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I have 4 working theories on why some meat-eaters act hostily towards

vegetarians, even if they simply mention they don't eat meat.

 

#1 Guilt theory- The hostile meat-eaters, or carnivorus infestus,

feel an unconscious guilt about their meat-eating. Your vegetarinism

has primed this guilt into their conscious and so they lash out

uncontrollably similar to the narrator at the end of Edgar Allen

Poe's " Tell-tale heart " , ( " it is the beating of the hideous heart!!! " )

 

#2 Projection theory- The hostile meat-eater feels on some level that

their meat-eating is wrong, and so your vegetarians serve them as a

constant reminder that they are a bad person. To protect their ego,

the meat-eater instead projects their negative feelings (unconsiously

of course) onto you, the vegetarian. This prevents them from

anxiety, as they can now say " I'm not bad, you are " .

 

#3 Closet-vegetarian theory- This theory is based on recent

psychological evidence that violent homophobes, or " gay-bashers "

often actually have repressed homosexual tendencies themselves. (e.g.

when men scoring high on a homo-phobia quiz were shown gay porn, they

became physiologically aroused). With closet-veggie theory, the

hostile meat-eater has vegetarian tendencies. However, it is too

horrific to admit so they repress the tendencies and attack all

vegetarians to affirm their carnivorousness, lest anyone suspect them

of being a " soy fag " .

 

#4 Jerk theory- The hostile vegetarians have a personality trait of

jerkiness, whether inherited or learned, which causes them to be,

well, a jerk.

 

So I hope I have cleared things up for you ;)

 

 

 

, Pat Meadows <pat@m...>

> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:22:44 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>

> There's an awful lot of hostility to vegetarians floating

> around - and some from people who I'd have thought would

> know better.

>

> Myself, I don't understand it: I don't know why it exists.

>

> Pat

> -- Pat Meado

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Is this a school project? Here's my take on your four theories:

 

1. At a subconscious level everybody wants to be healthy, and most know the

typical diets around us are far from that. I suggest that a few who can't

have it for themselves simply don't want anyone else to have it either. So,

it's less about " guilt " and more about not getting your own way...you know,

much like that whole childish thing we grow up with.

 

2. The insecure among us need enemies to make them feel better about the

demons that live in their own heads. That's what projection is all about.

Make that enemy the subject of all your anxieties, and you'll feel better

for it. When they do this to vegetarians and turn all veggies into drug,

crazed hippies or worse, everything they do is suddenly much better than

that.

 

3. Society have many forms of guilt to keep us hooked into its " rules, " and

sadly, we all need boundaries within which to validate our behavior as being

normal. Alienation is the single most important issue in today's world that

will make the rise of another Hitler possible. " Hate mongering " and " gay

bashing " are just two techniques that the less scrupulous among will resort

to in order to further just such an agenda.

 

4. Hostility is a behavorial trait that grows to fit the space that allows

it. I've noticed that when someone stands up to a bully, the hostility

usually ends after one final dust up. When no one has the guts to stand and

speak up, then it continues. I prefer to end those situation rather than

just shout " jerk " from a safe distance.

 

Just one veggie man's opinion.

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

 

 

dave <dave4sale [dave4sale]

 

I have 4 working theories on why some meat-eaters act hostily towards

vegetarians, even if they simply mention they don't eat meat.

 

#1 Guilt theory- The hostile meat-eaters, or carnivorus infestus,

feel an unconscious guilt about their meat-eating. Your vegetarinism

has primed this guilt into their conscious and so they lash out

uncontrollably similar to the narrator at the end of Edgar Allen

Poe's " Tell-tale heart " , ( " it is the beating of the hideous heart!!! " )

 

#2 Projection theory- The hostile meat-eater feels on some level that

their meat-eating is wrong, and so your vegetarians serve them as a

constant reminder that they are a bad person. To protect their ego,

the meat-eater instead projects their negative feelings (unconsiously

of course) onto you, the vegetarian. This prevents them from

anxiety, as they can now say " I'm not bad, you are " .

