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Well, in that case I can understand why you lump all

military and soldiers into the same repugnant pile.

 

Dodging balls is one thing, but dodging bombs? Yikes,

what a horrible part of your childhood. I'm sorry to

hear it.

 

Warmly,

Allison

 

> than honest if I didn't say right here and now that

> I spent part of my

> childhood dodging bombs and that it has probably

> warped me. Apologies

> for being such a pain the arse ;=)

>

 

 

 

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Allison Nations [allyanne2001]

 

>>[referring to Pat Sant's email] Dodging balls is one thing, but dodging

bombs? Yikes, what a horrible part of your childhood.<<

 

IMHO, this is where true pacifists are born--from a deeply moving experience

in the heart. At the same time, I don't mean to discount " the other Dave "

and his views of pacificism, but I haven't heard anything from him which

speaks of the personal conviction to indeed be a pacifist. Maybe that's

coming down the road.

 

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dave <dave4sale [dave4sale]

 

>>so basically you're saying that I cannot be a true pacifist until I

get shot at? damn.<<

 

Not exactly!

 

Here's what I actually wrote:

 

Method #1: " IMHO, this is where true pacifists are born--from a deeply

moving experience in the heart. "

 

A comment: " At the same time, I don't mean to discount " the other Dave " and

his views of pacificism, but "

 

Method #2: " I haven't heard anything from him which speaks of the personal

conviction to indeed be a pacifist. Maybe that's coming down the road. "

 

This is the part I applied to you, " ...[he] speaks of the personal

conviction.... " If being shot at is defined by that sentence, then so be

it? Speaking up is what matters to me.

 

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> so basically you're saying that I cannot be a true pacifist until I

> get shot at? damn.

>

Gee, there'd not be a lot of pacifists left, then, would there? unless

all non-pacifists were lousy shots, of course ;=)

 

Not been shot at myself, only had things dropped around me (and, come to

think of it, guns going off around me - but nothing personal of course),

and I dare say that doesn't mean much in itself. If that made for

pacifism then war would have ended a long time ago ;=) I just don't like

loud noises.

 

Anyway, I don't think I said that. Who I wonder did? ;=)

 

best,

pat sant

 

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> so basically you're saying that I cannot be a true pacifist until I

> get shot at? damn.

>

Gee, there'd not be a lot of pacifists left, then, would there? unless

all non-pacifists were lousy shots, of course ;=)

 

Not been shot at myself, only had things dropped around me (and, come to

think of it, guns going off around me - but nothing personal of course),

and I dare say that doesn't mean much in itself. If that made for

pacifism then war would have ended a long time ago ;=) I just don't like

loud noises.

 

Anyway, I don't think I said that. Who I wonder did? ;=)

 

best,

pat sant

 

--

SANTBROWN

townhounds/

Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/

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* " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man

will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer

* " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice

* " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy

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