Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 I have 3 dogs and have been feeding BARF for nearly 2 years.It costs next to nothing and you can see what you are feeding.Even 'high' quality dog food is full of undesirable things and the heat process takes out any goodness.I do supplement with vitamins,my dogs have different supplements according to age and health etc,its truly addictive,to see the ones we love eating fresh ,natural food is wonderful!! Sarah UK - genie bottle Friday, August 16, 2002 5:16 PM pet food Not to stray too far off topic, but once you start reading about what is really in pet food... ick. Just to preface that though, alot of what is on the web is not entirely true, so be cautious as to what you read and believe. On the other hand, there are a number of good books about natural pet health care out there, unfortunately, the one that I read I can't remember the title for. Some people do feed a raw diet to their pets, otherwise called BARF, or bones and raw food. I still am not doing this, although have considered it. My vet is OK with this and suggested that if I do do this, to ask her for help. I totally agree. Find a good vet and get them to recomend books and a beginning diet. It's way to complicated to causually jump into without a considerable amount of research and medical support... The reason I don't do this is the expense and time. I don't have much to spare in either catagory. I feed a commercial dry food, though an expensive one. The natropath vet book that I read suggested this as one of the OK dry foods. It is Solid Gold, though there were a number of other foods on the list. This is just the one that my dog likes. It has human grade food, lamb meat and no wheat, soy or corn, all big allergans in dogs. He's doing much better on it, though my vet, who thinks this food is great, still feeds Pedigree. Go figure. Best of luck. Genie susi hall wrote: I bet it also ends up in our pets food. I have been toying with the idea of making my own pets food lately. Does anyone do that? I saw some recipes for it, and you have to put in pet vitamins for it to have the proper nutrition. I would rather regret that which I have experienced than wish I had experienced that which is past. HotJobs, a service - Search Thousands of New Jobs contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 I'm trying not to go too far off-topic, but those of you who are interested in pet nutrition, do a search on Groups for the diets you're interested in. There are dozens of groups on that deal with nothing but pet nutrition, how to maintain certain diets, the pros and cons of each diet (the raw food diet has some controversy, as some people think it might be unsafe and others think it's perfectly safe), nutrition for certain breeds and size ranges, and so on. Several of those groups are really good sources of information. One you can use as a jumping off point is called K9_nutrition (I think that's how it was spelled). They discuss every diet out there, and can point you towards more specific lists if you're interested in certain diets. Sarah Osborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 >can't remember the title for. Some people do feed a raw diet to their >pets, otherwise called BARF, or bones and raw food. I still am not doing >this, although have considered it. My vet is OK with this and suggested I used to feed my dog a raw diet that I got from someone on a dog-related email list. I was very happy with it, and it worked very well, and was not too much trouble. It was comprised of a meat (usually ground turkey), a vegetable (ie carrots, sweet potato, spinach), and a grain (quinoa, brown rice, etc.) all mixed together. The proportions of each are important, and yes, you need to add supplements (not vitamins). >that if I do do this, to ask her for help. I totally agree. Find a good >vet and get them to recomend books and a beginning diet. It's way to >complicated to causually jump into without a considerable amount of >research and medical support... I would disagree. Most vets are not trained in nutrition. I would instead talk to a holistic vet in your area. If you're really interested in this, read books, but also join an email list. That way you're talking to people who've actually done it. Yes, it's complicated, but no more so than human nutrition. >The reason I don't do this is the expense and time. Actually, the diet that I used was not too time-consuming, or expensive. But then, I do have a small dog, too! :-) But yes, it is more time-consuming than just plopping kibble into the dish. >I feed a commercial dry food, though an expensive one. It is Solid Gold, This is the kibble that both my dogs are on now, and I'm VERY happy with it. Why did I stop with the raw diet? I was LAZY! :-) >though my vet, who thinks this food is great, still feeds Pedigree. Go Well, I CERTAINLY wouldn't ask her for help with a raw diet! ;-) Good luck! Dawn (a new member to the list) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2002 Report Share Posted August 16, 2002 I feed a BARF diet to my furkids. They have been eating that way for 4 years+ and I never look back. As we do with our diets, I did much research, read books and then decided what was best. As a matter of fact, doing all that research for them is what made me take a closer look at what I put into my body.......... donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 WEll, after my boy, Carbon, got cancer last year, I switched him from Dog Chow to Solid Gold dog food. The allergies I didn't know he had cleared up (no more drippy nose or much sneezing) and