Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 im having a debate with some meat eaters about the colonoscopy. im no expert, but from what little ive read and learned, the colonoscopy is when they flush your colon with liquid and then vaccuum it out, to remove the peices of meat that fuse to the inner lining of your colon and become rancid. im not sure how the meat sticks; nor am i sure it is just meat, bt from whative heard, unless your system is messed up, a vegetarian will most likely never need a colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting meat. can someone elaborate/ show me where im wrong/ prove me right/ make fun of me extensively on this? ty -k- Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 for clarification...A colonoscopy is a procedure for viewing the interior lining of the large intestine (colon) using a small camera called a colonoscope (which is a flexible fiber-optic tube).and the flushing and vaccuuming is called colon flushing itself.so when you say colonoscopy it is only the viewing..your right we vegetarian are not used to have this kind of procedure it is because are diet is more on high fiber in which it is easy to digest while those who eat meat should have to undergo this procedure for a cleansing..but remember it is not necessarily that if your a vegetarian you are not prone to this steaky object in your colon remember we used to eat also some fry food and other solid food..we are just list to have it. here are my suggested way in colon cleansing for one wk. you should not eat anything except for drinking apple juice then on your 7 day drink 1 or 2 tsp. of olive oil and then after a while you'll see the effect it is not only a cleansing but it use to help you remove gall stone.. another one is try to have a liquid diet by eating only fruits for 1 to 2 wks.. hope it helps you Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 > from whative heard, unless your system is messed up, a > vegetarian will most likely never need a > colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting > meat. I don't think that is it at all. I am pretty sure that a colonoscopy is where the doctor examines one's colon for signs of cancer, removing polyps if they are found. I did some internet digging and this is what I found: 'Colonoscopy ... lets the physician look inside your entire large intestine, from the lowest part, the rectum, all the way up through the colon to the lower end of the small intestine. The procedure is used to look for early signs of cancer in the colon and rectum. It is also used to diagnose the causes of unexplained changes in bowel habits. Colonoscopy enables the physician to see inflamed tissue, abnormal growths, ulcers, and bleeding.' I did find that vegetarians may be at a lesser risk for colon cancer: 'Genetics seems to play the biggest role in the development of those polyps which eventually turn to cancer. Diet may have a contributing role since colon cancer is infrequent in countries with low meat intake and in Seventh Day Adventists in our Western culture who eat a vegetarian diet. A lifetime diet low in fat and high in fiber may also decrease the risk of colon cancer development.' I haven't found any evidence that vegetarians should not have colonoscopies and I have found a few stories of vegetarians whose colonoscopies found cancer. 'As a non-smoking vegetarian with no history of colorectal cancer in her family, 53-year-old Betty Stewart of San Francisco was surprised to find herself staring at a grim-faced doctor after her colonoscopy examination. ' " He told me the bad news first, " Stewart says. " He said I had rectal cancer. " ' 'I was diagnosed with stage III colon cancer at the youngish age of 37, while I was 21 weeks pregnant with our second child. I had been an ovo-lacto vegetarian for 10 years prior to that and in excellent physical shape.' Lee-Gwen http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/diagtest/colo.htm http://www.gidoctors.com/ColonScreen/ColonScreen.htm http://www.vigormagazine.com/lib/Med/Med-Colon.txt.htm http://www.ccalliance.org/connect/stories/survivors/beth.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2003 Report Share Posted January 20, 2003 > ...pardon my apathy when excerpts of nicotine suckers > are used to elaborate points on cancer. Um, I might do except that there wasn't an excerpt from a smoker's history used. The only use of the word " smoker " was in conjunction with " non " . > but thats just me, and i respect your opinion.. Which " opinion " ? The only opinion I proffered was that vegetarians should still have colonoscopies done. I said nothing about smokers at all. > what you say outside of that is interesting.. i make no > claims to be a physician, and am only spurred on to > learn more, by you:) Well, that is all to the good. Lee-Gwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 ....pardon my apathy when excerpts of nicotine suckers are used to elaborate points on cancer. while i recognize fully that it is trained behavior, the idea of using it in a dietary concept or as part of factuality pertaining to the holistic vision of the body as a compleat system.. is gross, to me. but thats just me, and i respect your opinion.. what you say outside of that is interesting.. i make no claims to be a physician, and am only spurred on to learn more, by you:) --- Lady Sappho <ladysappho wrote: > > from whative heard, unless your system is messed > up, a > > vegetarian will most likely never need a > > colonoscopy.... because its all about not > digesting > > meat. > > I don't think that is it at all. I am pretty sure > that a colonoscopy is > where the doctor examines one's colon for signs of > cancer, removing