Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Are there any dog rescue people on this list? Or perhaps you are very experienced with problem dog behavior? I could use your advice! I'm inheriting a very lovable American Eskimo dog from a relative. He's not very big (may 15 " high), very beautiful and affectionate, but also very JUMPY and SUSPICIOUS OF STRANGERS! The behavior comes from the fact that for the first year of his life he was locked in a garage and given no attention or affection. They would just open the door and throw some food in at him then close the door again. My relative rescued him. They potty trained him and give him TONS of love and affection, but that's IT. They are not the best dog owners when it comes to training. I think I can deal with the jumping thing, but he's so suspicious of strangers coming into the house it is a problem. Out on the street or at dog parks he loves people and there has never been a negative incident. But if someone new comes into the house he totally freaks out. He has bitten a couple of people and I can't have that when he's mine. I have heard this breed sometimes needs a moment or two to size a person up when they enter their territory--approach them too soon and they feel threatened. So maybe I can instruct people to not approach him at all for the first 5 minutes they are over. I've also heard you should have a day where you have people drop by frequently all day so you can train them how to behave--but this is not practical for us. We just don't know that many people. Also, he's going to have major separation anxiety because you wouldn't believe how attached this dog is to my relative. He just follows her around all day. She does not work so he's been receiving 24 hour attention and, well, I have a job so that's going to stop. Other than the jumpy and suspicious of strangers thing, this is the sweetest dog and I want to do all I can to keep him. I know all this negative behavior is mostly due to the horrible neglect he suffered the first year of his life. He really loves us and gets along great with my other dog (an 8-month old female lab that needs a play-partner). He is three--so he's not that old for this breed which can live for up to 18 years. So he's still trainable I hope. Any opinions? Suggestions? Experiences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 I've had a few years of experience but sad to say not with this breed. I have known one and it was a hard dog to get along with. First, the dog is going to be very insecure. Once the dog gets use to his new surroundings and routine he is going to want to protect it for himself and for you. I would say to keep his contact limited with strangers in the house. He needs to be socialized slowly and at his own pace. Put up a gate to separate him from the room where the guests are but not so that he is locked out. Don't force people on him and use slow contact and no direct eye contact. I have always heard not to smile at dogs that had issues because they may consider you baring your teeth at them. Don't know if this is true but I don't smile at dogs who seem nervous. I'm not a dog trainer but a common sense approach with the attitude of slowly socializing him seems reasonable. Some dogs just do better out of social situations. They are one person or one family dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 My suggestion to you is to join an American Eskimo immediately and forward your email to them for some advice. There is one on called AmericanEskimoRescue that might be able to give you some insight into this particular breeds behavior. From your email, it sounds as though Eskies may bond to one person very strongly, or it may be just this one as he was not socialized at all in his developing years. He has not learned any " dog language " , much less human languange and his social skills are minimal. Dogs are pack animals and learn from not only being in the pack but from other members of the pack. What he has learned so far in this life is that he cannot depend on anyone but himself; that humans leave. That is a terrible thing for a dog to endure, especially when their instincts tell them that they should look to an Alpha for guidance. Whoever he has bonded to now, he had bonded to extraordinarily strongly because a) that person is seen by him as an Alpha; someone he can look to for guidance and b) that person has been dependable and not left him. This is precisely why you are seeing the separation anxiety from him. He is not secure that he will not be left again. In dealing with a dog that is aggressive of his turf, you must consider where that comes from. Dogs left to fend for themselves often develop " far more aggression than protectivity because everyone who passes by or enters has ....violated the territory that dog has marked dozens of times a day for year. " This quote was said of an outside, chained dog, but would have some relavance here. The only thing he's been able to call his own is his territory. He is protecting it in his eyes hence, the aggression you are seeing. I've seen many dogs with that are " crate protective " or " car protective " who will ONLY exhibit aggressive behavior when they