his coat looks better. Last summer, my two cats became bulimic. Nasty is all I can say. It was almost every day and I tried every hair ball control cat food/remedy out there... I, in desperation, finally switched them to Wellness cat food. They stopped yacking within days. Then, in December, I was feeling poor so switched them back to the cheap Purina Pro stuff. It's taken a month, but Zorro yacked again. Both of these foods are human grade with and at least Solid Gold has no wheat, corn or soy in it and uses only the muscle part of the animal, lamb in this case. Wellness is almost as good, my cats like it better, and is easier to get, at least here. They are both rather expensive. But, I and other folks have seen marked health improvements in their pets. Many folks whose dogs have skin allergies have found great improvement in using Solid Gold. Oh, I might add that you should NOT go to www.solidgold.com, it is a PORN sight. Instead, go to: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/ I don't feed vegetarian simply because I strongly feel that they were not veg. naturally in the wild. With the cancer thing being so rampant, I want to feed what is natural and without chemicals and so far, this is the best I have found. Others might make a different decision, but this is where I ended up at.. Someone mentioned nutritional yeast... I am feeding my dog that now. Nutritional yeast and garlic pills that I bought at Tractor Supply store... a friend has been giving her dog those for years and never has to use flea stuff. And this is here in south Texas where there are fleas all year round. So, we're trying it. It's cheaper and better for him anyways... just a thought. Give your kids hugs! GEnie New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 while we're on the subject of what pets eat, does anyone have a good remedy for poo breath? (don't ask! but i'm serious!) :-) Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 Well, hey - thanks for that ! ;=) I had been looking for something better for my cat and someone - another e-friend on my dog list - had suggested Felidae, because of its human grade ingredients, etc. But my one hope of getting it around here failed as of this morning. So I rang around and found Wellness, after checking it out on the net, ordered some and had it delivered within the hour. Misha, I should add, is also a bulimic cat and I have tried *everything*. Well, Wellness may or may not stop him from barfing all over the place all the time, but at least I know that what he's eating is not - well, not to gross our non-pet-owner veggie friends out ;=) - at least I know that it is human grade protein in the food. He thinks they are cat treats/candies right now, and I will add this new Wellness kibble slowly over the next week .He's not really a *very* fussy eater, so there should be no problem. As I write, he is picking the little round kibbles out of his dish and eating them first ;=) Misha says thanks! best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2003 Report Share Posted January 13, 2003 > while we're on the subject of what pets eat, does anyone have a good remedy for > poo breath? (don't ask! but i'm serious!) :-) > I guess you can't get them to suck a peppermint, eh? ;=) What a problem - sorry, wish I could help. Mine are not so good that I don't have to watch them for this, but I usually only have trouble with duck poo in the park, and that for some reason doesn't smell on their breath. Maybe the ducks are vegetarian ;=) best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones that we should be using? Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Carol, I can't remember exactly. If you go to www.peta.org <http://www.peta.org/> , click on cruelty-free living and you can find some great info there, including animal food manufacturers who still engage in animal testing, and long lists of veg*n and non-veg*n products. I was really surprised by some of the info I found - companies I would never consider buying from actually were recommended (Avon, for example). Of course, you have to remember that Peta has a singular purpose, and they might recommend a company, based on their criteria, which you would rather avoid for some other reason. But their shopping guide is a great resource, and there are lots of links to leather substitute items as well. For now, I have had to settle for the healthiest non-veg*n animal food I can find, and know that some time in the near future I will be able to make a change in that arena. Like everyone keeps saying, it is definitely a journey!! Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:33 PM RE: pet food Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones that we should be using? Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I have the Caring Consumers shopping guide from 2004 that PETA puts out. I too had a problem finding any of them at pet stores, even the more popular ones. I have been able to find PetGuard (800-874-3221) at a local coop. Another brand that has come up a lot on another discussion group that I'm on is Evolution Diet (800-659-0104), which is entirely vegan. Of course, these and all of the ones listed on peta's website can be mail ordered which I'm sure gets pricey with the S & H. Lisanne --- carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: > > Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones > that we should be using? > > Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: > I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they > listed were > available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. > But