Opinions please, and FOOD!

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In a message dated 1/28/2003 9:51:59 PM Central Standard Time,

goddessofgodless writes:

> mean, finding out that

> somebody i may be checking out enjoys meat is like some kind of turn

> off! i don't really know how i could date a meat-eater

> my odds really suck at this point. haven't even had a date in the

> whole seven months I've been single. so what do you guys think about

> this little quirk I've been having?

it is hard even in the girl-guy dept. My fiance tolerates my tofu, as I

tolerate his dead carcasses, but I found that you have you be attracted to

the soul of a person not what they necessarily eat.. There was this great

site. a guy wrote about being a meat eater and dating a vegan, I wish I could

find it you'd love it...

 

 

 

Anna

 

 

 

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well, i was wondering what you guys think on this... I live in a

small town area, so it's hard enough to meet another girl that likes

girls... but i am being weird or shallow to want to get into a

relationship with a fellow vegetarian? i mean, finding out that

somebody i may be checking out enjoys meat is like some kind of turn

off! i don't really know how i could date a meat-eater

my odds really suck at this point. haven't even had a date in the

whole seven months i've been single. so what do you guys think about

this little quirk i've been having? i mean, i already have enough to

worry about (as in not dating a drug addict or alcoholic cuz i have a

little two year old, and they have to get along with my daughter,

they need to have some GOALS in life, etc.)

 

also, i wanted to point out a food idea i've done on some nights for

my daughter and i, as a quick and easy vegetarian fixin'

 

**Not-so-Hamburgery Helper**

First I select a HamburgerHelper-ish boxed dealy from the store, but

you have to READ THE INGREDIENTS LIST CAREFULLY to be sure there

isn't any lard, beef powder, or other meat-derived ingrediants, as i

noticed some of them enjoy throwing in those substances.

Next, grab yourself some veggie meat substitute in the ground form.

My favorite is the Boca Burger ground from the freezer case. when

cooked up with your Helper mixture, it actually tastes VERY beefy,

almost in a scary way~!! not even a meat-eater would know the

difference.

now, you prepare the Helper as directed, obviously skipping over the

browning-the-meat step and so on. Just pour in the noodles and

seasoning with the directed water or milk, then do the boiling thing

it requests. while that goes on, i microwave my fake meat to unthaw

it somewhat (i just want it not frozen hard; cooking it took long in

the microwave, then in the skillet could be very bad, so just try and

get it warmish or cold and pliable.) it takes two little packets of

freezer Boca ground to make a hearty Helper.

Add your fake ground to the mixture for the final simmer process (the

one that needs to be covered with a lid for 5-11 minutes ussually)

and Voila! quick dinner in a single skillet!

 

While not being on the hugely healthy side, it's a satisfying dish to

cook quickly and enjoy with sides of greenbeans and/or potatoes with

maybe some biscuits. however, all you sodium sensitive peeps out

there look alive, cuz instant foods like the Helper are HIGH in

sodium!

 

Yay for not eating animals!

 

---Heather

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Welcome Heather. I don't think it is too much to ask when looking for

that

certain someone to share your life that they also enjoy the same food

and

ethical choices about animal rights as yourself. Stick to your guns.

(that

sounded more evil dictator than peacenikish eh?) *lol* Eventually you

will find

the right woman. It is not shallow to have standards.... but damn

hard at

times.

 

~ P_T ~

 

People who don't take risks generally make about two big mistakes a

year.Ê

People who do take risks generally make about two big mistakes a year.

~ Peter Drucker

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, " Heather <

goddessofgodless> " <goddessofgodless> wrote:

> well, i was wondering what you guys think on this... I live in a

> small town area, so it's hard enough to meet another girl that

likes

> girls... but i am being weird or shallow to want to get into a

> relationship with a fellow vegetarian? i mean, finding out that

> somebody i may be checking out enjoys meat is like some kind of

turn

> off! i don't really know how i could date a meat-eater

 

> Yay for not eating animals!

>

> ---Heather

[Guest guest]

I agree with Anna. It's not like choosing to date

someone who smokes cigarettes or is an alcoholic. Do

what you heart tells you to do. If you're absolutely

dead set against dating a meat eater, don't do it!

You don't want to resent him later. But remember that

there's a lot of them out there, far more than

veggies. My hubby eats meat and I love him more than

anything.