 

#3 Closet-vegetarian theory- This theory is based on recent

psychological evidence that violent homophobes, or " gay-bashers "

often actually have repressed homosexual tendencies themselves. (e.g.

when men scoring high on a homo-phobia quiz were shown gay porn, they

became physiologically aroused). With closet-veggie theory, the

hostile meat-eater has vegetarian tendencies. However, it is too

horrific to admit so they repress the tendencies and attack all

vegetarians to affirm their carnivorousness, lest anyone suspect them

of being a " soy fag " .

 

#4 Jerk theory- The hostile vegetarians have a personality trait of

jerkiness, whether inherited or learned, which causes them to be,

well, a jerk.

 

So I hope I have cleared things up for you ;)

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, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> Is this a school project? Here's my take on your four theories:

>

> 1. At a subconscious level everybody wants to be healthy, and most

know the

> typical diets around us are far from that. I suggest that a few

who can't

> have it for themselves simply don't want anyone else to have it

either. So,

> it's less about " guilt " and more about not getting your own

way...you know,

> much like that whole childish thing we grow up with.

>

> 2. The insecure among us need enemies to make them feel better

about the

> demons that live in their own heads. That's what projection is all

about.

> Make that enemy the subject of all your anxieties, and you'll feel

better

> for it. When they do this to vegetarians and turn all veggies into

drug,

> crazed hippies or worse, everything they do is suddenly much better

than

> that.

>

> 3. Society have many forms of guilt to keep us hooked into

its " rules, " and

> sadly, we all need boundaries within which to validate our behavior

as being

> normal. Alienation is the single most important issue in today's

world that

> will make the rise of another Hitler possible. " Hate mongering "

and " gay

> bashing " are just two techniques that the less scrupulous among

will resort

> to in order to further just such an agenda.

>

> 4. Hostility is a behavorial trait that grows to fit the space

that allows

> it. I've noticed that when someone stands up to a bully, the

hostility

> usually ends after one final dust up. When no one has the guts to

stand and

> speak up, then it continues. I prefer to end those situation

rather than

> just shout " jerk " from a safe distance.

>

> Just one veggie man's opinion.

>

> DaveO

>

>

>

>

>

>

> dave <dave4sale> [dave4sale]

>

> I have 4 working theories on why some meat-eaters act hostily

towards

> vegetarians, even if they simply mention they don't eat meat.

>

> #1 Guilt theory- The hostile meat-eaters, or carnivorus infestus,

> feel an unconscious guilt about their meat-eating. Your

vegetarinism

> has primed this guilt into their conscious and so they lash out

> uncontrollably similar to the narrator at the end of Edgar Allen

> Poe's " Tell-tale heart " , ( " it is the beating of the hideous

heart!!! " )

>

> #2 Projection theory- The hostile meat-eater feels on some level

that

> their meat-eating is wrong, and so your vegetarians serve them as a

> constant reminder that they are a bad person. To protect their

ego,

> the meat-eater instead projects their negative feelings

(unconsiously

> of course) onto you, the vegetarian. This prevents them from

> anxiety, as they can now say " I'm not bad, you are " .

>

> #3 Closet-vegetarian theory- This theory is based on recent

> psychological evidence that violent homophobes, or " gay-bashers "

> often actually have repressed homosexual tendencies themselves.

(e.g.

> when men scoring high on a homo-phobia quiz were shown gay porn,

they

> became physiologically aroused). With closet-veggie theory, the

> hostile meat-eater has vegetarian tendencies. However, it is too

> horrific to admit so they repress the tendencies and attack all

> vegetarians to affirm their carnivorousness, lest anyone suspect

them

> of being a " soy fag " .

>

> #4 Jerk theory- The hostile vegetarians have a personality trait of

> jerkiness, whether inherited or learned, which causes them to be,

> well, a jerk.

