Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

[Guest guest]

OK, I've been listening to all this and I am finally going to put in my .02

 

1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think alike. Every person has a right to their own opinion and has the right to state that opinion in the proper forum, whether I like what they say or not. I can learn something from everyone and from every point of view (even learning something from an opposing view that gives me something to support my own view).

 

2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme Disease or West Nile Virus, or scratch themselves sick with infection from biting flies and mosquitos, I feel I have a responsibility to prevent such suffering. However, the chemicals they use in some of these repellants and pesticides are probably going to do harm to the ones I am trying to protect. Since these chemicals won't be swallowed, even though they will be absorbed into the body when put on the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do try to keep our environment as free as possible from such insects by removing standing water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one of these insects in my house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it!

 

3) I teach my kids to respect and care for our earth, the animals, all living things.

 

3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger.

 

Lauren

[Guest guest]

This is why people on the list should have stuck on topic instead of engaging in a pissing content over who was the bigger animal lover. Now we're talking about abortion.

 

Can we end this before I have to start bringing up my views on children (I'm childfree for moral reasons)?

 

Preston

 

Scheer Family [scheer]Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

OK, I've been listening to all this and I am finally going to put in my .02

 

1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think alike. Every person has a right to their own opinion and has the right to state that opinion in the proper forum, whether I like what they say or not. I can learn something from everyone and from every point of view (even learning something from an opposing view that gives me something to support my own view).

 

2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme Disease or West Nile Virus, or scratch themselves sick with infection from biting flies and mosquitos, I feel I have a responsibility to prevent such suffering. However, the chemicals they use in some of these repellants and pesticides are probably going to do harm to the ones I am trying to protect. Since these chemicals won't be swallowed, even though they will be absorbed into the body when put on the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do try to keep our environment as free as possible from such insects by removing standing water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one of these insects in my house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it!

 

3) I teach my kids to respect and care for our earth, the animals, all living things.

 

3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger.

 

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[Guest guest]

Good stuff here Lauren, do you have any good recipes?

[Guest guest]

I wish I did - but with a son allergic to wheat, corn, tomatoes, peanuts, chocolate, tuna and vinegar, I don't think any of you would like anything I cook! LOL!!

 

I have to take what you all post and some things I can use, and the rest I have to change (and it doesn't taste nearly as good as the original).

 

Let's see, I have a vinegar-free mayo and mustard recipes, wheat-free pastas, breads, pizza crust, etc. I have a great tomato sauce substitute - but its made from zucchini, so its green.

 

Lauren

 

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Kendra Blythe

Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:44 PM

Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

Good stuff here Lauren, do you have any good recipes?contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

[Guest guest]

That zucchini sauce sounds interesting! Kendra

[Guest guest]

Well, I just had to say something. Lauren, I agree with what you say

until the end, but that is me. I don't what to get into that. However,

I also teach my kids to respect the earth, my father did the same for

me. My brother that does not kill one bug. He used to sit in a ant hill

and let them crawl all over him, and spiders etc. Now to the person that

asked the (?) have you and do you do that? Just a question. No harm to

you. I was not going to answer this question, because I do kill some

bugs, not all. I just have a thing about bugs, and when you could die

from one sting, you run. I can tell you I leave them alone, but if they

are in my house I find a way to get them out or they are bye - bye. (

Every person has a right to their own opinion and has the right to state

that opinion ) So true.

Just my 2 cents

Nieves

 

Scheer Family wrote:

 

> OK, I've been listening to all this and I am finally going to put in

> my .02 1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think alike. Every

> person has a right to their own opinion and has the right to state

> that opinion in the proper forum, whether I like what they say or

> not. I can learn something from everyone and from every point of view

> (even learning something from an opposing view that gives me something

> to support my own view). 2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme

> Disease or West Nile Virus, or scratch themselves sick with infection

> from biting flies and mosquitos, I feel I have a responsibility to

> prevent such suffering. However, the chemicals they use in some of

> these repellants and pesticides are probably going to do harm to the

> ones I am trying to protect. Since these chemicals won't be

> swallowed, even though they will be absorbed into the body when put on

> the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do try to keep our

> environment as free as possible from such insects by removing standing

> water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one of these insects in

> my house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it! 3) I teach my kids to respect

> and care for our earth, the animals, all living things. 3) I know I'm

> probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion

> we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies?

> Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their

> bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk

> of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest,

> life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of

> my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was

> smaller than my little finger. Lauren

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI,

Lauren, It sounds like my house with all the allergies, but it's my

daughter and myself. So that green sauce , I would try it. Give it up

girl. he he he

We buy spelt bread, have you tried that?

