Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 " Dancer says: If I wanted bitching I would go visit my mother-in-law " That is hilarious! I don't have a mother-in-law anymore, whew! I agree though, Be happy, don't worry, have fun. Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly......... so lighten up people, and start sending in those great recipes you have stored! Love & Light, Kendra PS you will be missed Dancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 Even though I just signed up for your new list, I wanted to say that I think it's a darn shame that you are all letting this get to you. We all own delete keys, and we can ignore those that we don't care to hear from. This is a mighty fine veggie recipe list and I think you're letting certain troublemakers win by staging a grand exit. Besides, I noticed that your (Dancer) new list is open and anyone can join. You can bet your booties those same tb's will show up sooner or later there too. I don't believe in running away. I believe in the delete key. Cher PS... people with a propensity to post OT posts that are not relevant or welcomed can be banned from email lists...anybody thought of that? After all, this is a list of vegetarians so we hardly need to be converted again do we? And where is the moderator of this list anyway???? --- Dancer^ <coolcook wrote: > Hello > > I have been sitting back and watching the the list > for the last week. > I'm sick and tired of all the arguing, I'm on here > to learm about > vegetarian-vegan cooking, to make a few friends and > have some fun. > > I respect your views, I really to...but this is not > the forum for it. > If my tone affends you..get over it..I can be a very > nice person. But list > is turning me into an angry one. > > Preston I agree with you, It has pissed me off. > The owner of this list is missing, no where to be > found. or just sitting > back > and enjoying the fighting. Well I have had it. > If I wanted bitching I would go visit my > mother-in-law. > > So as of Saturday morning I am leaving this list. > I have started a new list. I would like it very > much if most of you would > join me. > If your coming for recipes and good chatter about > the way you cook great. > Or you want advise about cooking I'm sure the people > that join will help > you. > I will do my best to answer questions... > But if your coming to bitch..you won't be on the > list very long. > Thats my 2 cents. here is the addy > quickv-vrecipes- > Take care everyone > Dancer^ > > > ===== The Eactivists http://www.eactivist.50megs.com eactivists " Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony. " --Mahatma Gandhi " The power of one is to do something...anything. " --Unknown Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 > by staging a grand exit. Besides, I noticed that your > (Dancer) new list is open and anyone can join. You > can bet your booties those same tb's will show up > sooner or later there too. I don't believe in running Ever heard of that saying " I've seen the enemy and they are us " or however it goes? Well, I think that applies here. In my mind the " trouble-maker " isn't just the person that initially sent the vomit-inducing post, but the people that defended it after the fact. I've posted numerous times begging that this list stay on topic and that we not devolve into these philophical pissing contests over who is more compassionate and animal loving and people have refused to do so thus far. Preston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Thanks for keeping us on task Preston, the world needs people like you! Where are those great recipes you are hiding dear? Kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 I'm, unfortunatley, just a user, not producer, of recipes. I'm not good enough at this yet to really recommend anything. Most of the stuff I cook comes out of a couple cookbooks and Vegetarian Times. Preston > > Kendra Blythe [bluenote777] > Friday, August 03, 2001 7:36 AM > > Re: way off topic > > > Thanks for keeping us on task Preston, the world needs people like you! > Where are those great recipes you are hiding dear? Kendra > > > contact owner: -owner > Mail list: > Delivered-mailing list > List-Un: - > > no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed > contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list > or anything else. Thank you. > please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2001 Report Share Posted August 3, 2001 Vegetarian Times (or was it Veggie Life?) had some seriously good recipes in it this past month. I don't know if you get it, but the Summer issue of Animal Times, from Peta had some GREAT recipes in there too!!! YUM! , " Preston Crawford " <prestonc@c...