Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the group: How long have you been a veggie? o 0-1 year (just started) o 1-2 years o 2-5 years o 5-10 years o 10-15 years o My Whole Life To vote, please visit the following web page: /surveys?id=246726 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the web site listed above. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 On 1 Feb 2003 02:05:27 -0000, you wrote: > >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > group: > >How long have you been a veggie? > > o 0-1 year (just started) > o 1-2 years > o 2-5 years > o 5-10 years > o 10-15 years > o My Whole Life > Let's not forget that there are members - at least one - who are NOT vegetarians. I'm not a vegetarian at this particular time in my life. I don't feel called to be a vegetarian at this point. I have been one in the past and may be one again in the future. But right now, my life just doesn't call me to being a vegetarian. There are a several reasons for this, none of which are particularly relevant to this list. However, I enjoy vegetarian cooking and eating, and have done a great deal of natural-foods vegetarian cooking for well over 35 years, so I probably have a good deal of knowledge to share about it. I'd like to think so anyway. Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 After this poll is done, I was thinking of doing another which asked more specifically what type of vegetarian people are on the list, and would include a vote for " not a vegetarian now " on it. This one that a member created is just asking the vegetarians here how long they have been at it. ~ PT ~ Endurance is patience concentrated. ~ Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881) ~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , Pat Meadows <pat@m...> wrote: > On 1 Feb 2003 02:05:27 -0000, you wrote: > > Let's not forget that there are members - at least one - who > are NOT vegetarians. > > I'm not a vegetarian at this particular time in my life. I > don't feel called to be a vegetarian at this point. > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 just curious, why are people who eat only " seafood " but no other meats considered vegetarians. my personal view is that if one wants to don the honorable title of vegetarianism one shouldn't be eating any members of the animal kingdom. is there like a prefix for fish- eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? , " ~ P_T ~ <patchouli_troll> " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > After this poll is done, I was thinking of doing another which asked > more > specifically what type of vegetarian people are on the list, and > would include > a vote for " not a vegetarian now " on it. This one that a member > created is just > asking the vegetarians here how long they have been at it. > > ~ PT ~ > > Endurance is patience concentrated. > ~ Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881) > ~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > , Pat Meadows <pat@m...> > wrote: > > On 1 Feb 2003 02:05:27 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > Let's not forget that there are members - at least one - who > > are NOT vegetarians. > > > > I'm not a vegetarian at this particular time in my life. I > > don't feel called to be a vegetarian at this point. > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Yes, they're called pesco vegetarians. Warmly, Allison --- " dave <dave4sale " <dave4sale wrote: > just curious, why are people who eat only " seafood " > but no other > meats considered vegetarians. my personal view is > that if one wants > to don the honorable title of vegetarianism one > shouldn't be eating > any members of the animal kingdom. is there like a > prefix for fish- > eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? > > > , " ~ P_T ~ > <patchouli_troll> " <patchouli_troll> > wrote: > > After this poll is done, I was thinking of doing > another which asked > > more > > specifically what type of vegetarian people are on > the list, and > > would include > > a vote for " not a vegetarian now " on it. This one > that a member > > created is just > > asking the vegetarians here how long they have > been at it. > > > > ~ PT ~ > > > > Endurance is patience concentrated. > > ~ Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881) > > > ~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > , Pat > Meadows <pat@m...