Nieves

 

Scheer Family wrote:

 

> I wish I did - but with a son allergic to wheat, corn, tomatoes,

> peanuts, chocolate, tuna and vinegar, I don't think any of you would

> like anything I cook! LOL!! I have to take what you all post and some

> things I can use, and the rest I have to change (and it doesn't taste

> nearly as good as the original). Let's see, I have a vinegar-free mayo

> and mustard recipes, wheat-free pastas, breads, pizza crust, etc. I

> have a great tomato sauce substitute - but its made from zucchini, so

> its green. Lauren

>

> -

> Kendra Blythe

>

> Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:44 PM

> Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion,

> delete if you don't want it

> Good stuff here Lauren, do you have any good recipes?

>

>

> contact owner: -owner

> Mail list:

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> List-Un: -

>

> no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed

> contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list

> or anything else. Thank you.

> please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You might want to take a moment to remember who and

how this all got started. There are trouble makers

everywhere on the internet, you just happen to have a

very good one here on this list. I have found the best

way to deal with them is to engage the delete key

whenever I see their names on the " from " line.

 

I am an animal lover, activist and vegetarian and I'm

damned proud of it. But I came here for the veggie

recipes. I've got AR lists coming out of my ying

yang, what I need are good veggie recipes.

Cheers

Cher

 

 

--- Preston Crawford <prestonc

wrote:

> This is why people on the list should have stuck on

> topic instead of

> engaging in a pissing content over who was the

> bigger animal lover. Now

> we're talking about abortion.

>

> Can we end this before I have to start bringing up

> my views on children (I'm

> childfree for moral reasons)?

>

> Preston

>

> Scheer Family [scheer]

> Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:20 AM

>

> Re: Re: Bugs - my

> opinion, delete if you don't

> want it

>

>

> OK, I've been listening to all this and I am

> finally going to put in my

> .02

>

> 1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think

> alike. Every person has a

> right to their own opinion and has the right to

> state that opinion in the

> proper forum, whether I like what they say or not.

> I can learn something

> from everyone and from every point of view (even

> learning something from an

> opposing view that gives me something to support my

> own view).

>

> 2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme

> Disease or West Nile Virus,

> or scratch themselves sick with infection from

> biting flies and mosquitos, I

> feel I have a responsibility to prevent such

> suffering. However, the

> chemicals they use in some of these repellants and

> pesticides are probably

> going to do harm to the ones I am trying to protect.

> Since these chemicals

> won't be swallowed, even though they will be

> absorbed into the body when put

> on the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do

> try to keep our

> environment as free as possible from such insects by

> removing standing

> water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one

> of these insects in my

> house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it!

>

> 3) I teach my kids to respect and care for our

> earth, the animals, all

> living things.

>

> 3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for

> this one, but with all the

> compassion we have for insects, why don't we have

> compassion for unborn

> babies? Women do have the right to choose what they

> want to do with their

> bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active,

> then there is a risk of

> pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for

> rape, incest, life of

> the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the

> ultrasound of my little

> 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he

> was smaller than my

> little finger.

>

> Lauren

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, the reason I posted my message was sort-of tongue-in-cheek to show how off-topic it got and to get us back to recipes. I really didn't mean anything rude . . .

 

Lauren

 

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Cheryl Jewhurst

Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:07 PM

RE: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

You might want to take a moment to remember who andhow this all got started. There are trouble makerseverywhere on the internet, you just happen to have avery good one here on this list. I have found the bestway to deal with them is to engage the delete keywhenever I see their names on the "from" line. I am an animal lover, activist and vegetarian and I'mdamned proud of it. But I came here for the veggierecipes. I've got AR lists coming out of my yingyang, what I need are good veggie recipes.CheersCher --- Preston Crawford <prestoncwrote:> This is why people on the list should have stuck on> topic instead of> engaging in a pissing content over who was the> bigger animal lover. Now> we're talking about abortion.> > Can we end this before I have to start bringing up> my views on children (I'm> childfree for moral reasons)?> > Preston> > Scheer Family [scheer]> Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:20 AM> > Re: Re: Bugs - my> opinion, delete if you don't> want it> > > OK, I've been listening to all this and I am> finally going to put in my> .02> > 1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think> alike. Every person has a> right to their own opinion and has the right to> state that opinion in the> proper forum, whether I like what they say or not. > I can learn something> from everyone and from every point of view (even> learning something from an> opposing view that gives me something to support my> own view).> > 2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme> Disease or West Nile Virus,> or scratch themselves sick with infection from> biting flies and mosquitos, I> feel I have a responsibility to prevent such> suffering. However, the> chemicals they use in some of these repellants and> pesticides are probably> going to do harm to the ones I am trying to protect.> Since these chemicals> won't be swallowed, even though they will be> absorbed into the body when put> on the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do> try to keep our> environment as free as possible from such insects by> removing standing> water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one> of these insects in my> house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it!> > 3) I teach my kids to respect and care for our> earth, the animals, all> living things.> > 3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for> this one, but with all the> compassion we have for insects, why don't we have> compassion for unborn> babies? Women do have the right to choose what they> want to do with their> bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active,> then there is a risk of> pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for> rape, incest, life of> the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the> ultrasound of my little> 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he> was smaller than my> little finger.> > Lauren> >

