any knight in shining armor. I believe money and power drives most of these huge corporations/businesses to corruption. Some just hide it better than others, kind of like politicians. Wendy's has a couple of good salads. Plus they carry bleu cheese, unlike BK. Micky D's salad in a cup just LOOKS WRONG. The salad bar is always the best solution. LOL, I remember being at a salad bar one time and this guy comes in with his family, grabs his plate and states " alright let's get past all this green stuff and get to the good stuff (cheese, croutons, salad dressing). " I just cracked up. Sorry no more ramblings, Shawn " If, at first, you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment. " " If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. " " The last four letters in " American " spell out " I Can " . " " Everything's ok in the end, if it's not ok, it's not the end. " ----Original Message Follows---- AnnaJames91 Re: McDonald's Lawsuit Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:30:59 EST In a message dated 1/8/2003 6:35:25 PM Central Standard Time, santbrown writes: > The only support in the vegetarian community that McDonald's and the > >copycat lawyers were able to present to the court comes from the > >Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG). VRG submitted the only declaration > >in support of the proposal, even endorsing the money earmarked to go > >to the anti-vegetarian animal researcher at University of North > >Carolina -- a researcher who seeks to prove his personal hypothesis > >that the vegan diet is very unsafe for pregnant women, who need to > >eat eggs when pregnant in order to get sufficient choline. (This is > >the same animal researcher who usually does research supported by the > >Egg Board -- who VRG supports.) > > okay, that pisses me off, Oops, can I say that word? I mean peed off. That's why I choose to go to burger king, Veggie Burger!! And they also have better salads, and offer a baked potato.. And as far as the VRG!! PFFT!!! on them. Anna Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2003 Report Share Posted January 9, 2003 But you know, when I was getting my bleu cheese dressing off the salad bar, it occurred to me that it was sitting awful close to what was possibly real ham bits... *giggle* I just hate the thought of someone dribbling the parts of their salad into the bowls. -dawn , " _- MatrixenO -_ " <matrixeno@h...> wrote: > I don't think Burger King, comparatively, will be any knight in shining > armor. I believe money and power drives most of these huge > corporations/businesses to corruption. Some just hide it better than > others, kind of like politicians. > > Wendy's has a couple of good salads. Plus they carry bleu cheese, unlike > BK. Micky D's salad in a cup just LOOKS WRONG. The salad bar is always the > best solution. LOL, I remember being at a salad bar one time and this guy > comes in with his family, grabs his plate and states " alright let's get past > all this green stuff and get to the good stuff (cheese, croutons, salad > dressing). " I just cracked up. > > Sorry no more ramblings, > Shawn > > > > > > " If, at first, you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment. " > " If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. " > > " The last four letters in " American " spell out " I Can " . " > > " Everything's ok in the end, if it's not ok, it's not the end. " > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > AnnaJames91@c... > > > Re: McDonald's Lawsuit > Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:30:59 EST > > In a message dated 1/8/2003 6:35:25 PM Central Standard Time, > santbrown@l... writes: > > The only support in the vegetarian community that McDonald's and the > > >copycat lawyers were able to present to the court comes from the > > >Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG). VRG submitted the only declaration > > >in support of the proposal, even endorsing the money earmarked to go > > >to the anti-vegetarian animal researcher at University of North > > >Carolina -- a researcher who seeks to prove his personal hypothesis > > >that the vegan diet is very unsafe for pregnant women, who need to > > >eat eggs when pregnant in order to get sufficient choline. (This is > > >the same animal researcher who usually does research supported by the > > >Egg Board -- who VRG supports.) > > > > okay, that pisses me off, Oops, can I say that word? I mean peed off. That's > why I choose to go to burger king, Veggie Burger!! And they also have better > salads, and offer a baked potato.. And as far as the VRG!! PFFT!!! on them. > Anna > > > > Anna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2003 Report Share Posted January 9, 2003 What kind of vegetarian organizations recommend meat? jeez, I'm glad I no longer eat or work at mcdonald's. Sadly, it was a somewhat large part of my diet up until last year. I wouldn't want to give them any of my money. ~Sara > > " vegetarian organizations " whose nutritionists recommend meat, > > chicken, fish and shrimp. Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 > But you know, when I was getting my bleu cheese dressing off the > salad bar, it occurred to me that it was sitting awful close to what > was possibly real ham bits... *giggle* I just hate the thought of > someone dribbling the parts of their salad into the bowls. > Reminds me of the flight I was on in November. My husband and I had both requested vegetarian meals - ovo lacto. When our trays arrived we were given omelettes and they smelled a bit funny so we asked. Finding that those pink bits all through it was indeed ham and not veggie ham, we were told we could 'pick them out' ;=) We stayed hungry. best, pat (canada) PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Yeah, I've already considered those situations inevitable in restaurants (whether it be cross contamination or ham bits). The buffets and salad bars have sneeze guards. Perhaps we should come up with a " sloppy guard " for those that are utensilly challenged. We could all use that every once in a while, lol. Peace, Shawn " If, at first, you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment. " " If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. " " The last four letters in " American " spell out " I Can " . " " Everything's ok in the end, if it's not ok, it's not the end. " ----Original Message Follows---- " dawn <skgpeace " <skgpeace Re: McDonald's Lawsuit Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:45:54 -0000 But you know, when I was getting my bleu cheese dressing off the salad bar, it occurred to me that it was sitting awful close to what was possibly real ham bits... *giggle* I just hate the thought of someone dribbling the parts of their salad into the bowls. -dawn , " _- MatrixenO -_ " <matrixeno@h...> wrote: > I don't think Burger King, comparatively, will be any knight in shining > armor. I believe money and power drives most of these huge > corporations/businesses to corruption. Some just hide it better than > others, kind of like politicians. > > Wendy's has a couple of good salads. Plus they carry bleu cheese, unlike > BK. Micky D's salad in a cup just LOOKS WRONG. The salad bar is always the > best solution. LOL, I remember being at a salad bar one time and this guy > comes in with his family, grabs his plate and states " alright let's get past > all this green stuff and get to the good stuff (cheese, croutons, salad > dressing). " I just cracked up. > > Sorry no more ramblings, > Shawn > > > > > > " If, at first, you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment. " > " If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. " > > " The last four letters in " American " spell out " I Can " . " > > " Everything's ok in the end, if it's not ok, it's not the end. " > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > AnnaJames91@c... > > > Re: McDonald's Lawsuit > Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:30:59 EST > > In a message dated 1/8/2003 6:35:25 PM Central Standard Time, > santbrown@l... writes: > > The only support in the vegetarian community that McDonald's and the > > >copycat lawyers were able to present to the court comes from the > > >Vegetarian Resource Group (VRG). VRG submitted the only declaration > > >in support of the proposal, even endorsing the money earmarked to go > > >to the anti-vegetarian animal researcher at University of North > > >Carolina -- a researcher who seeks to prove his personal hypothesis > > >that the vegan diet is very unsafe for pregnant women, who need to > > >eat eggs when pregnant in order to get sufficient choline. (This is > > >the same animal researcher who usually does research supported by the > > >Egg Board -- who VRG supports.) > > > > okay, that pisses me off, Oops, can I say that word? I mean peed off. That's > why I choose to go to burger king, Veggie Burger!! And they also have better > salads, and offer a baked potato.. And as far as the VRG!! PFFT!!! on them. > Anna > > > > Anna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Sant & Brown wrote: > Reminds me of the flight I was on in November. My husband and I had both > requested vegetarian meals - ovo lacto. When our trays arrived we were > given omelettes and they smelled a bit funny so we asked. Finding that > those pink bits all through it was indeed ham and not veggie ham, we > were told we could 'pick them out' ;=) We stayed hungry. Pat, I hope you wrote a letter of complaint to the airline. The way you were treated was disgraceful and they shouldn't advertise non-meat meals if they aren't going to provide them. I just hope you werent on a really long flight. Regards to the fish, LisA ICQ#: 15562604 *** www.gu.uwa.edu.au/clubs/vegies *** " I think---therefore I'm single... " -Lizz Winstead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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