several can be > purchased online and the links are there. I don't > think Nutromax was > listed. > > > > Chessie > > > > > carol sobczak [cpsobczak] > Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM > > Re: pet food > > > > > I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats > and for my dog. I do > know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just > haven't checked it > yet. > > Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: > what about Nutromax?! > > Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: > oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone > recommend a new cat food? > thanks. > Lisa > > carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: > > That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my > kids. They'll love it. > My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the > store because they > know that Iams does animal testing. We are members > of PETA and they get > Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog > food and about KFC. I > am very proud that they are so compassionate. This > mothers day dh is > taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY > (even though he is a > consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to > see and love all the > animals. It is great to share this love and > understanding with my kids. > > quintmom wrote: > cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat > section in the > store > they say how gross it is. > > When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids > say, " Mommy look, it's > the > animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it > smells so badly there. > People look at us rather strangely when they hear > this but none have > ever > said anything to me about it - fortunately for them > since I'm not at all > > sure they would like my comment back to them. I > wouldn't be rude, but I > > would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal > graveyard as much as > possible > because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the > animals, etc... have died > and > the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. > > God's Peace, > Gayle > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website > at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > useful for families > go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion > list and is not > intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical > advice should be > obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health > professional. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I used to sell Avon years ago and they made all their product research public so that other companies wouldn't feel the need to use animal testing. I thought that was a great thing to do in such a competitive industry. Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com Chessie [vegetariyum] March 23, 2005 11:43 AM RE: pet food Carol, I can't remember exactly. If you go to www.peta.org <http://www.peta.org/> , click on cruelty-free living and you can find some great info there, including animal food manufacturers who still engage in animal testing, and long lists of veg*n and non-veg*n products. I was really surprised by some of the info I found - companies I would never consider buying from actually were recommended (Avon, for example). Of course, you have to remember that Peta has a singular purpose, and they might recommend a company, based on their criteria, which you would rather avoid for some other reason. But their shopping guide is a great resource, and there are lots of links to leather substitute items as well. For now, I have had to settle for the healthiest non-veg*n animal food I can find, and know that some time in the near future I will be able to make a change in that arena. Like everyone keeps saying, it is definitely a journey!! Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:33 PM RE: pet food Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones that we should be using? Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart <vonnie_hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin <wallylarkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I was really surprised to See Boca Burger as their number 1 company of the year - when it is owned by KRAFT! AKA Philip Moris big tobacco - they did send me an e-mail explaining their decision, but I now Boycott Boca because of this - which is too bads because they do have the best burgers out there! Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: Carol, I can't remember exactly. If you go to www.peta.org , click on cruelty-free living and you can find some great info there, including animal food manufacturers who still engage in animal testing, and long lists of veg*n and non-veg*n products. I was really surprised by some of the info I found - companies I would never consider buying from actually were recommended (Avon, for example). Of course, you have to remember that Peta has a singular purpose, and they might recommend a company, based on their criteria, which you would rather avoid for some other reason. But their shopping guide is a great resource, and there are lots of links to leather substitute items as well. For now, I have had to settle for the healthiest non-veg*n animal food I can find, and know that some time in the near future I will be able to make a change in that arena. Like everyone keeps saying, it is definitely a journey!! Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:33 PM RE: pet food Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones that we should be using? Chessie wrote: I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 In a message dated 3/24/2005 6:09:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, lniedel writes: Boycott Boca because of this - which is too bads because they do have the best burgers out there!> I agree...therefore I won't boycott their effort at vegetarian foods. The only thing that will hurt is the vegetarian industry and availability of products. :-) ~~Jacqueline~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Yeah, that's what I meant about PETA. They do great work, and it is their singular focus which enables them to have such an impact, but for me there are other issues at stake as well. Sometimes it is really hard to make a decision which satisfies all your concerns, especially if you live where your choices are limited. Lauren Niedel [lniedel] Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:36 PM RE: pet food I was really surprised to See Boca Burger as their number 1 company of the year - when it is owned by KRAFT! AKA Philip Moris big tobacco - they did send me an e-mail explaining their decision, but I now Boycott Boca because of this - which is too bads because they do have the best burgers out there! Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: Carol, I can't remember exactly. If you go to www.peta.org , click on cruelty-free living and you can find some great info there, including animal food manufacturers who still engage in animal testing, and long lists of veg*n and non-veg*n products. I was really surprised by some of the info I found - companies I would never consider buying from actually were recommended (Avon, for example). Of course, you have to remember that Peta has a singular purpose, and they might recommend a company, based on their criteria, which you would rather avoid for some other reason. But their shopping guide is a great resource, and there are lots of links to leather substitute items as well. For now, I have had to settle for the healthiest non-veg*n animal food I can find, and know that some time in the near future I will be able to make a change in that arena. Like everyone keeps saying, it is definitely a journey!! Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:33 PM RE: pet food Does the site list the ones that are bad or the ones that we should be using? Chessie wrote: I did check Peta's list and none of the brands they listed were available in my area, nor had I ever heard of them. But several can be purchased online and the links are there. I don't think Nutromax was listed. Chessie carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:21 AM Re: pet food I don't know. I use nutromax for both of my cats and for my dog. I do know that PETA has a list on thier website. I just haven't checked it yet. Vaughndelee Hart wrote: what about Nutromax?! Lisa Wallace Larkin wrote: oh my. I had not idea about Iams. Can anyone recommend a new cat food? thanks. Lisa carol sobczak wrote: That is great. I'll have to tell that one to my kids. They'll love it. My kids can't even pass by the Iams dog food in the store because they know that Iams does animal testing. We are members of PETA and they get Grrrr magazine. They make comments about the dog food and about KFC. I am very proud that they are so compassionate. This mothers day dh is taking us to the Farm Sanctuary in Watkins Glen, NY (even though he is a consumate flesh eater). My kids are so excited to see and love all the animals. It is great to share this love and understanding with my kids. quintmom wrote: cpsobczak wrote: Whenever we pass the meat section in the store they say how gross it is. When we pass the meat section in a store, my kids say, " Mommy look, it's the animal graveyard. " They also comment on how it smells so badly there. People look at us rather strangely when they hear this but none have ever said anything to me about it - fortunately for them since I'm not at all sure they would like my comment back to them. I wouldn't be rude, but I would be graphic. We try to avoid the animal graveyard as much as possible because it makes my kids (and me) sad that the animals, etc... have died and the smell of decaying flesh is pretty repulsive. God's Peace, Gayle For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 That was exactly what I was going to write! I figure that they won't get that people are boycotting them because they are Phillips Morris, they will just think that the veggie line doesn't sell well. Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com TeaLovingWriter [TeaLovingWriter] March 24, 2005 10:25 AM Re: pet food In a message dated 3/24/2005 6:09:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, lniedel writes: Boycott Boca because of this - which is too bads because they do have the best burgers out there!> I agree...therefore I won't boycott their effort at vegetarian foods. The only thing that will hurt is the vegetarian industry and availability of products. :-) ~~Jacqueline~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Is this the list where we were talking about pet food? I think it is so I will tell you all what I found out so far. Nutro does do feeding studies on animals. They collect urine, fecal and blood samples. I just sent another query about whether they use animals that live in homes or caged laboratory animals. As soon as I get a rply I'll post it. I fear that I will be changing dog and cat food. Carol, mom to Melissa, 3/14/94 Julia, 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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