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with Preston. This is a group for recipes. I joined the list because I wanted to eat healthier and make healthy things for my family. I have only been a member of the group for a few days and I'm ready to already.

 

Jennifer

 

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Preston Crawford

Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:22 PM

RE: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

This is why people on the list should have stuck on topic instead of engaging in a pissing content over who was the bigger animal lover. Now we're talking about abortion.

 

Can we end this before I have to start bringing up my views on children (I'm childfree for moral reasons)?

 

Preston

 

Scheer Family [scheer]Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

OK, I've been listening to all this and I am finally going to put in my .02

 

1) No 2 people are completely alike, nor think alike. Every person has a right to their own opinion and has the right to state that opinion in the proper forum, whether I like what they say or not. I can learn something from everyone and from every point of view (even learning something from an opposing view that gives me something to support my own view).

 

2) When my kids/animals can suffer with Lyme Disease or West Nile Virus, or scratch themselves sick with infection from biting flies and mosquitos, I feel I have a responsibility to prevent such suffering. However, the chemicals they use in some of these repellants and pesticides are probably going to do harm to the ones I am trying to protect. Since these chemicals won't be swallowed, even though they will be absorbed into the body when put on the skin, they are not rigorously tested. I do try to keep our environment as free as possible from such insects by removing standing water, sealing trash bags, etc. But if I find one of these insects in my house OF COURSE I'm going to kill it!

 

3) I teach my kids to respect and care for our earth, the animals, all living things.

 

3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger.

 

Laurencontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

[Guest guest]

Yes, we tried spelt, but he reacted to it. Although that was three years ago, so we are due for a challenge to it. It would be nice to have spelt, as spelt has gluten and breads won't be so crumbly. I do make barley bread, but he doesn't like the taste.

 

Lauren

 

-

Nieves

Thursday, August 02, 2001 5:05 PM

Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

HI,Lauren, It sounds like my house with all the allergies, but it's mydaughter and myself. So that green sauce , I would try it. Give it upgirl. he he heWe buy spelt bread, have you tried that?NievesScheer Family wrote:> I wish I did - but with a son allergic to wheat, corn, tomatoes,> peanuts, chocolate, tuna and vinegar, I don't think any of you would> like anything I cook! LOL!! I have to take what you all post and some> things I can use, and the rest I have to change (and it doesn't taste> nearly as good as the original). Let's see, I have a vinegar-free mayo> and mustard recipes, wheat-free pastas, breads, pizza crust, etc. I> have a great tomato sauce substitute - but its made from zucchini, so> its green. Lauren>> -> Kendra Blythe> > Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:44 PM> Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion,> delete if you don't want it> Good stuff here Lauren, do you have any good recipes?>>> contact owner: -owner > Mail list: > Delivered-mailing list > List-Un: - >> no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowed> contact owner with complaints regarding posting/list> or anything else. Thank you.> please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list>>>>

[Guest guest]

Boy, that must really bug you that a couple like my wife and I CAN have children yet are choosing not to and will probably get "fixed" one of these days so it's a sure thing.

 

Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids who need a home.

 

Preston

 

Mary [vanoravanora]Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

>3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger. <

 

You are making an assumption that we are all pro choice. However, I use to be pro life until I became infertile.

I now understand what woman who DOESNT want to have kids must feel like.... because I am on the total opposite side of the spectrum wanting kids, hoping for kids and not having the choice to have them.

My choice was taken away... basically.

I'll be damned if I do that to someone else.

