Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Rawist wrote: > > I don't know. I'm a perfectionist, obsessed idealist at heart (every > raw fooder must have some of this in them). I hate to feel compelled > to eat anything. But sometimes I feel like I'm going to blow my > stack if I don't have an avocado or raw nuts. I believe most people > perceive a difference about these two foods, compared to the other > produce. I'd like to not depend on them, especially the raw nuts, > since they don't really fit into the fruitarian definition. I eat > the other fruits and vegetables but I never feel compelled to eat > them. It's too scary to think about life without avocados (and raw > nuts, to a lesser degree) and I don't like that feeling of > dependence. But my idealism will have to wait for another day if it > ever mainfests at all. I also want to stop watching all television > someday. I'm very sensitive to what bugs me. > > Rich > > rawfood , " Vegigran " <vegigran@h...> wrote: > > Could be the balance! > > Vegigran > > > > <<<< I do go to nuts mostly for > > the emotional relief. Why they supply it, I don't know. Same for > avocados.>>>>> > > > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Hi Rich, It is my personal opinion that in spite of all that has been written to the contrary, our bodies are not so much conditioned, as they are structured, for us to be omnivores and not frugivores. By this I do not wish it to be understood that I am advocating a high animal content in our diet - except if we choose to live in the arctic regions. In fact the empirical evidence suggests that the reverse is the case. Yet without it in some form or other, whether it be through insects, as in the chimpanzee's, or dairy as in the Hunza's, or meat as in the eskimo, all of which is consumed in its raw form, seems to be of little import. As to what do I eat. All of the above on regular, irregular basis via un-washed fruit and vegetables, organically grown, raw goats milk yoghurt, and raw fish. The regularity is according to the demands of my body which can vary according to circumstances such as the amount of physical activity, climatic conditions, amount of stress being exposed to, etc. Some times it may be on a daily basis. At others weekly, and even monthly or even bi-monthly or longer as the case may be. There appears to be no phase of living that is opposed to a raw food diet as long as the above conditions are observed. In the instance that they are not, then I would say that the most antagonistic phase to no animal intake is that of reproduction. Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile until they include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born deformed, with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name the two most outstanding conditions that I have observed. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Rawist wrote: > > What do you eat then? What phase of living would be antagonistic to > a raw food diet? Are you saying veganism and fruitarianism are not > practical because our bodies are conditioned a certain way over many > generations? We may have been raw meat eaters from the very > beginning, but that doesn't mean we were meant to be that way. Nice > farm in Australia by the way. I wish I lived in an arranged > community of spiritual growth where I could eat my raw food diet. > > Rich * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Dear Valerie, My assertions are from my own personal and clinical experience over a period of more than fourty years. And yes I can quite agree that women who have been following an SAD can become pregnant when changing to a raw food diet after being unable to conceive previously.. I would also wish to make the point, which appears to have been missed, that I am not suggesting that the eating of raw-foods was in any way inimical to life. In actual fact my premise is just the opposite. My point is that in the long term, a vegan or fruitarian diet, whether cooked or raw, has the propensity for producing the effects that I have listed. And having observed this, over many years, as a fairly common effect,am just sharing this information with you. It may well be argued that if I have had this experience, why haven't others ? From my investigations others have, and on the whole they have been ignored and side-lined. It is my belief that veganism is a lovely ideal, and most of us are idealists who become involved in taking care of our health and our planet. Idealism, in my view must also be linked to realism. And just as much as many authorities to day in the vegan world are acknowledging that its followers may experience deficiencies, particularly of vit B12 and are advocating supplementation, there appears to be a hiding of the head in the sand approach as to " why " this is occurring. I would like to say though, that it is my personal opinion that it is far more that a Vit B12 issue. That this is only the tip of the iceberg. That there are many factors involved, all of which we don't know and may never know. It is my further belief that we have traditionally supplied these necessary factors through the use of animal products, albeit in their raw form, as in raw yoghurts,kefir, sushimi,cappachio,steak tartare, raw eggs,insects,unwashed fruits and vegetables etc. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Valerie Mills Daly wrote: > Can you please site sources supporting your assertions in the last > paragraph re: the effects of deficiencies? My own experience with > people I am connected would suggest the reverse, but all I have is > anecdotal evidence. I know of women who were infertile for some years, > and following a change to a raw vegan diet came to conceive. It may > have been coincidental, but going raw did not seem to at least prevent > conception in those cases. I have not heard of children being born > with deficiencies when born of parents following a raw food diet. > Brain damage can result from a variety of factors, so stating that it > is the result of diet really needs to have more specific support. > > Thanks...Valerie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 What do you eat then? What phase of living would be antagonistic to a raw food diet? Are you saying veganism and fruitarianism are not practical because our bodies are conditioned a certain way over many generations? We may have been raw meat eaters from the very beginning, but that doesn't mean we were meant to be that way. Nice farm in Australia by the way. I wish I lived in an arranged community of spiritual growth where I could eat my raw food diet. Rich rawfood , " John L. Fielder " > Hi Rich, > > It is neither my wish, nor my intention that you should stop being an > idealist, or for that matter change from what you are - until such time > as you choose to do so of your own volition. My wish and intention is > purely to share my experience with your self and others on this list. > Let me also say that I might also be considered as an idealist too. > > In my own personal experience and in my professional life, I have not > found that fruitarianism in all its different hues, and veganism, to be > sustainable ways of living when applied to all phases of living and over > many generations. > > John > > John L. Fielder > > Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant > Academy of Natural Living > www.iig.com.au/anl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Can you please site sources supporting your assertions in the last paragraph re: the effects of deficiencies? My own experience with people I am connected would suggest the reverse, but all I have is anecdotal evidence. I know of women who were infertile for some years, and following a change to a raw vegan diet came to conceive. It may have been coincidental, but going raw did not seem to at least prevent conception in those cases. I have not heard of children being born with deficiencies when born of parents following a raw food diet. Brain damage can result from a variety of factors, so stating that it is the result of diet really needs to have more specific support. Thanks...Valerie " John L. Fielder " <academy.natural.living wrote: Hi Rich, It is my personal opinion that in spite of all that has been written to the contrary, our bodies are not so much conditioned, as they are structured, for us to be omnivores and not frugivores. By this I do not wish it to be understood that I am advocating a high animal content in our diet - except if we choose to live in the arctic regions. In fact the empirical evidence suggests that the reverse is the case. Yet without it in some form or other, whether it be through insects, as in the chimpanzee's, or dairy as in the Hunza's, or meat as in the eskimo, all of which is consumed in its raw form, seems to be of little import. As to what do I eat. All of the above on regular, irregular basis via un-washed fruit and vegetables, organically grown, raw goats milk yoghurt, and raw fish. The regularity is according to the demands of my body which can vary according to circumstances such as the amount of physical activity, climatic conditions, amount of stress being exposed to, etc. Some times it may be on a daily basis. At others weekly, and even monthly or even bi-monthly or longer as the case may be. There appears to be no phase of living that is opposed to a raw food diet as long as the above conditions are observed. In the instance that they are not, then I would say that the most antagonistic phase to no animal intake is that of reproduction. Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile until they include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born deformed, with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name the two most outstanding conditions that I have observed. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Rawist wrote: > > What do you eat then? What phase of living would be antagonistic to > a raw food diet? Are you saying veganism and fruitarianism are not > practical because our bodies are conditioned a certain way over many > generations? We may have been raw meat eaters from the very > beginning, but that doesn't mean we were meant to be that way. Nice > farm in Australia by the way. I wish I lived in an arranged > community of spiritual growth where I could eat my raw food diet. > > Rich * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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