>

> So I hope I have cleared things up for you ;)

 

 

 

daveo,

 

speaking on that subject at hand and i know i haven't post anything

since my invite in this club, i know that some meat-eaters don't have

the drive that u have, not being a hypocrite i eat fish, chicken, and

turkey, and i was a vegetarian at one time and i love being on a

vegetarian diet but the reason that i fell on the wayside is that i

can't afford 2 be 1, if i had a high paying job i would love 2 go

back 2 my diet, i been on both side of the fence meat-eater and

vegetarian and i have no problem with the vegetarian cause they r

easy 2 feed lol, i am not hostile towards any vegetarians at all

cause i respect their diet and likewise they should respect that i

eat chicken, fish, and turkey, i don't eat red meat, pork cause its

against my religion and the doctor said i don't need 2 eat pork, no

shrimp, lobster etc, so if was invited 2 a vegetarian house 4 dinner

i have no problem with eat beans and rice, tofu or soy. i hope that i

don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i still don't eat alot

of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like i said i eat

chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i don't look at

vegetarians as jerks or evil people. by the way daveo what r u having

4 dinner? lol don't worry i can eat vegetarian dinner at ur house.

 

Madlion9

Dread Life

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I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm a little curious. How can you not

afford to be a vegetarian? I find beans, rice and simple veggies to be WAY

cheaper than meat, dairy and eggs!! Have hope!! I know the health-food-store

packaged foods can be expensive but there are many many other ways to go veg abd

save a great deal of money!!

 

Take Care,

Laurie

-

Pat Meadows

Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:44 AM

Re: Re: Just curious.... Why are there hostile

meat-eaters?

 

 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:01:13 -0000, you wrote:

 

 

>

>speaking on that subject at hand and i know i haven't post anything

>since my invite in this club, i know that some meat-eaters don't have

>the drive that u have, not being a hypocrite i eat fish, chicken, and

>turkey, and i was a vegetarian at one time and i love being on a

>vegetarian diet but the reason that i fell on the wayside is that i

>can't afford 2 be 1, if i had a high paying job i would love 2 go

>back 2 my diet, i been on both side of the fence meat-eater and

>vegetarian and i have no problem with the vegetarian cause they r

>easy 2 feed lol, i am not hostile towards any vegetarians at all

>cause i respect their diet and likewise they should respect that i

>eat chicken, fish, and turkey, i don't eat red meat, pork cause its

>against my religion and the doctor said i don't need 2 eat pork, no

>shrimp, lobster etc, so if was invited 2 a vegetarian house 4 dinner

>i have no problem with eat beans and rice, tofu or soy. i hope that i

>don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i still don't eat alot

>of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like i said i eat

>chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i don't look at

>vegetarians as jerks or evil people. by the way daveo what r u having

>4 dinner? lol don't worry i can eat vegetarian dinner at ur house.

>

 

I don't think Dave was talking about people like you - I

know I wasn't. :)

 

I don't think you'll be thrown out - I'm not a vegetarian at

the moment either.

 

Pat

-- Pat Meadows

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

 

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On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:08:35 -0000, you wrote:

 

 

>

>So I hope I have cleared things up for you ;)

>

Yup. ;)

 

Thanks for answering though: it's interesting, I've always

suspected that meat eaters (of which I am one, but not a

hostile one) deep down suspect that it's the wrong thing to

do and that's why the hostility.... discounting the person

who's a general-jerk in all respects, that is.

 

Interesting that you think so too, that seems to confirm my

suspicions.

 

Pat

-- Pat Meadows

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

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International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

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On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:01:13 -0000, you wrote:

 

 

>

>speaking on that subject at hand and i know i haven't post anything

>since my invite in this club, i know that some meat-eaters don't have

>the drive that u have, not being a hypocrite i eat fish, chicken, and

>turkey, and i was a vegetarian at one time and i love being on a

>vegetarian diet but the reason that i fell on the wayside is that i

>can't afford 2 be 1, if i had a high paying job i would love 2 go

>back 2 my diet, i been on both side of the fence meat-eater and

>vegetarian and i have no problem with the vegetarian cause they r

>easy 2 feed lol, i am not hostile towards any vegetarians at all

>cause i respect their diet and likewise they should respect that i

>eat chicken, fish, and turkey, i don't eat red meat, pork cause its

>against my religion and the doctor said i don't need 2 eat pork, no

>shrimp, lobster etc, so if was invited 2 a vegetarian house 4 dinner

>i have no problem with eat beans and rice, tofu or soy. i hope that i

>don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i still don't eat alot

>of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like i said i eat

>chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i don't look at

>vegetarians as jerks or evil people. by the way daveo what r u having

>4 dinner? lol don't worry i can eat vegetarian dinner at ur house.