are in a crate or in a car. How do you curtial this? First, you must make absolutely certain that you are not telling the dog, either verbally or non-verbally that you approve of the behavior. For instance, when he becomes aggressive by snarling or growling or barking at a visitor, does anyone walk over to the dog and pet him and say, " It's ok, It's ok, so-and-so is not going to hurt you, " in an effort to calm him? From the dogs point of view, because he cannot understand our human language, if this is done, you have just REWARDED the dog for the behavior. He has received a pet, some attention and some kind, soothing words of which he has no clue of their meaning. Yippee! The next person that comes through the door, I'm going to REPEAT what I just did and maybe I'll get more attention, more pets, more kind words...what I'm doing must be RIGHT! Make sense? One important thing to remember: Dogs will repeat a behavior up to TWENTY times, if they have ever been rewarded for it just ONCE. TWENTY. Trying to get the same reward. Consider that what you & the dog might think are rewards could be two different things, however, it appears that rewarding this particular dog could be very, very easy. In fact, due to the lack of attention he has received earlier in his life, a little attention is going to go a LOOONG way with him. There are several ways in which you can " fix " this problem, because it is a problem that could escalate into something unfortunate for him and for your family. I've given you some insight into how the dog might be reading your possible actions (you really didn't tell us what you were doing, just what the dog was doing so I've guessed a little based on my experience with owners). This dog needs some assurances. He also needs to be relieved of the necessity for aggression. For instance, in the dog pack, the pack looks to the Alpha to straighten out any problems, within and out of the pack. If the Alpha is not perceived as " strong " enough to fulfill this need, there will be one or more in the pack that will take care of it for him. If this happens more than once, it is likely that they Alpha will be replaced by someone who is strong enough. I'll give you an example: I have 3 MinPins, the largest and oldest of which is an 8 lb. female and two 5 lb. males who are younger. In my absence, she is the Alpha bitch. Sometimes, if the males play loudly and roughly and she takes it into her head that she doesn't want them to play anymore. No reason, but she will look to ME to break it up. I have no intention of breaking it up, because it is ok with me that they play. She feels as though something needs to be done though and she will jump, growling and snarling, into the middle of them trying to stop them. She has, in essence, taken matters into her own hands and done a " job " that she felt I was supposed to do. What do I do to stop that? I need to remove from her the feeling that she is responsible for that. It is NOT her job, it is mine. She needs to be brought down a peg. Not much, just enough to let her know that if I think something is ok, it is not up to her to 2nd guess me. There are lots of ways in which this can be done. Now, this email is entirely too long and I apologize for anyone whom I've bored beyond tears. If the author of the original email thinks that this touches on anything close to what she is experiencing, she can feel free to write me personally and I'll try to help. Storm Bryant Regional Coordinator IMPS-GA/AL <A HREF= " http://www.minpinrescue.org/ " >Internet Miniature Pinscher Service, Inc. (IMPS)</A> Instructor-Sirius Dog Agility Training Center Proud Owner of Giselle-MXJ, AX Maxi-Pup - NA (Jumper in Training) & Boo (Watcher of all things Agility) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 have you done a search on google for eskimo rescue? I've had experiences wiht rescues but all with pekingese. I hd a puppymill girl that basiclaly all she needed was love & patience to bring her around. but some things never leave them; someone abused the hell out of my kaise & she's still wary of strangers to this day. megan - Maija.Ray Friday, January 10, 2003 1:01 PM To dog lovers Are there any dog rescue people on this list? Or perhaps you are very experienced with problem dog behavior? I could use your advice! I'm inheriting a very lovable American Eskimo dog from a relative. He's not very big (may 15 " high), very beautiful and affectionate, but also very JUMPY and SUSPICIOUS OF STRANGERS! The behavior comes from the fact that for the first year of his life he was locked in a garage and given no attention or affection. They would just open the door and throw some food in at him then close the door again. My relative rescued him. They potty trained him and give him TONS of love and affection, but that's IT. They are not the best dog owners when it comes to training. I think I can deal with the jumping thing, but he's so suspicious of strangers coming into the house it is a problem. Out on the street or at dog parks he loves people and there has never been a negative incident. But if someone new comes into the house he totally freaks out. He has bitten a couple of people and I can't have that when