> wrote: > I'm, unfortunatley, just a user, not producer, of recipes. I'm not good > enough at this yet to really recommend anything. Most of the stuff I cook > comes out of a couple cookbooks and Vegetarian Times. > > Preston > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 In a message dated 01/24/2003 1:34:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ladysappho writes: > . She is putting her life and the life of her, Godwilling, newborn > in danger as far as I can see. > I'd have to agree. I am fully aware that women give birth and doctors and nurses are just there. With my third child I was going to have him naturally in the hospital (I had high risk pregnancies but not had any complications.) I was 8 and 80 and the doctor went to check. Baby was sucking on her fingers. Then while coming down he twisted and got his shoulder got stuck. No amount of effort would free him. I was rushed to the OR with my back side up in the air, my head below and the doctors fingers well, the baby was sucking on them. Doc was making sure the cord didn't slip down. If I had not been in the hospital I'd hate to think what could have happened. I think people should have control over their bodies but I would never risk my children's best interest for the sake of wanting to do it my way. I think your friend should at least go to a birth center where a team of medical providers could at least intervene should the need arise. Otherwise they can leave her alone to do her thing. IMHO Robin in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby is breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have been to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. She will be having an unassisted breech birth! Wow, it's amazing what we will do to preserve or rights and freedoms. She wants zero control, this is her body and baby. How wonderful it is to live in a country where we are free to make our own decisions about this. Unfortunately...If a doctor were to hear of her plans, he would have CPS banging down her door. So sad. Did I mention she's a vegan?? Then I guess it's not too off topic, huh? Warmly, Allison Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:38:43 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby is >breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have been >to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. She >will be having an unassisted breech birth! Wow, it's >amazing what we will do to preserve or rights and >freedoms. She wants zero control, this is her body >and baby. >How wonderful it is to live in a country where we are >free to make our own decisions about this. Won't be so wonderful if she produces a brain-injured child or a dead one because of her insistence on an untended birth. If in the first case, society will likely have to support the child. >Unfortunately...If a doctor were to hear of her plans, >he would have CPS banging down her door. So sad. Well, duh..... Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Like all the brain injured, hospital born children? Forceps are a bitch. --- Pat Meadows <pat wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:38:43 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > >A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby is > >breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have > been > >to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. > She > >will be having an unassisted breech birth! Wow, > it's > >amazing what we will do to preserve or rights and > >freedoms. She wants zero control, this is her body > >and baby. > > > >How wonderful it is to live in a country where we > are > >free to make our own decisions about this. > > Won't be so wonderful if she produces a > brain-injured child > or a dead one because of her insistence on an > untended > birth. > > If in the first case, society will likely have to > support > the child. > > >Unfortunately...If a doctor were to hear of her > plans, > >he would have CPS banging down her door. So sad. > > Well, duh..... > > Pat > > -- > Pat Meadows > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 i agree, thats completely irresponsible, in my opinion. The dangers outweigh the benefits; there's absolutely no reason to have an unassisted birth, except perhaps as party favour talk... of course, she'll probably get a lot more attention if the baby dies and the authorities find out she knew ahead of time and didnt take the precautions that were offered. Best of luck, and hopefully nothing wrong will happen.., everyone will live happily ever after,etc etc:) it does of course, affect vegans, because if things go bad, no doubt it will be one more media slice used to portray us as wackos and fanatics. --- Pat Meadows <pat wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:38:43 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > > >A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby is > >breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have > been > >to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. > She > >will be having an unassisted breech birth! Wow, > it's > >amazing what we will do to preserve or rights and > >freedoms. She wants zero control, this is her body > >and baby. > > > >How wonderful it is to live in a country where we > are > >free to make our own decisions about this. > > Won't be so wonderful if she produces a > brain-injured child > or a dead one because of her insistence on an > untended > birth. > > If in the first case, society will likely have to > support > the child. > > >Unfortunately...If a doctor were to hear of her > plans, > >he would have CPS banging down her door. So sad. > > Well, duh..... > > Pat > > -- > Pat Meadows > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 How very intersting. SO, you feel that the Government needs to stay away from our lives and yet you feel the need for it to make rules about where we birth our babies? I'm intrigued. But anyway, statistically speaking...The odds are in her favor. And I wouldn't call her a fanatic or a wacko. Until you've walked a mile in one's shoes.... People thought I was radical for having my baby