Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 i just went with a friend of mine to buy organic petfood for her dog at a place called animal house in san francisco. i was excited to find that they sell meat free dog " bones " there and told my friend i wanted to buy her dog one. the owner overheard me and yells across the store, " is your dog vegan? " and i said " no my friend's dog is not a vegan, but i am " and she said loudly and righteously " good because dogs are not meant to be and its really not our place to make those choices for our pets. if you want to be vegan fine, but its just wrong to do that to a dog. " i said " dogs can live a very long and healthy life as vegans and i know many dogs who do. " and she got louder and said " show me one dog in the wild that doesn't eat meat. forcing your dog to be vegan is just selfish " and i said " and do you think its fair to kill other animals so that our dogs can eat them when they can be perfectly healthy and happy on a vegan diet? " this went back and forth and many customers overheard our debating and her tone was so infuriating that i just said " look, we obviously feel very differently about this and im happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that. " what's so upsetting is that animal house advertises themselves as being an organic healthy dog food store and im sure many conscious people shop there and potentially get persuaded by her terrible advice. i want to send her literature or something. any suggestions? -j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi Joelle,Alicia Silverstone has a bunch of vegan dogs and has done many interviews (with pictures) of her dogs, who eat V-Dog, I believe. PETA Times (the magazine) featured her with her dogs last year (maybe the spring issue?). You are correct that many dogs live long and healthful lives on vegan diets, but it does not work for every breed of dog. I am an ethical vegan, and last year rescued two retired racing greyhounds, one from a track in Colorado and one from Kansas City. Unfortunately for me (and them) their bodies just did not tolerate it (they came off the track eating 4-D meat, very disgusting stuff).Warmest wishes,Cay Snow--- On Fri, 7/24/09, Joelle Katcher <joellesk wrote:Joelle Katcher <joellesk grrrrr....."BAV mail list" Friday, July 24, 2009, 3:30 PM i just went with a friend of mine to buy organic petfood for her dog at a place called animal house in san francisco. i was excited to find that they sell meat free dog "bones" there and told my friend i wanted to buy her dog one. the owner overheard me and yells across the store, "is your dog vegan?" and i said "no my friend's dog is not a vegan, but i am" and she said loudly and righteously "good because dogs are not meant to be and its really not our place to make those choices for our pets. if you want to be vegan fine, but its just wrong to do that to a dog." i said "dogs can live a very long and healthy life as vegans and i know many dogs who do." and she got louder and said "show me one dog in the wild that doesn't eat meat. forcing your dog to be vegan is just selfish" and i said " and do you think its fair to kill other animals so that our dogs can eat them when they can be perfectly healthy and happy on a vegan diet?" this went back and forth and many customers overheard our debating and her tone was so infuriating that i just said "look, we obviously feel very differently about this and im happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that." what's so upsetting is that animal house advertises themselves as being an organic healthy dog food store and im sure many conscious people shop there and potentially get persuaded by her terrible advice. i want to send her literature or something. any suggestions? -j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 wow. that sounds awful! sorry you had to go through that. ~will Joelle Katcher <joelleskBAV mail list Friday, July 24, 2009 3:30:07 PM grrrrr..... i just went with a friend of mine to buy organic petfood for her dogat a place called animal house in san francisco. i was excited to findthat they sell meat free dog "bones" there and told my friend i wantedto buy her dog one. the owner overheard me and yells across the store,"is your dog vegan?" and i said "no my friend's dog is not a vegan,but i am" and she said loudly and righteously "good because dogs arenot meant to be and its really not our place to make those choices forour pets. if you want to be vegan fine, but its just wrong to do thatto a dog." i said "dogs can live a very long and healthy life asvegans and i know many dogs who do." and she got louder and said "showme one dog in the wild that doesn't eat meat. forcing your dog to bevegan is just selfish" and i said " and do you think its fair to killother animals so that our dogs can eat them when they can be perfectlyhealthy and happy on a vegan diet?" this went back and forth and manycustomers overheard our debating and her tone was so infuriating thati just said "look, we obviously feel very differently about this andim happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that." what's soupsetting is that animal house advertises themselves as being anorganic healthy dog food store and im sure many conscious people shopthere and potentially get persuaded by her terrible advice. i want tosend her literature or something. any suggestions?