he's mine. I have heard this breed sometimes needs a moment or two to size a person up when they enter their territory--approach them too soon and they feel threatened. So maybe I can instruct people to not approach him at all for the first 5 minutes they are over. I've also heard you should have a day where you have people drop by frequently all day so you can train them how to behave--but this is not practical for us. We just don't know that many people. Also, he's going to have major separation anxiety because you wouldn't believe how attached this dog is to my relative. He just follows her around all day. She does not work so he's been receiving 24 hour attention and, well, I have a job so that's going to stop. Other than the jumpy and suspicious of strangers thing, this is the sweetest dog and I want to do all I can to keep him. I know all this negative behavior is mostly due to the horrible neglect he suffered the first year of his life. He really loves us and gets along great with my other dog (an 8-month old female lab that needs a play-partner). He is three--so he's not that old for this breed which can live for up to 18 years. So he's still trainable I hope. Any opinions? Suggestions? Experiences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 I have owned many breeds of dogs over the years. At the moment I have a Peke, two Aussies, and a Beagle, all rescues. I've never gone out and got a dog. They are either in a bad situation or I find them as I did the Beagle on the side of the road. Most come around with lots of TLC and time but some never become what I wish they would. I still love them and just adapt the situation to fit the need. If the dog doesn't do well with strangers just gate her off but don't lock her up. This would probably do more harm than good for her mental state. When she does do a good thing reward her. A stern voice will be enough to let her know your displeasure. Make sure you provide a variety of toys and chew thingys when you are away and it may not hurt to have a couple old T-shirts to throw in the bed with you sleep on, and then give her to sleep on while you are gone. Good Luck! Robin in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 About the little American Eskie: I have been following this closely, but as I am not a trainer (and I have a pair of beagles - quite a different breed ;=)) I have left the advice to others, who have done a remarkable job of giving excellent training tips and advice. I think that you really *must* join an American Eskie grooup asap - if they are anything like a group I belong to for beagles, they will literally save both of you ;=) I realize it is off topic, but I for one would love to know what happens about this little guy. When are you getting him? Maybe an update from time to time? - if offlist, please add me to your mini-list of people interested ;=) I ask because one of my dogs is upset when anyone comes on her turf. She doesn't bite - but she kinda tries to take over the greeting process in a way that is above and beyond mere hospitality ;=) Like you, we don't have many visitors and all the usual training advice can't easily be put into practice. (We are making progress, though.) Good luck to you both! best, pat --- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Good advice, Megan. A website for that breed on rescues will probably have some more breed specific info. I can't say as I know too much about them. I have Jack Russell Terriers, and recently rescued a three year old female from a puppy farm. She obviously was abused or something by a man b/c she is very shy around all men. She has come around very well in many other ways though. I wish you lived around here, Megan, as this puppy farm has many pugs and pekingese; just heartbreaking. My advice is to go slow, be patient and very gentle. I used to own a German Shepherd and I know that breed is very " one family " type, as Robin put it. Some of the larger breeds are very protective of their home turf and guardians and no matter what you do will not be the kind of dogs you can trust around visitors; great for guarding your home and kids though, and best friends for life. Good luck. ~ P_T ~ The woods are lovely, dark and deep. / But I have promises to keep, / And miles to go before I sleep / And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ~~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , " Megan Milligan " < yasminduran@l...> wrote: > have you done a search on google for eskimo rescue? I've had experiences wiht rescues but all with pekingese. I hd a puppymill girl that basiclaly all she needed was love & patience to bring her around. but some things never leave them; someone abused the hell out of my kaise & she's still wary of strangers to this day. > > megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 here's my little Kissie girl. :-) & Spooky, another rescue. I couldn't be blessed with two better dogs. They never fight. I hardly ever have to discipline them except for housebreaking issues, & the only big danger from them is spooky licking you to death. :-) Kaise's the grey one dressed up for cindo de mayo, spooky is the lick-inator. Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Let me jump in here and share with you the love i have for my three cats. I feel that I would be negligent of their feelings if I did not introduce Jupiter, Tyrannasaurus Rex, and Princess Pufflemuffin, my three boys (yes Princess is a boy... I have a 4 yr. old) and add that cats come potty trained and are more aloof than dogs, requiring as much attention (generally) as you have to give them. -dawn , " Megan Milligan " <yasminduran@l...> wrote: > here's my little Kissie girl. :-) & Spooky, another rescue. I couldn't be blessed with two better dogs. They never fight. I hardly ever have to discipline them except for housebreaking issues, & the only big danger from them is spooky licking you to death. :-) > > Kaise's the grey one dressed up for cindo de mayo, spooky is the lick-inator. > > Megan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Misha, my brown and white tiger tabby, greets your Jupiter, Tyrannasaurus Rex, and Princess Pufflemuffin! Misha was named for Mikhail Baryshnakov, in hopes that he would have a career in dancing (he can already do the great leaps). We adore him. He is companion to our two tri-coloured beagle girls, Casey and Made (that's Made with an e-acute, folks, two syllables, accent on the first). And yes, having just thanked my dh for taking the girls out for a poo in subzero weather I can applaud the efficiency of cats! Misha is always trying to steal tofu - how about yours? best, Pat - and Casey and Made - and Misha the Cat Who Loves Beagles > Let me jump in here and share with you the love i have for my three > cats. I feel that I would be negligent of their feelings if I did > not introduce Jupiter, Tyrannasaurus Rex, and Princess Pufflemuffin, > my three boys (yes Princess is a boy... I have a 4 yr. old) and add > that cats come potty trained and are more aloof than dogs, requiring > as much attention (generally) as you have to give them. > -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Anyone here feed their dogs a veggie diet? best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Earlier today, in a slightly sleepwalking state I am sure, I asked under this subject line if anyone fed their dogs a vegetarian or vegan diet. I realize that I risk being misunderstood, and I'm sorry if that is so. It could be seen as a question intended to test anyone's 'commitment' to vegetarianism or, on the other hand, their commitment to their dogs' health. I should have noted, out of courtesy to the rest of you, that I do so myself. I didn't always, as it happens, but I have done since last fall/autumn and they're doing verrrrry well indeed on it, so no worries there ;=) Anyway, anyone? It'd be good to exchange notes. best, pat - in canada -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Sant & Brown wrote: > Anyone here feed their dogs a veggie diet? I feed 2 of my dogs IVD vegetarian food. This is the veterinarian diet made by Nature's Recipe. It contains no wheat, corn, or soy. One of the dogs has food allergies and the other has problems with digesting meat protein. My other 2 dogs eat regular dog food. Tina bouledogue.tmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 > I feed 2 of my dogs IVD vegetarian food. This is the veterinarian diet made > by Nature's Recipe. It contains no wheat, corn, or soy. One of the dogs has > food allergies and the other has problems with digesting meat protein. My > other 2 dogs eat regular dog food. > > Tina > bouledogue.tmg > I haven't tried the veg dogfood you mention - don't know that I've seen it, actually, but so much is unavailable around here :=( Fortunately, neither of my girls has allergies, so I'm not in a crisis over it, but I am always looking for the ultimate dogfood (and catfood, but that's a whole 'nother tale). I feed my dogs Natural Life vegetarian, which seems to be okay for them, supplemented by home-cooked. They're doing great :=) thanks for answering ;=) best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Tyrannasaurus Rex has a heart murmur, so I am afraid to give him anything that might be not good for his little body... and the others are just not interested. I'm sure it has nothing to do with my skill as a cook:) -dawn , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > Misha, my brown and white tiger tabby, greets your Jupiter, > Tyrannasaurus Rex, and Princess Pufflemuffin! Misha was named for > Mikhail Baryshnakov, in hopes that he would have a career in dancing (he > can already do the great leaps). We adore him. He is companion to our > two tri-coloured beagle girls, Casey and Made (that's Made with an > e-acute, folks, two syllables, accent on the first). And yes, having > just thanked my dh for taking the girls out for a poo in subzero weather > I can applaud the efficiency of cats! > > Misha is always trying to steal tofu - how about yours? > > best, > Pat - and Casey and Made - and Misha the Cat Who Loves Beagles > > > Let me jump in here and share with you the love i have for my three > > cats. I feel that I would be negligent of their feelings if I did > > not introduce Jupiter, Tyrannasaurus Rex, and Princess Pufflemuffin, > > my three boys (yes Princess is a boy... I have a 4 yr. old) and add > > that