at home in my bathtub. I'm thinking: Is there any other way??? This is her fourth child. I think she can handle it. Her third birth was aired on TLC's " A Baby Story " One of the few homebirths. It was a big baby. She did have shoulder dystocia...Which wouldn't be anything to worry about with a breech. As I said...Let freedom reign. Or should it be, let freedom reign...On our terms. Our bodies, our choice...Right? Warmly, Allison --- keith graves <sleepingtao wrote: > i agree, thats completely irresponsible, in my > opinion. The dangers outweigh the benefits; there's > absolutely no reason to have an unassisted birth, > except perhaps as party favour talk... of course, > she'll probably get a lot more attention if the baby > dies and the authorities find out she knew ahead of > time and didnt take the precautions that were > offered. > Best of luck, and hopefully nothing wrong will > happen.., everyone will live happily ever after,etc > etc:) > > it does of course, affect vegans, because if things > go > bad, no doubt it will be one more media slice used > to > portray us as wackos and fanatics. > > --- Pat Meadows <pat wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:38:43 -0800 (PST), you > wrote: > > > > >A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby > is > > >breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have > > been > > >to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. > > > She > > >will be having an unassisted breech birth! Wow, > > it's > > >amazing what we will do to preserve or rights and > > >freedoms. She wants zero control, this is her > body > > >and baby. > > > > > > >How wonderful it is to live in a country where we > > are > > >free to make our own decisions about this. > > > > Won't be so wonderful if she produces a > > brain-injured child > > or a dead one because of her insistence on an > > untended > > birth. > > > > If in the first case, society will likely have to > > support > > the child. > > > > >Unfortunately...If a doctor were to hear of her > > plans, > > >he would have CPS banging down her door. So sad. > > > > Well, duh..... > > > > Pat > > > > -- > > Pat Meadows > > > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 - Allison Nations > A friend of mine is due in two weeks. Her baby is > breech (no big deal). Her plans all along have been > to birth unassisted...She still plans to do that. She > will be having an unassisted breech birth! Um, oh my gosh, the woman is mad! I can think of no good reason to _want_ to have an unassisted birth! Yes, there may be problems with the mediatisation of birth, but, heck, that doesn't mean one can't have anyone assisting. I would be incredibly tempted to actively tell someone in authority. She is putting her life and the life of her, Godwilling, newborn in danger as far as I can see. Lee-Gwen (who had half the state, or so it seemed, in her labour ward and didn't have a problem with that. The only shame was that my mother missed the actual birth.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 > mediatisation of birth, Darn my spell checker - that should have been " medicalisation " . Serves me right for not reading what it tells me more closely. Lee-Gwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Hmm, I guess i must state that I am NOT an american, and I don't have that 'freedom is the freedom to do whatever the hell i want and screw who doesn't like it' attitude... freedom is not freedom from responsibility, but the freedom to live a life that explores its growth and possibilities to to the fullest. Thats real freedom. And if people get together and say; hey, look, you may kill your (fully formed) kid for no good reason than your staunch denial that you are a member of society or that you have some paranoid notion that you are putting the child in more harm by having an assisted birth, guess what, I'm all for a court ordered midwife. Because that's not a 'lack of freedom' it's a 'responsibility'. She is responsible for the safe birth of her child as much as she can assure it. NOw, if she believes that will be accomplished by an unassisted (and the impression i got from your post was completely unassisted, except maybe hubby or partner) she is very very very wrong on that. Tha being said, I think a good midwife is by far better than a snotty doctor. There's nothing wrong with government, if done properly; even an anarchist utopia has organizations and value systems. Personally, I don't think I ever said the government needs to stay away from our lives; I feel we need to take control of the government, then reduce the fat and turn it's power towards helping society, not corporate oligarchies and feudal capitalist warlords. Then eventually we can work towards more and more self autonomy, and less and less government, becaue we will be governing ourselves; thats the key and goal, for me at least. And YOU might not call her a wacko- I might not either- I find the idea of a homebirth extremely natural and beautiful- when attended at least by a midwife. But any rag that gets word that she calls herself a vegan, after her baby suffocates to death and she gets locked up, is gonna splash it all over the news, just like the Cod liver oil couple that wrecked their kid in NY and told everyone they were vegan (cod-liver? vegan?....sigh) and it was all over the news... and that hurts everyone who knows this is a good idea by making the divide between those who