>

 

I don't think Dave was talking about people like you - I

know I wasn't. :)

 

I don't think you'll be thrown out - I'm not a vegetarian at

the moment either.

 

Pat

-- Pat Meadows

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

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ROFL! I love the term " soy fag " . Thanks for the laugh.

:::coffeemug salute:::

 

~ PT ~

 

To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders.

-Lao-Tzu, philosopher (6th century BCE)

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, " dave <dave4sale> " <

dave4sale> wrote:

However, it is too

> horrific to admit so they repress the tendencies and attack all

> vegetarians to affirm their carnivorousness, lest anyone suspect

them

> of being a " soy fag " .

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You are most welcome here whether you still choose to eat meat or

decide

down the road to become vegetarian again. We have many folks here who

aren't vegetarian, but who enjoy the recipes and discussions on the

topics of

vegetarian cooking. All are welcome. The only sure fire ways to get

booted off

the list is to become a raving lunatic with a foul tongue or a

mutinous

weasel. I don't think you have anything to worry about there. *lol*

 

~ feral ~

 

What a man says drunk he has thought sober.

~ Flemish proverb

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madlion9> " <madlion9> wrote:

> don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i still don't eat

alot

> of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like i said i eat

> chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i don't look at

> vegetarians as jerks or evil people.

> Madlion9

> Dread Life

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Packaged foods are expensive. Since I've increased

protein in my diet, my grocery bills are almost as

high as they were when I was buying meat.

However, just living off of grains, fresh tofu and

veggies...It's VERY cheap:)

Warmly,

Allison

 

--- Laura Letizia <lletizia wrote:

> I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm a little

> curious. How can you not afford to be a vegetarian?

> I find beans, rice and simple veggies to be WAY

> cheaper than meat, dairy and eggs!! Have hope!! I

> know the health-food-store packaged foods can be

> expensive but there are many many other ways to go

> veg abd save a great deal of money!!

>

> Take Care,

> Laurie

> -

> Pat Meadows

>

> Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:44 AM

> Re: Re: Just

> curious.... Why are there hostile meat-eaters?

>

>

> On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:01:13 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

> >

> >speaking on that subject at hand and i know i

> haven't post anything

> >since my invite in this club, i know that some

> meat-eaters don't have

> >the drive that u have, not being a hypocrite i

> eat fish, chicken, and

> >turkey, and i was a vegetarian at one time and i

> love being on a

> >vegetarian diet but the reason that i fell on the

> wayside is that i

> >can't afford 2 be 1, if i had a high paying job i

> would love 2 go

> >back 2 my diet, i been on both side of the fence

> meat-eater and

> >vegetarian and i have no problem with the

> vegetarian cause they r

> >easy 2 feed lol, i am not hostile towards any

> vegetarians at all

> >cause i respect their diet and likewise they

> should respect that i

> >eat chicken, fish, and turkey, i don't eat red

> meat, pork cause its

> >against my religion and the doctor said i don't

> need 2 eat pork, no

> >shrimp, lobster etc, so if was invited 2 a

> vegetarian house 4 dinner

> >i have no problem with eat beans and rice, tofu

> or soy. i hope that i

> >don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i

> still don't eat alot

> >of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like

> i said i eat

> >chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i

> don't look at

> >vegetarians as jerks or evil people. by the way

> daveo what r u having

> >4 dinner? lol don't worry i can eat vegetarian

> dinner at ur house.

> >

>

> I don't think Dave was talking about people like

> you - I

> know I wasn't. :)

>

> I don't think you'll be thrown out - I'm not a

> vegetarian at

> the moment either.

>

> Pat

> -- Pat Meadows

> CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

> United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

> International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

>

>

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:55:46 -0800, you wrote:

 

>I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm a little curious. How can you not

afford to be a vegetarian? I find beans, rice and simple veggies to be WAY

cheaper than meat, dairy and eggs!! Have hope!! I know the health-food-store

packaged foods can be expensive but there are many many other ways to go veg abd

save a great deal of money!!