> > > wrote: > > > On 1 Feb 2003 02:05:27 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Let's not forget that there are members - at > least one - who > > > are NOT vegetarians. > > > > > > I'm not a vegetarian at this particular time in > my life. I > > > don't feel called to be a vegetarian at this > point. > > > Pat > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hmm.. i think its a matter of personal definition, really. The thing is, i ate seafood for a while and called myself a vegetarian (im vegan now) and i didnt have a problem with it... for me there were several reasons that made it perfectly acceptable (reasons i accept in others who want to do that as well) but i wont delve into them because debating about points that often end moot is futile at best (ive seen conclusive scientific evidence that can both prove and disprove fish have a sense of pain, etc... or that fish flesh is of a completely separate biological structure than meat, so it's not right to call it 'meat' etc... but again, its all arguable) but i think the thing is, its allreally a process.. most people start with one meat, then another, and another, until it's all out... so everybody just has to walk their own path, at their own pace:) --- " dave <dave4sale " <dave4sale wrote: > just curious, why are people who eat only " seafood " > but no other > meats considered vegetarians. my personal view is > that if one wants > to don the honorable title of vegetarianism one > shouldn't be eating > any members of the animal kingdom. is there like a > prefix for fish- > eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? > ===== Where is this beauty? I search and search and then find, We are the lotus. Om Mani Padme Hum Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 i see your point. i don't think it really matters all that much. labels are overrated anyway. but some of the hostile meat-eaters out there live to verbally abuse anyone who calls themselves a vegetarian. the only reason i really have any objection to usage of the pesco-vegetarian label is that it in a way cheapens the value of a fish's life to the people who do believe sea creatures should not be inflicted with unnecessary pain; from my personal experiences fishing as a child, i can say that fish definitely seemed to " mind " being impaled with a hook, wrenched from the water and thus suffocated, or de-scaled with a knife. but whether you want to chalk these responses up to instinct or " true pain " seems indeed a futile debate. super d --- In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Pesco-vegetarians: people who eat mostly a vegetarian diet but still eat fish on occasion. Pollo- vegetarians: people who eat a diet free of red meat, but still eat chicken and turkey. I know these definitions are odd, but they exist. Many vegans, and lacto-ovo vegetarians who eat no animal flesh do not agree with them. I was once a red-meat abstainer because I just never liked it. Out of respect and to help ease the situation on my parents (I was still living at home) I would eat poultry or fish. I never considered myself a vegetarian, but others would label me that. I would just laugh and tell them I was a red meat abstainer. How could I consider myself a vegetarian when I still allowed for the killing of chicken and fish? *lol* Anyway, after moving out on my own, I found my way to what I consider a vegetarian way of eating and quit eating poultry and then eventually fish as well. ~ PT ~ The best of all the preachers are the men who live their creeds. ~ Edgar A. Guest ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , " dave <dave4sale> " < dave4sale> wrote: > just curious, why are people who eat only " seafood " but no other > meats considered vegetarians. my personal view is that if one wants > to don the honorable title of vegetarianism one shouldn't be eating > any members of the animal kingdom. is there like a prefix for fish- > eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hi, Speaking of eating living things. I just read a statistic in some newspaper ( and I have not gone searching to verify the truth of it but consider it to be possible) that people swallow an average of 8 spiders (darn, it was either over a year or over a lifetime) while they sleep. Now this is a bit disgusting but certainly a possibility. I see no way to prevent the eating of spiders or other insects if they wander into my mouth when I'm not awake. ;<) Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:56:53 -0000, you wrote: >i see your point. i don't think it really matters all that much. >labels are overrated anyway. but some of the hostile meat-eaters out >there live to verbally abuse anyone who calls themselves a >vegetarian. the only reason i really have any objection to usage of >the pesco-vegetarian label is that it in a way cheapens the value of >a fish's life to the people who do believe sea creatures should not >be inflicted with unnecessary pain; from my personal experiences >fishing as a child, i can say that fish definitely seemed to " mind " >being impaled with a hook, wrenched from the water and thus >suffocated, or de-scaled with a knife. but whether you want to chalk >these responses up to instinct or " true pain " seems indeed a futile >debate. super d > I think there's a good reason