know what its really about and who have no clue other than to think we're all 40-something, baby blue robe-wearing, neohippy ex housewives that put divine crystals in our long blonde hair and drink draino and alfalfa juice for our daily flushing while we sacrifice babies with enya cranked in the background. --- Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: > How very intersting. SO, you feel that the > Government > needs to stay away from our lives and yet you feel > the > need for it to make rules about where we birth our > babies? I'm intrigued. > But anyway, statistically speaking...The odds are in > her favor. > And I wouldn't call her a fanatic or a wacko. Until > you've walked a mile in one's shoes.... > People thought I was radical for having my baby at > home in my bathtub. I'm thinking: Is there any > other > way??? > This is her fourth child. I think she can handle > it. > Her third birth was aired on TLC's " A Baby Story " > One > of the few homebirths. It was a big baby. She did > have shoulder dystocia...Which wouldn't be anything > to > worry about with a breech. > As I said...Let freedom reign. Or should it be, let > freedom reign...On our terms. Our bodies, our > choice...Right? > Warmly, > Allison > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 to note... an apology before anyone gets offended; i didnt mean to state that all americans have such an irresponsible attitude towards freedoms, when i reread after posting, it looked very much like that. 'damn, that narcissistic little bugger even reads the emails he sends to the group himself' lol --- keith graves <sleepingtao wrote: > Hmm, > I guess i must state that I am NOT an american, and > I > don't have that 'freedom is the freedom to do > whatever > the hell i want and screw who doesn't like it' > attitude... > > freedom is not freedom from responsibility, but the > freedom to live a life that explores its growth and > possibilities to to the fullest. Thats real freedom. > > > And if people get together and say; hey, look, you > may > kill your (fully formed) kid for no good reason than > your staunch denial that you are a member of society > or that you have some paranoid notion that you are > putting the child in more harm by having an assisted > birth, guess what, I'm all for a court ordered > midwife. Because that's not a 'lack of freedom' it's > a > 'responsibility'. She is responsible for the safe > birth of her child as much as she can assure it. > NOw, > if she believes that will be accomplished by an > unassisted (and the impression i got from your post > was completely unassisted, except maybe hubby or > partner) she is very very very wrong on that. Tha > being said, I think a good midwife is by far better > than a snotty doctor. > > There's nothing wrong with government, if done > properly; even an anarchist utopia has organizations > and value systems. Personally, I don't think I ever > said the government needs to stay away from our > lives; > I feel we need to take control of the government, > then > reduce the fat and turn it's power towards helping > society, not corporate oligarchies and feudal > capitalist warlords. Then eventually we can work > towards more and more self autonomy, and less and > less > government, becaue we will be governing ourselves; > thats the key and goal, for me at least. > > And YOU might not call her a wacko- I might not > either- I find the idea of a homebirth extremely > natural and beautiful- when attended at least by a > midwife. > > But any rag that gets word that she calls herself a > vegan, after her baby suffocates to death and she > gets > locked up, is gonna splash it all over the news, > just > like the Cod liver oil couple that wrecked their kid > in NY and told everyone they were vegan (cod-liver? > vegan?....sigh) and it was all over the news... and > that hurts everyone who knows this is a good idea by > making the divide between those who know what its > really about and who have no clue other than to > think > we're all 40-something, baby blue robe-wearing, > neohippy ex housewives that put divine crystals in > our > long blonde hair and drink draino and alfalfa juice > for our daily flushing while we sacrifice babies > with > enya cranked in the background. > > > --- Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: > > How very intersting. SO, you feel that the > > Government > > needs to stay away from our lives and yet you feel > > the > > need for it to make rules about where we birth our > > babies? I'm intrigued. > > But anyway, statistically speaking...The odds are > in > > her favor. > > And I wouldn't call her a fanatic or a wacko. > Until > > you've walked a mile in one's shoes.... > > People thought I was radical for having my baby at > > home in my bathtub. I'm thinking: Is there any > > other > > way??? > > This is her fourth child. I think she can handle > > it. > > Her third birth was aired on TLC's " A Baby Story " > > One > > of the few homebirths. It was a big baby. She > did > > have shoulder dystocia...Which wouldn't be > anything > > to > > worry about with a breech. > > As I said...Let freedom reign. Or should it be, > let > > freedom reign...On our terms. Our bodies, our > > choice...Right? > > Warmly, > > Allison > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 But you're pro choice feminist? I really don't understand. Also remember that I am a student midwife and would never have a job if