Warmly,

Allison

 

--- AnnaJames91 wrote:

> In a message dated 1/28/2003 9:51:59 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> goddessofgodless writes:

> > mean, finding out that

> > somebody i may be checking out enjoys meat is like

> some kind of turn

> > off! i don't really know how i could date a

> meat-eater

> > my odds really suck at this point. haven't even

> had a date in the

> > whole seven months I've been single. so what do

> you guys think about

> > this little quirk I've been having?

> it is hard even in the girl-guy dept. My fiance

> tolerates my tofu, as I

> tolerate his dead carcasses, but I found that you

> have you be attracted to

> the soul of a person not what they necessarily eat..

> There was this great

> site. a guy wrote about being a meat eater and

> dating a vegan, I wish I could

> find it you'd love it...

>

>

>

> Anna

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Heather <goddessofgodless wrote:

 

> well, i was wondering what you guys think on this... I live in a

> small town area, so it's hard enough to meet another girl that likes

> girls... but i am being weird or shallow to want to get into a

> relationship with a fellow vegetarian? i mean, finding out that

> somebody i may be checking out enjoys meat is like some kind of turn

> off! i don't really know how i could date a meat-eater

 

Nope. You wouldn't date someone who was racist, sexist, anti-gay, a

fundamentalist, violent, pro-war, into organised crime, alcoholic etc etc

so why would you date someone who is responsible for the deaths of many

animals if vegetarianism is so close to your heart?

 

Though of course people can change- most veg*ans grew up as meat eaters

and converted, who knows you might meet soemone & they may be perfect in

every other way except that & then they could change?

 

And I don't think it's a bad thing to hold out until you find someone

perfect- after all what's the point of having someone who is not perfect

for you it will just cause pain & unhappiness in the long term.

 

There are two sides I guess is what I'm saying & it's not wrong to be on

either of them.

 

good luck & be well.

 

Regards to the fish,

LisA

ICQ#: 15562604

*** www.gu.uwa.edu.au/clubs/vegies ***

 

" I think---therefore I'm single... "

-Lizz Winstead

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Lisa Green [moonbug]

 

 

>>...You wouldn't date someone who was...pro-war...<<

 

Does this include " those who would fight " if drafted into military service,

" all members " currently in the military, or just the " people at the top " who

plan the wars?

 

 

>>...after all what's the point of having someone who is not perfect for you

it will just cause pain & unhappiness in the long term.<<

 

Excellent point, Lisa!!!

 

DaveO

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, daveo wrote:

 

> >>...You wouldn't date someone who was...pro-war...<<

>

> Does this include " those who would fight " if drafted into military service,

> " all members " currently in the military, or just the " people at the top " who

> plan the wars?

 

That's up to the individual I was just using all those things as examples

of what someone may chose to exclude another person as being a potential

partner, just as eating meat may be a characteristic someone might like to

use as a basis for exclusion.

 

>

> >>...after all what's the point of having someone who is not perfect for you

> it will just cause pain & unhappiness in the long term.<<

>

> Excellent point, Lisa!!!

 

ta.

 

Regards to the fish,

LisA

ICQ#: 15562604

*** www.gu.uwa.edu.au/clubs/vegies ***

 

" I think---therefore I'm single... "

-Lizz Winstead

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My boyfriend is a meat eater to the extream, but I love him to death because

he excepts me for who and what I am.... I Veggie Witch.... LOL

 

Happy Valentine's Day

~*~Sara in Toronto~*~

ID: fitgirl1979

" I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays. "

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with Anna. It's not like choosing to date

someone who smokes cigarettes or is an alcoholic. Do

what you heart tells you to do. If you're absolutely

dead set against dating a meat eater, don't do it!

You don't want to resent him later. But remember that

there's a lot of them out there, far more than

veggies. My hubby eats meat and I love him more than

anything.

Warmly,

Allison

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dave0:

: Does this include " those who would fight " if drafted into

: military service,

: " all members " currently in the military, or just the " people

: at the top " who

: plan the wars?

:

for myself, all of the above. although i don't consider them all

*pro-war.* very tricky that pro-war label. but for me, i couldn't date

someone that serves in military or would serve if drafted. and i

definitely couldn't date a yalie at the top. it's just all those

personal convictions get in the way. bleh.