-j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 I don't know about raising dogs on vegan food, but I do know that our dogs lived to a ripe old age of around 16-18 on an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet (i.e. vegetarian + eggs + milk). And speaking of dogs: here's a photo that made me smile: http://coolfotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/dog-kid.jpg Ajay On 07/24/2009 03:30 PM, Joelle Katcher wrote: > i just went with a friend of mine to buy organic petfood for her dog > at a place called animal house in san francisco. i was excited to find > that they sell meat free dog " bones " there and told my friend i wanted > to buy her dog one. the owner overheard me and yells across the store, > " is your dog vegan? " and i said " no my friend's dog is not a vegan, > but i am " and she said loudly and righteously " good because dogs are > not meant to be and its really not our place to make those choices for > our pets. if you want to be vegan fine, but its just wrong to do that > to a dog. " i said " dogs can live a very long and healthy life as > vegans and i know many dogs who do. " and she got louder and said " show > me one dog in the wild that doesn't eat meat. forcing your dog to be > vegan is just selfish " and i said " and do you think its fair to kill > other animals so that our dogs can eat them when they can be perfectly > healthy and happy on a vegan diet? " this went back and forth and many > customers overheard our debating and her tone was so infuriating that > i just said " look, we obviously feel very differently about this and > im happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that. " what's so > upsetting is that animal house advertises themselves as being an > organic healthy dog food store and im sure many conscious people shop > there and potentially get persuaded by her terrible advice. i want to > send her literature or something. any suggestions? > > -j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 i've known plenty of dogs who live very happy and healthy lives on a vegan diet. V-Dog is quite the dog food. in fact, it being vegan and all, i've been known to munch on it myself a bit from time to time. < = ....though i have a preference for the vegan dog biscuits. lol. all true. ~will Ajay S <ajaybootsJoelle Katcher <joelleskCc: BAV mail list Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:47:03 AMRe: grrrrr..... I don't know about raising dogs on vegan food,but I do know that our dogs lived to a ripeold age of around 16-18 on an ovo-lacto-vegetaria ndiet (i.e. vegetarian + eggs + milk).And speaking of dogs: here's a photo thatmade me smile:http://coolfotos. files.wordpress. com/2009/ 07/dog-kid. jpgAjayOn 07/24/2009 03:30 PM, Joelle Katcher wrote:> i just went with a friend of mine to buy organic petfood for her dog> at a place called animal house in san francisco. i was excited to find> that they sell meat free dog "bones" there and told my friend i wanted> to buy her dog one. the owner overheard me and yells across the store,> "is your dog vegan?" and i said "no my friend's dog is not a vegan,> but i am" and she said loudly and righteously "good because dogs are> not meant to be and its really not our place to make those choices for> our pets. if you want to be vegan fine, but its just wrong to do that> to a dog." i said "dogs can live a very long and healthy life as> vegans and i know many dogs who do." and she got louder and said "show> me one dog in the wild that doesn't eat meat. forcing your dog to be> vegan is just selfish" and i said " and do you think its fair to kill> other animals so that our dogs can eat them when they can be perfectly> healthy and happy on a vegan diet?" this went back and forth and many> customers overheard our debating and her tone was so infuriating that> i just said "look, we obviously feel very differently about this and> im happy to agree to disagree and leave it at that." what's so> upsetting is that animal house advertises themselves as being an> organic healthy dog food store and im sure many conscious people shop> there and potentially get persuaded by her terrible advice. i want to> send her literature or something. any suggestions?> > -j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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