not to do this (call yourself a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which is that it causes confusion and thereby makes things difficult for both vegetarians and non-vegs. [begin Hypothetical Scenario] I call myself a vegetarian but eat chicken (or seafood - either one). I go to a restaurant and have soup. I tell the waiter I'm a vegetarian and ask what's in the soup. It has chicken stock (or fish stock). I say, 'Oh that's fine.' and I eat my soup and go away happy. Later that day, you - a vegetarian - go in the restaurant and order that soup and the waiter assures you that it's fine for vegetarians...... [End Hypothetical Scenario] Worse, a hostess assumes that vegetarians eat seafood (because her friend Jane eats seafood and calls herself a vegetarian) and makes a lot of expensive seafood dishes and invites you over for dinner, assuring you that she's made a vegetarian meal... Pat -- Pat Meadows CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 hm... as an aside, the waiter should check everytime, if your in a good restaurant.treating each customer as unique is tantamount to good service:D (i work in an all vegetarian restaurant, and im working on opening my own vegan cafe/bakery... anyone want to help me feed the 2 million vegetarians/ vegans that come through my city a year? im gonna be the only vegan place in the entire region:D) and having worked in the restaurant industry for about ten years, in the biggest tourist capital of the world, i promise you, if your restaurant isnt 100% vegetarian, then the knives they cut your vegetarian 'option' with, ten seconds earlier were sawing through steak, and the grill they cook your food on still has bits of burning flesh and blood from the last 'non vegetarian' option. as for fish feeling pain, no one can argue (not even me and i was raised by people who were avid fishermen) that the fish do not react to externeal stimulus that is damaging to them; they do definately experience the stimulus. There is a strong argument, however that the fish do not feel 'pain' the way you and I think of it.. the lingering sensation of hurt. The body of the fish will react the same way as a mussel, or even plant, to damaging stimulus. The feeling and sensation of pain, theway we experience it, is developed in the areas of the cerebral cortex that fish do not have, hence the argument they do not feel pain. Its easy to circumvent that roadblock though; concentrate on the fact that agribusiness fishing is destroying the environment, that fish farms are starting to implement the same hormone treatments that factory farms do, and that fish flesh can carry insanely high amounts of toxins and not filter them; it may have been great to eat fish 100 years ago; not anymore. but thats just me. -k- --- Pat Meadows <pat wrote: > On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:56:53 -0000, you wrote: > > >i see your point. i don't think it really matters > all that much. > >labels are overrated anyway. but some of the > hostile meat-eaters out > >there live to verbally abuse anyone who calls > themselves a > >vegetarian. the only reason i really have any > objection to usage of > >the pesco-vegetarian label is that it in a way > cheapens the value of > >a fish's life to the people who do believe sea > creatures should not > >be inflicted with unnecessary pain; from my > personal experiences > >fishing as a child, i can say that fish definitely > seemed to " mind " > >being impaled with a hook, wrenched from the water > and thus > >suffocated, or de-scaled with a knife. but whether > you want to chalk > >these responses up to instinct or " true pain " seems > indeed a futile > >debate. super d > > > > I think there's a good reason not to do this (call > yourself > a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which > is that > it causes confusion and thereby makes things > difficult for > both vegetarians and non-vegs. > > [begin Hypothetical Scenario] I call myself a > vegetarian > but eat chicken (or seafood - either one). > > I go to a restaurant and have soup. I tell the > waiter I'm a > vegetarian and ask what's in the soup. It has > chicken stock > (or fish stock). I say, 'Oh that's fine.' and I eat > my soup > and go away happy. > > Later that day, you - a vegetarian - go in the > restaurant > and order that soup and the waiter assures you that > it's > fine for vegetarians...... > > [End Hypothetical Scenario] > > Worse, a hostess assumes that vegetarians eat > seafood > (because her friend Jane eats seafood and calls > herself a > vegetarian) and makes a lot of expensive seafood > dishes and > invites you over for dinner, assuring you that she's > made a > vegetarian meal... > > Pat > -- Pat Meadows > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > ===== Where is this beauty? I search and search and then find, We are the lotus. Om Mani Padme Hum Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 I hope your new restaurant is successful. How I wish we had a vegan restaurant in my city....