As far as insects causing diseases, I understand where you are coming from. I watched a show on discovery about these really gross bugs that carry deadly diseases that have no cure... it was really horrible.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I'm not "attacking" you. You gave your opinion on fertility and I gave mine. Point being that on the off chance my "cursing" or childfree lifestyle offends you, or other peoples' lifestyle offends me, then maybe we could stick to recipes and refrain from getting political.

 

Preston

 

Mary [vanoravanora]Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

actually, i could care less what you choose to do with your life...have kids, don't have kids.. whoopie.

How mean and nasty can you be...

As for adoption... well, that isn't exactly an option and NO I won't explain why..

I've posted serveral recipes...

AFTER this message was originaly sent, I even apologised for posting some of these things.. and yet I am STILL being attacked.

 

 

 

 

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Preston Crawford

Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:35 PM

RE: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

Boy, that must really bug you that a couple like my wife and I CAN have children yet are choosing not to and will probably get "fixed" one of these days so it's a sure thing.

 

Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids who need a home.

 

Preston

 

Mary [vanoravanora]Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

>3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger. <

 

You are making an assumption that we are all pro choice. However, I use to be pro life until I became infertile.

I now understand what woman who DOESNT want to have kids must feel like.... because I am on the total opposite side of the spectrum wanting kids, hoping for kids and not having the choice to have them.

My choice was taken away... basically.

I'll be damned if I do that to someone else.

As far as insects causing diseases, I understand where you are coming from. I watched a show on discovery about these really gross bugs that carry deadly diseases that have no cure... it was really horrible.

 

 

 

-------------------------------~*Mary*~Founder of "The Nuzzled Network"www.nuzzled.net

 

"Our day will come if we just wait awhile"-Ruby and the Romanticscontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

[Guest guest]

actually, i could care less what you choose to do with your life...have kids, don't have kids.. whoopie.

How mean and nasty can you be...

As for adoption... well, that isn't exactly an option and NO I won't explain why..

I've posted serveral recipes...

AFTER this message was originaly sent, I even apologised for posting some of these things.. and yet I am STILL being attacked.

 

 

 

 

-

Preston Crawford

Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:35 PM

RE: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

Boy, that must really bug you that a couple like my wife and I CAN have children yet are choosing not to and will probably get "fixed" one of these days so it's a sure thing.

 

Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids who need a home.

 

Preston

 

Mary [vanoravanora]Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

>3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger. <

 

You are making an assumption that we are all pro choice. However, I use to be pro life until I became infertile.

I now understand what woman who DOESNT want to have kids must feel like.... because I am on the total opposite side of the spectrum wanting kids, hoping for kids and not having the choice to have them.

My choice was taken away... basically.

I'll be damned if I do that to someone else.

As far as insects causing diseases, I understand where you are coming from. I watched a show on discovery about these really gross bugs that carry deadly diseases that have no cure... it was really horrible.

 

 

 

-------------------------------~*Mary*~Founder of "The Nuzzled Network"www.nuzzled.net

 

"Our day will come if we just wait awhile"-Ruby and the Romanticscontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list

[Guest guest]

Are you people out of your friggin' minds? This is a group for recipes! I don't give a damn what your reasons are for using a meat free diet. There are other groups available for you to whine and cry about abortion or eating bugs or what ever the hell you'd like. Grow up guys ...let's keep this on topic. Any good recipes for fetus? Oh sorry...that's meat.

 

---- Original Message -----

 

Mary

Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:22 PM

Re: Re: Bugs - my opinion, delete if you don't want it

 

 

>3) I know I'm probably going to get killed for this one, but with all the compassion we have for insects, why don't we have compassion for unborn babies? Women do have the right to choose what they want to do with their bodies, but if they choose to be sexually active, then there is a risk of pregnancy (I do believe an exception can be made for rape, incest, life of the mother). I was pro-choice until I saw the ultrasound of my little 8-week-old son's little heart beating away when he was smaller than my little finger. <

 

You are making an assumption that we are all pro choice. However, I use to be pro life until I became infertile.

I now understand what woman who DOESNT want to have kids must feel like.... because I am on the total opposite side of the spectrum wanting kids, hoping for kids and not having the choice to have them.

My choice was taken away... basically.

I'll be damned if I do that to someone else.

As far as insects causing diseases, I understand where you are coming from. I watched a show on discovery about these really gross bugs that carry deadly diseases that have no cure... it was really horrible.

 

 

 

-------------------------------~*Mary*~Founder of "The Nuzzled Network"www.nuzzled.net

 

"Our day will come if we just wait awhile"-Ruby and the Romanticscontact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list