everyone decided to birth without a caregiver. I just feel that people have rights to birth where and with whom they choose...Period. There are many women whom have had horrible births, even with midwives. YOu will never, ever, ever understand what a woman goes through when she has had her childbirth experience twisted and ripped from her. I do, my first one was horrible. I weep to this day. I probably always will. A woman lost her baby one month after my daughter was born. She feels her caregiver handled the sitation poorly...It only fueled her desire for a completely unassisted birth. Hard for you to understand...And, as I said, you never will. Warmly, Allison It is ironic that the feminist movement has not aligned itself with the childbirth issue, especially since reproductive self-determinatin is otherwise a central tenet of feminist policy - Elizabeth Davis >> > And if people get together and say; hey, look, you > may > kill your (fully formed) kid for no good reason than > your staunch denial that you are a member of society > or that you have some paranoid notion that you are > putting the child in more harm by having an assisted > birth, guess what, I'm all for a court ordered > midwife. Because that's not a 'lack of freedom' it's > a > 'responsibility'. She is responsible for the safe > birth of her child as much as she can assure it. > NOw, Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 I am pro-choice, and I am pro-feminist... but I think what I am addressing is an issue underlaying both those things: what concerns me is a lack of responsibility to society and to her own child. I am all for midwives; in fact i think they are preferrable to doctors or hopsitals. The central tenet of what Im striking at is that if everything goes fine, fine, nothing will come of it. Everyone will be happy and life will go on. However, if just one thing goes wrong that could have been prevented with the presence of a midwife; all of society suffers, and mostly that child. At the very least, she should have assistance on call (you may have mentioned she did, i may have missed that) And, quite logically, there is absolutely no reason to not have a midwife there. NOne whatsoever. To an experienced birthgiver; she should have the knowledge to know she's mostly in control of the situation; the problems lies in the fact that if the situation does get out of control, and she is alone... But if the midwife is there, sitting in the other room, watching tv, while she has the birth in her own space and everything goes fine... no harm no foul. It's like car insurance. You say people should birth wherever they choose: should they birth on the bus, by choice? Should they birth in the middle of an auto factory? Or how about the middle of a pesticide riddled laboratory, by choice? Of course not, you will most likely say. The question therein lies... why? Because those situations are both ridiculous, unclean, and dangerous.. for one reason or another, we see them as ludacrous. The concept of what your friend is attempting to do, also falls into that ludicrous catergory (though not so extreme, consiidering her experience) because she is denying the possiblity of assistance in a situation proven to have a good chance of being very dangerous. Thats just my opinion; she doesnt need big strong men to come and save her from her hysterical self give her a good ol' birthin', but she does need to accept that finding positive help for her, jsut in case somethng bad does happen and it turns out it gets out of control- even if that help is YOU- is her responsibility, which is far more valuable than freedom, because it builds the foundations which let freedoms grow. --- Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: > But you're pro choice feminist? I really don't > understand. > Also remember that I am a student midwife and would > never have a job if everyone decided to birth > without > a caregiver. I just feel that people have rights to > birth where and with whom they choose...Period. > There are many women whom have had horrible births, > even with midwives. YOu will never, ever, ever > understand what a woman goes through when she has > had > her childbirth experience twisted and ripped from > her. > I do, my first one was horrible. I weep to this > day. > I probably always will. A woman lost her baby one > month after my daughter was born. She feels her > caregiver handled the sitation poorly...It only > fueled > her desire for a completely unassisted birth. Hard > for you to understand...And, as I said, you never > will. > > Warmly, > Allison > It is ironic that the feminist movement has not > aligned itself with the childbirth issue, especially > since reproductive self-determinatin is otherwise a > central tenet of feminist policy - > Elizabeth Davis > > > >> > > And if people get together and say; hey, look, you > > may > > kill your (fully formed) kid for no good reason > than > > your staunch denial that you are a member of > society > > or that you have some paranoid notion that you are > > putting the child in more harm by having an > assisted > > birth, guess what, I'm all for a court ordered > > midwife. Because that's not a 'lack of freedom' > it's > > a > > 'responsibility'. She is responsible for the safe > > birth of her child as much as she can assure it. > > NOw, > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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