cats come potty trained and are more aloof than dogs, requiring > > as much attention (generally) as you have to give them. > > > -- > PAT (In London, Ontario) > Email List: townhounds- > (townhounds/) > Personal Email: SANTBROWN@L... > Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man > will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer > * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice > * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 and on that note: what about their cats? Or will I need to go to a different group for my littlest of the heathens? -dawn , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > Anyone here feed their dogs a veggie diet? > > best, > pat > -- > PAT (In London, Ontario) > Email List: townhounds- > (townhounds/) > Personal Email: SANTBROWN@L... > Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man > will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer > * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice > * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 > Tyrannasaurus Rex has a heart murmur, so I am afraid to give him > anything that might be not good for his little body... and the > others are just not interested. I'm sure it has nothing to do with > my skill as a cook:) > Oh hey, Misha just steals it right out of the package if I'm not watching him! ;=) My beagle girls just beg to lick out anything with tofu so I usually scrape a little out for them and put it in their food. I sure wouldn't give it to them or let them have it if any of them were unwell (I didn't know it was bad for heart conditions) - and I do know that some pets are allergic to soy products of any kind, not to mention wheat and corn ;=( I certainly wouldn't give it to them if they didn't like it - no point really ;=) Sorry about TR's heart murmur - one of the little pom-chihuahua crosses belonging to a neighbour has a heart murmur and they have to be soooo careful of him. He must be so precious to you. best from our critters to yours, pat - canada -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 > and on that note: what about their cats? Or will I need to go to a > different group for my littlest of the heathens? > -dawn > > , Sant & Brown > wrote: > > Anyone here feed their dogs a veggie diet? > > > Yes, okay, what *about* cats. Cats are more problematic, aren't they? Dogs are more omnivores than carnivores and do very well, therefore, on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Cats can also be vegan - and without a whole lot of difficulty in the USA. Here in London, Ontario, I've been unable to find a distributor/seller of vegan food for cats. I could make my own and add the necessary supplements, but the problem - and I am good at making problems - is twofold: One is that we tike to travel, and asking the kennel maids to cope with home-made food is just not on the cards; two is that Misha (our resident feline) is a bit of a fussy eater and yet he gobbles his food and then upchucks more often than we think is healthy and, therefore, I am reluctant to do something so drastic as changing him or trying to change him to vegan. It might of course be the curing of him, I realize ;=) Certainly it's good for people! But too much information here! Sorry ;=) I do go on . . . So yes, what about cats?????? best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 My cat is not on a Vegan diet - although I am =o) Asland used to vomit a lot also. I finally took her to a great Vet who diagnosed her with a thyroid problem. She has to take half a pill each day but Since the diagnosis she has gained all of her weight back and then some and is no longer vomiting -- unless she eats grass when we go outside. Good luck finding a vegan cat food ... have you checked out the book 250 ways to make your cat love you -- by Ingrid Newkirk? It has some recipes in it for vegan cat food. Hugs to you and your kitties. Susan " Yes, okay, what *about* cats. Cats are more problematic, aren't they? Dogs are more omnivores than carnivores and do very well, therefore, on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Cats can also be vegan - and without a whole lot of difficulty in the USA. Here in London, Ontario, I've been unable to find a distributor/seller of vegan food for cats. I could make my own and add the necessary supplements, but the problem - and I am good at making problems - is twofold: One is that we tike to travel, and asking the kennel maids to cope with home-made food is just not on the cards; two is that Misha (our resident feline) is a bit of a fussy eater and yet he gobbles his food and then upchucks more often than we think is healthy and, therefore, I am reluctant to do something so drastic as changing him or trying to change him to vegan. It might of course be the curing of him, I realize ;=) Certainly it's good for people! But too much information here! Sorry ;=) I do go on . . . So yes, what about cats?????? best, pat " " A mind at peace, a mind centered and not focused on harming others, is stronger than any physical force in the universe. " Wayne Dyer, 1940 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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