 

I think vegetarian food is - on the whole - cheaper. IF and

only if you cook basic foods from scratch: you cook beans

and rice, and so on. If you buy prepared products (veggie

burgers, fake meats, etc.), they are costly.

 

Pat

-- Pat Meadows

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

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the only thing i find more expensive is that i am

constantly buying produce; however its worth it.

 

 

--- Pat Meadows <pat wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:55:46 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm a little

> curious. How can you not afford to be a vegetarian?

> I find beans, rice and simple veggies to be WAY

> cheaper than meat, dairy and eggs!! Have hope!! I

> know the health-food-store packaged foods can be

> expensive but there are many many other ways to go

> veg abd save a great deal of money!!

>

> I think vegetarian food is - on the whole - cheaper.

> IF and

> only if you cook basic foods from scratch: you cook

> beans

> and rice, and so on. If you buy prepared products

> (veggie

> burgers, fake meats, etc.), they are costly.

>

> Pat

> -- Pat Meadows

> CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

> United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

> International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

>

 

 

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I search and search and then find,

 

We are the lotus.

 

 

 

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I've always considered veggie substitutes such as the patties, slices and

crumbles pricey compared to the real thing. All the frozen veggie dinners

are also higher priced.

I love health food stores such as Whole Foods, but the trip becomes more of

a browsing trip (to see what's new) as opposed to a hefty shopping one.

 

Shawn

 

 

 

 

 

" If, at first, you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment. "

" If, at first, you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. "

 

" The last four letters in " American " spell out " I Can " . "

 

" Everything's ok in the end, if it's not ok, it's not the end. "

 

 

 

 

 

----Original Message Follows----

" Laura Letizia " <lletizia

 

 

Re: Re: Just curious.... Why are there hostile

meat-eaters?

Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:55:46 -0800

 

I'm not trying to be disrespectful but I'm a little curious. How can you not

afford to be a vegetarian? I find beans, rice and simple veggies to be WAY

cheaper than meat, dairy and eggs!! Have hope!! I know the health-food-store

packaged foods can be expensive but there are many many other ways to go veg

abd save a great deal of money!!

 

Take Care,

Laurie

-

Pat Meadows

Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:44 AM

Re: Re: Just curious.... Why are there

hostile meat-eaters?

 

 

On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:01:13 -0000, you wrote:

 

 

>

>speaking on that subject at hand and i know i haven't post anything

>since my invite in this club, i know that some meat-eaters don't have

>the drive that u have, not being a hypocrite i eat fish, chicken, and

>turkey, and i was a vegetarian at one time and i love being on a

>vegetarian diet but the reason that i fell on the wayside is that i

>can't afford 2 be 1, if i had a high paying job i would love 2 go

>back 2 my diet, i been on both side of the fence meat-eater and

>vegetarian and i have no problem with the vegetarian cause they r

>easy 2 feed lol, i am not hostile towards any vegetarians at all

>cause i respect their diet and likewise they should respect that i

>eat chicken, fish, and turkey, i don't eat red meat, pork cause its

>against my religion and the doctor said i don't need 2 eat pork, no

>shrimp, lobster etc, so if was invited 2 a vegetarian house 4 dinner

>i have no problem with eat beans and rice, tofu or soy. i hope that i

>don't get thrown out of here cause of my post. i still don't eat alot

>of meat unless a friend of mine buys it and like i said i eat

>chicken, fish with fins and scales, and turkey. i don't look at

>vegetarians as jerks or evil people. by the way daveo what r u having

>4 dinner? lol don't worry i can eat vegetarian dinner at ur house.

>

 

I don't think Dave was talking about people like you - I

know I wasn't. :)

 

I don't think you'll be thrown out - I'm not a vegetarian at

the moment either.

 

Pat

-- Pat Meadows

CLICK DAILY TO FEED THE HUNGRY

United States: http://www.stopthehunger.com/

International: http://www.thehungersite.com/

 

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