Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar may taste great with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody seen how much sodium they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a natural diet, but modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium in so called " meat alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in excess causes stress on the whole body, raises blood pressure and causes a whole host of other problems. Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to tempe, tofu and beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 >>...Sodium in excess is not found in a natural diet...<< You do not mention " what is excessive. " Perhaps this link will assist readers to decide for themselves. http://oto.wustl.edu/men/sodium.htm From this link, it looks to me like " normal is a pretty wide range " --1,100 to 3,300 mg/day. The items you mention as " bad " are around 1/8th of the max range, which without further guidance, I'd suggest would be okay for most people. What say you, Jeremy? DaveO Jeremy <jermack [jermack] Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar may taste great with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody seen how much sodium they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a natural diet, but modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium in so called " meat alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in excess causes stress on the whole body, raises blood pressure and causes a whole host of other problems. Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to tempe, tofu and beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 DAVEO: From what I understand, how much sodium you can intake is based on how much potassium you intake. Potassium (in mg) divided by sodium... this ratio is known as the K factor. This K factor is actually more significant then the absolute value of either sodium or potassium (why you can't simply go by RDA %). The K factor for any given food should be at least 3, the higher the K factor, the healthier the food. Most veggies and fruits can far exceed that level. Processed foods however (including breads, soups and " veggie burgers " ) almost always are in negative territory. Since the RDA of potassium is rarely on the label, you can't gauge a healthy level of sodium, nor the correct K factor. Since one rarely just eats the " burger " (adding condiments, bun, soy/cheese), the sodium sky- rockets again. (even if you go by the percentages, something like a bocca italian sausage accounts for 45% of your RDA). Until only a thousand years ago, salt was hard to come by (roman soldiers were actually paid in it). Now, since mining routinelyrutinely, salt has become cheap and over used. My whole point is this; the vegetarian lifestyle should be a healthy one. An incorrect balance of Sodium/Potassium is not the road to better health. jeremy ps, thanks for the sausage recipe , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > > >>...Sodium in excess is not found in a natural diet...<< > > You do not mention " what is excessive. " Perhaps this link will assist > readers to decide for themselves. http://oto.wustl.edu/men/sodium.htm > > From this link, it looks to me like " normal is a pretty wide range " - -1,100 > to 3,300 mg/day. The items you mention as " bad " are around 1/8th of the max > range, which without further guidance, I'd suggest would be okay for most > people. What say you, Jeremy? > > DaveO > > > > > Jeremy <jermack> [jermack] > > Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar may taste great > with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody seen how much sodium > they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a natural diet, but > modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium in so called " meat > alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in excess causes stress > on the whole body, raises blood pressure and causes a whole host of > other problems. > > Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to tempe, tofu and beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Yep, your body can only diffuse so much. Warmly, Allison --- " Jeremy <jermack " <jermack wrote: > DAVEO: > > From what I understand, how much sodium you can > intake is based on > how much potassium you intake. Potassium (in mg) > divided by > sodium... this ratio is known as the K factor. This > K factor is > actually more significant then the absolute value of > either sodium or > potassium (why you can't simply go by RDA %). The K > factor for any > given food should be at least 3, the higher the K > factor, the > healthier the food. Most veggies and fruits can far > exceed that > level. Processed foods however (including breads, > soups and " veggie > burgers " ) almost always are in negative territory. > Since the RDA of > potassium is rarely on the label, you can't gauge a > healthy level of > sodium, nor the correct K factor. Since one rarely > just eats > the " burger " (adding condiments, bun, soy/cheese), > the sodium sky- > rockets again. (even if you go by the percentages, > something like a > bocca italian sausage accounts for 45% of your RDA). > > Until only a thousand years ago, salt was hard to > come by (roman > soldiers were actually paid in it). Now, since > mining > routinelyrutinely, salt has become cheap and over > used. > > My whole point is this; the vegetarian lifestyle > should be a healthy > one. An incorrect balance of Sodium/Potassium is > not the road to > better health. > > jeremy > > ps, thanks for the sausage recipe > > , " daveo " > <daveo@m...