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[FYI re: Iraq, oil, and a war... Definitely not for everybody in the

group.]

 

The New York Times

January 31, 2003

A War Crime or an Act of War?

By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

 

MECHANICSBURG, Pa. - It was no surprise that President Bush, lacking

smoking-gun evidence of Iraq's weapons programs, used his State of the Union

address to re-emphasize the moral case for an invasion: " The dictator who is

assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole

villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured. "

 

[is what we've heard the whole and complete story? Is it Saddam's war

crimes, oil, or " something else " entirely...?] The entire article is here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html?ei=1 & en=97b6c3c76ea6ff

e5 & ex=1045030380 & pagewanted=print & position=top

 

[it causes me to wonder...]

 

DaveO

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Forgive my blooper on the last email. The link didn't go thru correctly,

but the entire text link will get you to the correct page of The NY Times.

 

 

 

 

daveo [daveo]

 

[FYI re: Iraq, oil, and a war... Definitely not for everybody in the

group.]

 

The New York Times

January 31, 2003

A War Crime or an Act of War?

By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

 

MECHANICSBURG, Pa. - It was no surprise that President Bush, lacking

smoking-gun evidence of Iraq's weapons programs, used his State of the Union

address to re-emphasize the moral case for an invasion: " The dictator who is

assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole

villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured. "

 

[is what we've heard the whole and complete story? Is it Saddam's war

crimes, oil, or " something else " entirely...?] The entire article is here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html?ei=1 & en=97b6c3c76ea6ff

e5 & ex=1045030380 & pagewanted=print & position=top

 

[it causes me to wonder...]

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

 

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That is a very interresting article, thank you daveo. I would think

that if the Bush administration had given any thought to the other

countries being deprived of Iraq's river access that he would've

mentioned that at some point. it is probably not as compelling a

reason for war as the genocide argument, but it might convince people

who were otherwise against it. My guess is that Bush has no plans to

pursue the " peace pipeline " because that would cost a lot of money.

But high cost hasn't stopped him from all his tax break plans, has it?

 

 

, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> [FYI re: Iraq, oil, and a war... Definitely not for everybody in

the

> group.]

>

> The New York Times

> January 31, 2003

> A War Crime or an Act of War?

> By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

>

> MECHANICSBURG, Pa. - It was no surprise that President Bush, lacking

> smoking-gun evidence of Iraq's weapons programs, used his State of

the Union

> address to re-emphasize the moral case for an invasion: " The

dictator who is

> assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them

on whole

> villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or

disfigured. "

>

> [is what we've heard the whole and complete story? Is it Saddam's

war

> crimes, oil, or " something else " entirely...?] The entire article

is here:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html?

ei=1 & en=97b6c3c76ea6ff

> e5 & ex=1045030380 & pagewanted=print & position=top

>

> [it causes me to wonder...]

>

> DaveO

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While many articles like this have crossed my desk, most of minimal interest

to this group, I only posted a few related to imminent war. In the bigger

picture, the recent move on Afghanistan after 911 and other nearby countries

has been planned for decades and well documented in the mainstream press

albeit usually buried far from the front page.

 

I believe the " peace pipeline " is a done deal!! If the Arab States don't

pay for it, we unfortunately will as one of the thousands of federal

off-budget items!!

 

Where do you think the " big wigs " at Enron got all of their ideas for doing

the kind of creative accounting that got them into so much trouble?

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

 

dave <dave4sale [dave4sale]

 

That is a very interresting article, thank you daveo. I would think

that if the Bush administration had given any thought to the other

countries being deprived of Iraq's river access that he would've

mentioned that at some point. it is probably not as compelling a

reason for war as the genocide argument, but it might convince people

who were otherwise against it. My guess is that Bush has no plans to

pursue the " peace pipeline " because that would cost a lot of money.

But high cost hasn't stopped him from all his tax break plans, has it?

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lol you're probably right.. I bet Dubbya plans on announcing the

peace pipeline as if it were his idea after he takes over Iraq, since

most people probably haven't heard of it.

 

, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> While many articles like this have crossed my desk, most of minimal

interest

> to this group, I only posted a few related to imminent war. In the

bigger

> picture, the recent move on Afghanistan after 911 and other nearby

countries

> has been planned for decades and well documented in the mainstream

press

> albeit usually buried far from the front page.

>

> I believe the " peace pipeline " is a done deal!! If the Arab States

don't

> pay for it, we unfortunately will as one of the thousands of federal

> off-budget items!!

>

> Where do you think the " big wigs " at Enron got all of their ideas

for doing

> the kind of creative accounting that got them into so much trouble?

>

> DaveO

>

>

>

>

>

> dave <dave4sale> [dave4sale]

>

> That is a very interresting article, thank you daveo. I would

think

> that if the Bush administration had given any thought to the other

> countries being deprived of Iraq's river access that he would've

> mentioned that at some point. it is probably not as compelling a

> reason for war as the genocide argument, but it might convince

people

> who were otherwise against it. My guess is that Bush has no plans

to

> pursue the " peace pipeline " because that would cost a lot of money.

> But high cost hasn't stopped him from all his tax break plans, has

it?

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Very interesting...I posted this NYT item two days ago.

 

This morning, the story shows up as a CNN feature from Lester Holt to be

aired later today. DaveO

 

 

 

 

daveo [daveo]

 

[FYI re: Iraq, oil, and a war... Definitely not for everybody in the

group.]

 

The New York Times

January 31, 2003

A War Crime or an Act of War?