(cattle country with a capital " C " ) As for fish feeling pain, your arguments make sense and you back them up with facts. Personally, I don't really know for sure if they feel pain, but I avoid fish for the reasons you mentioned (hormones, toxins, environment, etc.) Rose , " Mr.Graves " <sleepingtao> wrote: > hm... > > as an aside, the waiter should check everytime, if > your in a good restaurant.treating each customer as > unique is tantamount to good service:D > > (i work in an all vegetarian restaurant, and im > working on opening my own vegan cafe/bakery... anyone > want to help me feed the 2 million vegetarians/ vegans > that come through my city a year? im gonna be the only > vegan place in the entire region:D) > > and having worked in the restaurant industry for about > ten years, in the biggest tourist capital of the > world, i promise you, if your restaurant isnt 100% > vegetarian, then the knives they cut your vegetarian > 'option' with, ten seconds earlier were sawing through > steak, and the grill they cook your food on still has > bits of burning flesh and blood from the last 'non > vegetarian' option. > > as for fish feeling pain, no one can argue (not even > me and i was raised by people who were avid fishermen) > that the fish do not react to externeal stimulus that > is damaging to them; they do definately experience the > stimulus. There is a strong argument, however that the > fish do not feel 'pain' the way you and I think of > it.. the lingering sensation of hurt. The body of the > fish will react the same way as a mussel, or even > plant, to damaging stimulus. The feeling and sensation > of pain, theway we experience it, is developed in the > areas of the cerebral cortex that fish do not have, > hence the argument they do not feel pain. > > Its easy to circumvent that roadblock though; > concentrate on the fact that agribusiness fishing is > destroying the environment, that fish farms are > starting to implement the same hormone treatments that > factory farms do, and that fish flesh can carry > insanely high amounts of toxins and not filter them; > it may have been great to eat fish 100 years ago; not > anymore. > > but thats just me. > > -k- > --- Pat Meadows <pat@m...> wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:56:53 -0000, you wrote: > > > > >i see your point. i don't think it really matters > > all that much. > > >labels are overrated anyway. but some of the > > hostile meat-eaters out > > >there live to verbally abuse anyone who calls > > themselves a > > >vegetarian. the only reason i really have any > > objection to usage of > > >the pesco-vegetarian label is that it in a way > > cheapens the value of > > >a fish's life to the people who do believe sea > > creatures should not > > >be inflicted with unnecessary pain; from my > > personal experiences > > >fishing as a child, i can say that fish definitely > > seemed to " mind " > > >being impaled with a hook, wrenched from the water > > and thus > > >suffocated, or de-scaled with a knife. but whether > > you want to chalk > > >these responses up to instinct or " true pain " seems > > indeed a futile > > >debate. super d > > > > > > > I think there's a good reason not to do this (call > > yourself > > a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which > > is that > > it causes confusion and thereby makes things > > difficult for > > both vegetarians and non-vegs. > > > > [begin Hypothetical Scenario] I call myself a > > vegetarian > > but eat chicken (or seafood - either one). > > > > I go to a restaurant and have soup. I tell the > > waiter I'm a > > vegetarian and ask what's in the soup. It has > > chicken stock > > (or fish stock). I say, 'Oh that's fine.' and I eat > > my soup > > and go away happy. > > > > Later that day, you - a vegetarian - go in the > > restaurant > > and order that soup and the waiter assures you that > > it's > > fine for vegetarians...... > > > > [End Hypothetical Scenario] > > > > Worse, a hostess assumes that vegetarians eat > > seafood > > (because her friend Jane eats seafood and calls > > herself a > > vegetarian) and makes a lot of expensive seafood > > dishes and > > invites you over for dinner, assuring you that she's > > made a > > vegetarian meal... > > > > Pat > > -- Pat Meadows > > CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY > > United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/ > > International: http://www.thehungersite.com/ > > > > > ===== > > Where is this beauty? > > I search and search and then find, > > We are the lotus. > > > > Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 I agree!! Calling yourself a " vegetarian " when you still eat animal flesh is simply not honest. For one reason, that's why there are " so many other names " for " partial veggies. " Use those names, and it's much clearer to those around you. Then, I won't have to re educate that server that your " loose use " of the word " vegetarian " has created. So. if you still eat meat, then I think you ought to " own that diet " until you you can " own the next level " of a veggie diet. For me, my veggie diet is all about ethics, honesty, and freedom. What says the group? DaveO Pat Meadows [pat] >>...good reason not to do this (call yourself a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which is that it causes confusion and thereby makes things difficult for both vegetarians and non-vegs.