polyps > if they are found. > > I did some internet digging and this is what I > found: > > 'Colonoscopy ... lets the physician look inside your > entire large intestine, > from the lowest part, the rectum, all the way up > through the colon to the > lower end of the small intestine. The procedure is > used to look for early > signs of cancer in the colon and rectum. It is also > used to diagnose the > causes of unexplained changes in bowel habits. > Colonoscopy enables the > physician to see inflamed tissue, abnormal growths, > ulcers, and bleeding.' > > I did find that vegetarians may be at a lesser risk > for colon cancer: > > 'Genetics seems to play the biggest role in the > development of those polyps > which eventually turn to cancer. Diet may have a > contributing role since > colon cancer is infrequent in countries with low > meat intake and in Seventh > Day Adventists in our Western culture who eat a > vegetarian diet. A lifetime > diet low in fat and high in fiber may also decrease > the risk of colon cancer > development.' > > I haven't found any evidence that vegetarians should > not have colonoscopies > and I have found a few stories of vegetarians whose > colonoscopies found > cancer. > > 'As a non-smoking vegetarian with no history of > colorectal cancer in her > family, 53-year-old Betty Stewart of San Francisco > was surprised to find > herself staring at a grim-faced doctor after her > colonoscopy examination. > > ' " He told me the bad news first, " Stewart says. " He > said I had rectal > cancer. " ' > > 'I was diagnosed with stage III colon cancer at the > youngish age of 37, > while I was 21 weeks pregnant with our second child. > I had been an ovo-lacto > vegetarian for 10 years prior to that and in > excellent physical shape.' > > Lee-Gwen > > http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/digest/pubs/diagtest/colo.htm > http://www.gidoctors.com/ColonScreen/ColonScreen.htm > http://www.vigormagazine.com/lib/Med/Med-Colon.txt.htm > http://www.ccalliance.org/connect/stories/survivors/beth.html > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:32:12 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >im having a debate with some meat eaters about the >colonoscopy. im no expert, but from what little ive >read and learned, the colonoscopy is when they flush >your colon with liquid and then vaccuum it out, to >remove the peices of meat that fuse to the inner >lining of your colon and become rancid. im not sure >how the meat sticks; nor am i sure it is just meat, bt >from whative heard, unless your system is messed up, a >vegetarian will most likely never need a >colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting >meat. > > >can someone elaborate/ show me where im wrong/ prove >me right/ make fun of me extensively on this? > 'Colonoscopy' means they just go look for diagnostic purposes - there's no flushing out or anything whatsoever like that. They stick a tube and small camera in to look (sorry to be so descriptive). This is recommended every five years for people over 50 (or over 55, I forget) to catch bowel cancer early, if it exists. And not just for meat eaters, but for everyone. I had one last winter, so in this case I *know* I'm correct. I had it in the hospital, I went to the hospital in the morning and was out in the afternoon, about three hours later. I had 'conscious sedation' which is not the same as general anesthesia, but you remember nothing of what happened. In other words, you *aren't* really 'conscious' - it's a poor choice of name for it, actually. Some people don't have the 'conscious sedation' but I wanted it. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 My dad died suddenly two years ago from various cancers including colon cancer. After he passed away, I received my first " flexible sigmoidoscope " exam. It was not a happy event, and immediately afterwards the doctor commented that my lower intestines were the " cleanest and pinkest " he had ever seen. He asked me a number of questions about my lifestyle to find out why. When I said I have been veggie for 20 years, he stopped. " Hmmm, I'll have to look into that, " he said. Dave keith graves [sleepingtao] Monday, January 20, 2003 8:32 PM on a related note... im having a debate with some meat eaters about the colonoscopy. im no expert, but from what little ive read and learned, the colonoscopy is when they flush your colon with liquid and then vaccuum it out, to remove the peices of meat that fuse to the inner lining of your colon and become rancid. im not sure how the meat sticks; nor am i sure it is just meat, bt from whative heard, unless your system is messed up, a vegetarian will most likely never need a colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting meat. can someone elaborate/ show me where im wrong/ prove me right/ make fun of me extensively on this? ty -k- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Wow, def. something ta think about. Thomas's mother passed away from colon cancer as well. They somewhat suggested that her vast amount of beef/meat intake may have been the culprit, or at least that such is highly correlated with colon cancer. Growing up she was extremely poor, thus in adulthood when such 'luxuries' of life were available, she heavily imbibed. I feel fortunate that today we have more detailed info concerning nutrition than during the fifties and that maybe it isn't as misinformed. karen theferalvegerrian@om, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > My dad died suddenly two years ago from various cancers including colon > cancer. After he passed away, I received my first " flexible sigmoidoscope " > exam. It was not a happy event, and immediately afterwards the