> wrote: > > > > >>...Sodium in excess is not found in a natural > diet...<< > > > > You do not mention " what is excessive. " Perhaps > this link will > assist > > readers to decide for themselves. > http://oto.wustl.edu/men/sodium.htm > > > > From this link, it looks to me like " normal is a > pretty wide range " - > -1,100 > > to 3,300 mg/day. The items you mention as " bad " > are around 1/8th > of the max > > range, which without further guidance, I'd suggest > would be okay > for most > > people. What say you, Jeremy? > > > > DaveO > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy <jermack> [jermack] > > > > Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar > may taste great > > with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody > seen how much sodium > > they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a > natural diet, but > > modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium > in so > called " meat > > alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in > excess causes > stress > > on the whole body, raises blood pressure and > causes a whole host of > > other problems. > > > > Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to > tempe, tofu and beans. > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Even pistachios have an inordinate quantity of salt. I can't stand that much salt. Guess i'll have to learn to make my own veggie burgers. Lady ELisa --- " Jeremy <jermack " <jermack wrote: > Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar > may taste great > with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody seen > how much sodium > they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a > natural diet, but > modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium in > so called " meat > alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in > excess causes stress > on the whole body, raises blood pressure and causes > a whole host of > other problems. > > Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to tempe, > tofu and beans. > > ===== Lady Elisa " If I had a world of my own everything would be nonsense. " Alice from Disney's Alice in Wonderland Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Oh, there was a great recipe for a shredded vegie burger in a magazine I had... but I'd have to dig that out. It just took a bunch of fresh veggies like zuchini and so forth and formed a burger from those things to be grilled or whatnot. But on the sodium subject, I don't know what to say. Basically, if you eat something that comes out of a package, you're screwed on the sodium level. I'm an avid reader of labels, and therefore it takes a lot of energy to eat a very much from cans or boxes these days without feeling worried about it. Buying veggies from a can (unless you go for the no-salt added ones) is deadly, buying instant noodles or rice products is risky, buying frozen dinners is risky, hell, buying some god damn crackers is risky. Even BREAD sometimes contains totally wasteful ammounts of salt. I often wonder WHY it is that companies feel the need to dump all that salt into something that tastes just fine without it. Because half the time, there's so much that it's unbearable to eat!!!! But this is the society that revels in it's MSG potato chips and greasy sausages... My point is, unless you live on a huge vegetable farm or in a big city where it's possible to choose your groceries in a both time- friendly and healthy manner, you're just going to have to settle for the lesser of the evils. As a busy mom doing school and work part time along with trying to clean up the house on occassion, I can't necessarily spend all of my time kneading my bread from scratch and growing vegetables in the back yard, making cheese or sauces from scratch, etc. But if you're going to eat salty stuff, just remember two important tips... 1.) Drink plenty of fluids since that salt will zap your body fluid levels 2.) DON'T ADD SALT TO YOUR FOOD!!!! If you're already eating a big bowl of canned pasta with 120% of your daily sodium, you really don't need it. And like the people above said, it should be helpful to get a good ammount of potasium in. --Heather , gothbutterfli <gothbutterfli> wrote: > Even pistachios have an inordinate quantity of salt. I > can't stand that much salt. Guess i'll have to learn > to make my own veggie burgers. > Lady ELisa > --- " Jeremy <jermack> " <jermack> > wrote: > > Products like Bocca, Garden Burger and Morningstar > > may taste great > > with low fat/zero cholestoral, but has anybody seen > > how much sodium > > they contain? Sodium in excess is not found in a > > natural diet, but > > modern processed foods are swimming in it; sodium in > > so called " meat > > alternatives " is way out of control. Sodium in > > excess causes stress > > on the whole body, raises blood pressure and causes > > a whole host of > > other problems. > > > > Vegetarian? Do yourself a favor and stick to tempe, > > tofu and beans. > > > > > > > ===== > Lady Elisa > > " If I had a world of my own everything would be nonsense. " > Alice from Disney's Alice in Wonderland > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 We have some great recipes for those posted in our files section. Check them out: Veggie Burgers with Zucchini from Pat Meadows Mean Black Bean Burgers by sleepingtao aka Mr. Graves Sandwiches%20%26%20Lunchbox%20Ideas/ Connie's Zucchini 'Crab' Cakes Main%20Dishes/ Bean and Veggie Burgers & VEGGIE BURGERS WITH ZUCCHINI Main%20Dishes/ Sandwiches/ For further inspiration flip through all our files here: ~ PT ~ Where fear is present, wisdom cannot be. ~ Lactantius ~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , gothbutterfli <gothbutterfli> wrote: > Even pistachios have an inordinate quantity of salt. I > can't stand that much salt. Guess i'll have to learn > to make my own veggie burgers. > Lady ELisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Interesting info, Jeremy. My web search does not show that K factor is considered a BIG health risk. Can you supply links which explore the dangers of big imbalances in this ratio? DaveO Jeremy <jermack [jermack] DAVEO: From what I understand, how much sodium you can intake is based on how much potassium you intake. Potassium (in mg) divided by sodium... this ratio is known as the K factor. This K factor is actually more significant then the absolute value of either sodium or potassium (why you can't simply go by RDA %). The K factor for any given food should be at least 3, the higher the K factor, the healthier the food. Most veggies and fruits can far exceed that level. Processed foods however (including breads, soups and " veggie burgers " ) almost always are in negative territory. Since the RDA of potassium is rarely on the label, you can't gauge a healthy level of sodium, nor the correct K factor. Since one rarely just eats the " burger " (adding condiments, bun, soy/cheese), the sodium sky- rockets again. (even if you go by the percentages, something like a bocca italian sausage accounts for 45% of your RDA). Until only a thousand years ago, salt was hard to come by (roman soldiers were actually paid in it). Now, since mining routinelyrutinely, salt has become cheap and over used. My whole point is this; the vegetarian lifestyle should be a healthy one. An incorrect balance of Sodium/Potassium is not the road to better health. jeremy ps, thanks for the sausage recipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Daveo- Links... no. I got the info the old fashioned way; Books. Check out any book that deals with the negative impact of salt (usually those that deal with high blood pressure). I got the info from various books that deal with lowering blood pressure naturally. I'll have to get one of the authors names and post it next week. take it easy. jeremy --- daveo <daveo wrote: > > Interesting info, Jeremy. > > My web search does not show that K factor is > considered a BIG health risk. > Can you supply links which explore the dangers of > big imbalances in this > ratio? > > DaveO > > > > > > Jeremy <jermack > [jermack] > > DAVEO: > From what I understand, how much sodium you can > intake is based on > how much potassium you intake. Potassium (in mg) > divided by > sodium... this ratio is known as the K factor. This > K factor is > actually more significant then the absolute value of > either sodium or > potassium (why you can't simply go by RDA %). The K > factor for any > given food should be at least 3, the higher the K > factor, the > healthier the food. Most veggies and fruits can far > exceed that > level. Processed foods however (including breads, > soups and " veggie > burgers " ) almost always are in negative territory. > Since the RDA of > potassium is rarely on the label, you can't gauge a > healthy level of > sodium, nor the correct K factor. Since one rarely > just eats > the " burger " (adding condiments, bun, soy/cheese), > the sodium sky- rockets > again. (even if you go by the percentages, > something like a > bocca italian sausage accounts for 45% of your RDA). > > Until only a thousand years ago, salt was hard to > come by (roman > soldiers were actually paid in it). Now, since > mining > routinelyrutinely, salt has become cheap and over > used. > > My whole point is this; the vegetarian lifestyle > should be a healthy > one. An incorrect balance of Sodium/Potassium is > not the road to > better health. > > jeremy > > ps, thanks for the sausage recipe > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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