 

kate

[Guest guest]

>>...very tricky that pro-war label...<<

 

As are so many other labels.

 

I admire your commitment, yet I wonder how it might evolve over time.

Personally, I know many war protesters from the 60s who went on to corporate

jobs, mortgages, and basically a sell out of these very ideals. I don't

suggest this will happen for you. I just wonder at the many

possibilities...

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

kate. [mozsmith]

 

dave0:

: Does this include " those who would fight " if drafted into

: military service,

: " all members " currently in the military, or just the " people

: at the top " who

: plan the wars?

:

for myself, all of the above. although i don't consider them all

*pro-war.* very tricky that pro-war label. but for me, i couldn't date

someone that serves in military or would serve if drafted. and i definitely

couldn't date a yalie at the top. it's just all those personal convictions

get in the way. bleh.

 

kate

[Guest guest]

well, if i could only find a corporate job to take... as long it's not

with an oil refinery or a defence contractor. personally, i think

things change when you have children. since i don't plan to have

children any time soon, i can still cling to my castles in the sky.

 

kate

 

:

: daveo [daveo]

: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:52 PM

:

: RE: Opinions please, and FOOD!

:

:

:

: >>...very tricky that pro-war label...<<

:

: As are so many other labels.

:

: I admire your commitment, yet I wonder how it might evolve

: over time. Personally, I know many war protesters from the

: 60s who went on to corporate jobs, mortgages, and basically a

: sell out of these very ideals. I don't suggest this will

: happen for you. I just wonder at the many possibilities...

:

: DaveO

:

:

:

:

: kate. [mozsmith]

:

: dave0:

: : Does this include " those who would fight " if drafted into

: : military service,

: : " all members " currently in the military, or just the " people

: : at the top " who

: : plan the wars?

: :

: for myself, all of the above. although i don't consider them all

: *pro-war.* very tricky that pro-war label. but for me, i

: couldn't date someone that serves in military or would serve

: if drafted. and i definitely couldn't date a yalie at the

: top. it's just all those personal convictions get in the way. bleh.

:

: kate

:

:

:

:

[Guest guest]

LOL - you're right there!

And thank goodness we do change when we become

parents;)

Warmly,

Allison

 

> personally, i think

> things change when you have children. since i don't

> plan to have

> children any time soon, i can still cling to my

> castles in the sky.

>

> kate

 

 

 

 

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>>...if i could only find a corporate job to take...<<

 

That lament is all around me here in " Silicon Valley. "

 

This is only my opinion, but I expect a number of higher paid corporate jobs

to " shift from technical and professional " to basically lower paid " service

and semiprofessional jobs " over the next decade.

 

For many reasons, the overall technical/professional level of US grads does

not normally meet those from many other nations. This " brain drain " is

further complicated by the fact that workers elsewhere in the world will

work for 1/10th the wages of most US grads.

 

For example, my company recently put a contract out for bid. The bids

ranged from $35,000 to $129,000. The job was later contracted to a Russian

technical team who completed it beyond our expectations for a measly $1,100

US. All communications were done using ICQ, and it's a common practice in

today's companies. Not good news but quickly becoming a reality.

 

Good luck to you, Kate,

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

kate. [mozsmith]

 

well, if i could only find a corporate job to take... as long it's not with

an oil refinery or a defence contractor. personally, i think things change

when you have children. since i don't plan to have children any time soon,

i can still cling to my castles in the sky.

 

kate

[Guest guest]

dave0:

: This is only my opinion, but I expect a number of higher paid

: corporate jobs

: to " shift from technical and professional " to basically lower

: paid " service

: and semiprofessional jobs " over the next decade.

:

and here i just thought i couldn't find employment because of the crappy

economy. </smartass> But there is probably some truth in what you are

saying.

 

: For many reasons, the overall technical/professional level of

: US grads does

: not normally meet those from many other nations. This " brain

: drain " is

: further complicated by the fact that workers elsewhere in the

: world will

: work for 1/10th the wages of most US grads.

:

yes, i know that a master's degree here is worth a bachelor's over in

some european countries. hence why i am trying to get into a decent

master's program. but it seems that everybody has that idea at the

moment.

 

: Good luck to you, Kate,

:

thanks. i do need it wherever i can get it. i like that phrase,

because you can replace *it* with so many things. woo!

 

kate