doctor > commented that my lower intestines were the " cleanest and pinkest " he had > ever seen. He asked me a number of questions about my lifestyle to find out > why. When I said I have been veggie for 20 years, he stopped. " Hmmm, I'll > have to look into that, " he said. > > Dave > > > > > keith graves [sleepingtao] > Monday, January 20, 2003 8:32 PM > > on a related note... > > im having a debate with some meat eaters about the > colonoscopy. im no expert, but from what little ive > read and learned, the colonoscopy is when they flush > your colon with liquid and then vaccuum it out, to > remove the peices of meat that fuse to the inner > lining of your colon and become rancid. im not sure > how the meat sticks; nor am i sure it is just meat, bt > from whative heard, unless your system is messed up, a vegetarian will most > likely never need a colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting > meat. > > can someone elaborate/ show me where im wrong/ prove > me right/ make fun of me extensively on this? > > ty > > -k- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 It is amazing how many doctors are out there giving us advice who have no clue about diet. You'd think, logically speaking, that knowing more about the effects of diet would be of great concern to them. ~ Feral ~ With enough 'ifs' we could put Paris in a bottle. ~French saying ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: He asked me a number of questions about my lifestyle to find out > why. When I said I have been veggie for 20 years, he stopped. " Hmmm, I'll > have to look into that, " he said. > > Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Feral, so true! And this single situation is probably the most important reason why a veggie group ought to have the courage to sort thru all the diet nonsense that's out there confusing us and indirectly affecting our health. To paraphrase a recent quote, " It's not what you don't know that's the problem. It's what you know that just ain't so! " Dave Feral <terebinthus [terebinthus] Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:04 AM Re: on a related note... It is amazing how many doctors are out there giving us advice who have no clue about diet. You'd think, logically speaking, that knowing more about the effects of diet would be of great concern to them. ~ Feral ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 ty for the info, it was very informative: can anyone elaborate to me what the process is where they use the flushing and vaccuuming? i must have gotten a mislabel; i read about it in magazine and they mentioned colonoscopy (perhaps they did that before the flush) but the thing that caught me most was the doctor specifically mentioning that this process was for people who ate a lot of meat... if you ate rice and veg you would mostly never need it, but meat and rice and you would (it was in an asian culture, but american magazine) ty for any info that can help me make fun of my meat eating friends who think i must be in some way effeminate because i dont eat people. --- Pat Meadows <pat wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:32:12 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > >im having a debate with some meat eaters about the > >colonoscopy. im no expert, but from what little ive > >read and learned, the colonoscopy is when they > flush > >your colon with liquid and then vaccuum it out, to > >remove the peices of meat that fuse to the inner > >lining of your colon and become rancid. im not sure > >how the meat sticks; nor am i sure it is just meat, > bt > >from whative heard, unless your system is messed > up, a > >vegetarian will most likely never need a > >colonoscopy.... because its all about not digesting > >meat. > > > > > >can someone elaborate/ show me where im wrong/ > prove > >me right/ make fun of me extensively on this? > > > > 'Colonoscopy' means they just go look for diagnostic > purposes - there's no flushing out or anything > whatsoever > like that. They stick a tube and small camera in to > look > (sorry to be so descriptive). This is recommended > every > five years for people over 50 (or over 55, I forget) > to > catch bowel cancer early, if it exists. And not > just for > meat eaters, but for everyone. > > I had one last winter, so in this case I *know* I'm > correct. > > I had it in the hospital, I went to the hospital in > the > morning and was out in the afternoon, about three > hours > later. > > I had 'conscious sedation' which is not the same as > general > anesthesia, but you remember nothing of what > happened. In > other words, you *aren't* really 'conscious' - it's > a poor > choice of name for it, actually. Some people don't > have > the 'conscious sedation' but I wanted it. > > Pat > -- > Pat Meadows > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:04:03 -0000, you wrote: >It is amazing how many doctors are out there giving us advice who have no >clue about diet. You'd think, logically speaking, that knowing more about the >effects of diet would be of great concern to them. I believe many doctors are 'brainwashed' by the propaganda of the drug companies: " Whatever is wrong, there's a magic bullet to fix it " ..... You can blame the profit motive, largely. There's not much profit in basic natural foods, compared to drugs. Not many studies done, samples not distributed to doctors, etc. I have seen a gradual improvement in doctors (in general) over the years. They are beginning - slowly slowly - to catch on. A good example of this is the cardiologist who recommended that my husband eat flax seeds (or take flax seed oil). Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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