By STEPHEN C. PELLETIERE

 

MECHANICSBURG, Pa. - It was no surprise that President Bush, lacking

smoking-gun evidence of Iraq's weapons programs, used his State of the Union

address to re-emphasize the moral case for an invasion: " The dictator who is

assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole

villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured. "

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I just wonder what made Collin Powell...Mr.

Diplomat...To turn around and be 100% supportive of

the war. I'm definitely not pro war with Iraq. We

can sit around and point fingers and assume all we

want. Either way, it's a waste of time and money.

However, I am very suspicious of what the slanted

media (such as the New York Times or CNN) covers.

This is very liberal media and everything they cover

is extremely (ridiculously) biased.

Warmly,

Allison

 

 

--- daveo <daveo wrote:

>

> Very interesting...I posted this NYT item two days

> ago.

>

> This morning, the story shows up as a CNN feature

> from Lester Holt to be

> aired later today. DaveO

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Regardless of the left-right issue, I'm hopeful to avoid this war at all

reasonable costs. You're right on that Mr. Powell certainly is a hard man

to read!

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

Allison Nations [allyanne2001]

 

I just wonder what made Collin Powell...Mr.

Diplomat...To turn around and be 100% supportive of

the war. I'm definitely not pro war with Iraq. We

can sit around and point fingers and assume all we

want. Either way, it's a waste of time and money.

However, I am very suspicious of what the slanted

media (such as the New York Times or CNN) covers.

This is very liberal media and everything they cover

is extremely (ridiculously) biased.

Warmly,

Allison

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don't blame mr. powell. he's just like mr. bush, and

he's doing what he's told to do.

 

blame the socialist leaders in venezuela for being so

arrogant as to assume they should have rights in their

country, and no longer be subject to the desires of

american oil corporations. if it wasnt for venezuela

dropping it's oil production radically in favour of

raising the living standards of its people (to, say,

dare i dream, half the living standards we take for

granted here), there would be no war in iraq. im

assuming soon enough, there will be a military coup or

assassination, and those evil democratic venezuelans

will have a good ole puppet dictator to ensure their

freedoms will be taken care of vis a vis salvador

allende/ augosto pinochet/ chile/ united fruit/ a la

CIA assisted assasination.:D

 

-k-

 

not that other countries arent just as bad.

 

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Where is this beauty?

 

I search and search and then find,

 

We are the lotus.

 

 

 

Om Mani Padme Hum

 

 

 

 

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Yes, I am too. If you're interested, I can forward

you some great stuff Ron Paul has written concerning

the war. As we all know, he is extremely conservative

and very much AGAINST the war.

Warmly,

Allison

 

--- daveo <daveo wrote:

>

> Regardless of the left-right issue, I'm hopeful to

> avoid this war at all

> reasonable costs. You're right on that Mr. Powell

> certainly is a hard man

> to read!

>

> DaveO

>

>

>

>

> Allison Nations

> [allyanne2001]

>

> I just wonder what made Collin Powell...Mr.

> Diplomat...To turn around and be 100% supportive of

> the war. I'm definitely not pro war with Iraq. We

> can sit around and point fingers and assume all we

> want. Either way, it's a waste of time and money.

> However, I am very suspicious of what the slanted

> media (such as the New York Times or CNN) covers.

> This is very liberal media and everything they cover

> is extremely (ridiculously) biased.

> Warmly,

> Allison

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Michael A Miles

Helene L Kaplan

Franklin A Thomas

Donald V Fites

Michael A Henry

Carl E Reichardt

Donald F McHenry

Sam Nunn

 

 

 

=====

 

Where is this beauty?

 

I search and search and then find,

 

We are the lotus.

 

 

 

Om Mani Padme Hum

 

 

 

 

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I'm happy to see the info you describe.

 

As I've said before, the issue for me is not left or right but the

protection of " rights " of all citizens, and sadly, both political wings have

done their fair share of subverting those rights. Reading widely on both

sides IMHO provides a more focused image of what's really happening in that

" political fog of war. "

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

Allison Nations [allyanne2001]

 

Yes, I am too. If you're interested, I can forward

you some great stuff Ron Paul has written concerning

the war. As we all know, he is extremely conservative

and very much AGAINST the war.

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Can you be a little more specific? I recognize a number of names but don't

see an overall connection between them.

 

DaveO

 

 

 

 

Mr.Graves [sleepingtao]

 

Michael A Miles

Helene L Kaplan

Franklin A Thomas

Donald V Fites

Michael A Henry

Carl E Reichardt

Donald F McHenry

Sam Nunn

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" Truer words " have probably never been uttered. You could be in big trouble

now, PT.

 

DaveO

 

 

 

~ P_T ~ <patchouli_troll

 

My guess: the CFR!

Or maybe the Illuminati!

::: looks outside for black helicopters:::

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LOL! I'm always in trouble. I think that's why " they " are always

spraying my

town with chemtrails. hehehe

:::sneeze:::

 

~ P_T ~

 

Never trust a man who speaks well of everybody.

~ John Churton Collins

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

, " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote:

>

> " Truer words " have probably never been uttered. You could be in

big trouble

> now, PT.

>

> DaveO

>

>

>

> ~ P_T ~ <patchouli_troll>

>

> My guess: the CFR!

> Or maybe the Illuminati!

> ::: looks outside for black helicopters:::

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:11:47 -0800, you wrote:

 

>

>Mr.Graves [sleepingtao]

>

>>>don't blame mr. powell. he's just like mr. bush, and

>he's doing what he's told to do.<<

>

>Told by whom?

>

By their corporate puppetmasters, of course.

 

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