<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 i hate to say it, but eating cheese isnt even vegetarian. cheese has an actual animal flesh inside it, in derivitive. Most people dont like to admit that, especially 'vegetarians' but unless your cheese has microbial enzyme in it, you are consuming the inside of a calfs stomach with it. how many vegetarians smugly eat cheese while judging those who eat fish, i wonder? the things is, its all crap. giving yourself 'super special action power' diet names to make you an even more unique, pretty snowflake, is just a diversion. in the end, we are all actually gradient variations of vegans, defining the grade sometimes serves to distract from that goal(unconscious though it may be) almost every goal of the vegetarian diet is along the path of veganism... it all depends on what industry you are abstaining from at any given point in time. It's quite honest, to call yourself a vegetarian if you eat fish.. because the mainstay of your diet and the source of your nutrition will still be plant foods and not animal based: the definition of vegetarian. Think of it like this: if 99 out of 100 days you eat veggie, but 1 day, you have a burger, are you not 'worthy' of being called vegetarian? I think you are, because the vegetarian thing is a mindset and philosophy and not a military regime, at least not to me:D regards, K --- daveo <daveo wrote: > > I agree!! Calling yourself a " vegetarian " when you > still eat animal flesh > is simply not honest. For one reason, that's why > there are " so many other > names " for " partial veggies. " Use those names, and > it's much clearer to > those around you. > > Then, I won't have to re educate that server that > your " loose use " of the > word " vegetarian " has created. So. if you still eat > meat, then I think you > ought to " own that diet " until you you can " own the > next level " of a veggie > diet. > > For me, my veggie diet is all about ethics, honesty, > and freedom. What says > the group? > > DaveO > Pat Meadows [pat] > > >>...good reason not to do this (call yourself > a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which > is that > it causes confusion and thereby makes things > difficult for > both vegetarians and non-vegs.<< > > > > > > ===== Where is this beauty? I search and search and then find, We are the lotus. Om Mani Padme Hum Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Hi there, I agree with you Daveo. Although right now I am not a veggie, I would really like to be. My family will eat dishes without meat occaisionally; but they still love their beef steak. I do like chicken once in a while; but could be happy not eating it. It is the smell that does it to me. I don't mean to ffend anyone here; but I don't want to eat veggie because I don't want to hurt animals, although I don't ;ike to hurt anything or anyone. I guess we all have our own reasons. I want to eat veggie because I believe a plant based diet and whole grains is a much healrhier way to eat. I joined this group hoping to get some ideas for recipes and got more than I bargained for! LOL!! My inbox is filling up fast! Take care CT daveo <daveo wrote: I agree!! Calling yourself a " vegetarian " when you still eat animal flesh is simply not honest. For one reason, that's why there are " so many other names " for " partial veggies. " Use those names, and it's much clearer to those around you. Then, I won't have to re educate that server that your " loose use " of the word " vegetarian " has created. So. if you still eat meat, then I think you ought to " own that diet " until you you can " own the next level " of a veggie diet. For me, my veggie diet is all about ethics, honesty, and freedom. What says the group? DaveO Pat Meadows [pat] >>...good reason not to do this (call yourself a vegetarian when you eat seafood or chicken), which is that it causes confusion and thereby makes things difficult for both vegetarians and non-vegs.<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Maybe you can be more specific...I've heard this repeatedly from other vegans, but none have had anything more specific than well... " so and so told me. " DaveO Mr.Graves [sleepingtao] >>...eating cheese isnt even vegetarian. cheese has an actual animal flesh inside it, in derivitive. Most people dont like to admit that, especially 'vegetarians' but unless your cheese has microbial enzyme in it, you are consuming the inside of a calfs stomach with it.<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/2003 10:19:42 AM Central Standard Time, dave4sale writes: > s there like a prefix for fish- > eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? pescatarian. is the word, and we are not vegetarian. We eat similiar to vegetarians, but we do include the fish. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 2/4/2003 7:56:44 PM Central Standard Time, AnnaJames91 writes: > pescatarian. is the word, and we are not vegetarian. We eat similiar to > vegetarians, but we do include the fish. > I have a friend who is vegan, and I chose to point out the differences, in respect to her and all others who have to deal with the constant mistake of the common people knowledge of veganism. I was ovo-lacto vegetarian, but I found it made me gain weight.( I would replace the meat with pastas, and such) So anywho, Pescatarians are not vegetarians. May hats off to those that are, and much respect. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 those are really great points... i am getting so tired of telling people i don't eat fish or chicken after they find out i am a vegetarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Actually I didnt think people who ate seafood were called vegetarians. They are called Pesco-vegetarians I think. ~Sara > just curious, why are people who eat only " seafood " but no other > meats considered vegetarians. my personal view is that if one wants > to don the honorable title of vegetarianism one shouldn't be eating > any members of the animal kingdom. is there like a prefix for fish- > eating vegetarians (e.g. lacto-ovo)? > Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 Can I ask what area you are opening this in? I live in Minnesota, so if it's near me, I will go there! ~Sara > (i work in an all vegetarian restaurant, and im > working on opening my own vegan cafe/bakery... anyone > want to help me feed the 2 million vegetarians/ vegans > that come through my city a year? im gonna be the only > vegan place in the entire region:D) > Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 , " Mr.Graves " <sleepingtao> wrote: > i hate to say it, > > but eating cheese isnt even vegetarian. cheese has an > actual animal flesh inside it, in derivitive. Most > people dont like to admit that, especially > 'vegetarians' but unless your cheese has microbial > enzyme in it, you are consuming the inside of a calfs > stomach with it. > > how many vegetarians smugly eat cheese while judging > those who eat fish, i wonder? If you think about it, this is true of those who call themselves " lacto-ovo " vegetarians. Eating milk and eggs isn't really vegetarian, if you consider it from an " animal-rights " point of view. Cow's milk was meant for nursing infant cows, not human beings. And eggs are the embryos of chickens. I guess my point would be that there are varying degrees of vegetarianism. And there are just as varied reasons why people become vegetarian. Eating is a personal matter, and what you eat is chosen for personal reasons. I respect the right of others to eat what they choose, and I expect them to respect mine. I avoid animal products for health reasons. I don't touch milk or dairy, mostly because of what's in it. My body doesn't tolerate it well and it makes me ache. Eggs have far too much cholesterol. Yet I do eat soy cheese, even though most of it containes some casein (a milk derivative). And occasionally I may eat fish, if I'm in one of those " have to " situations, i.e., a family dinner eaten out, and nothing much else suitable on the menu. I avoid those that are supposedly heavily contaminated. It is best not to be smug and also best to avoid labeling anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 I live in Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada:) -k- --- Stuquartville wrote: > Can I ask what area you are opening this in? I live > in Minnesota, so if it's > near me, I will go there! > ~Sara > > > > (i work in an all vegetarian restaurant, and im > > working on opening my own vegan cafe/bakery... > anyone > > want to help me feed the 2 million vegetarians/ > vegans > > that come through my city a year? im gonna be the > only > > vegan place in the entire region:D) > > > > > > Entertainment-World/ > TRL-artists-picsNfun/ > TheWB-Chat/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== Where is this beauty? I search and search and then find, We are the lotus. Om Mani Padme Hum Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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