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Bob & Breezi wrote:

 

>

> Breezi

>

> PS I really don't want you to post or send links of the articles you

> have

> read that made you come to the conclusions about this. If I want to read

> these I can go to the Beyond Vegetarianism site myself...although I

> started

> there and that is why I am now here! I am not trying to convince you to

> change your beliefs as I do not expect you to try to change mine so

> I'm not

> going to debate the issue with you. Again, I'm just tired of people

> like you

> posting on a group you know is vegan trying to convince us otherwise.

 

Hi Bob & Breezi,

 

Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not being aware that this

was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism was not open for

discussion.

 

John

 

>

>

>

> John L. Fielder

 

Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant

Academy of Natural Living

www.iig.com.au/anl

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John Fielder,

 

You wrote: <Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile until they

include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born deformed,

with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name the two most

outstanding conditions that I have observed.>

 

Just curious to know where you got this information? You do say this is your

observation but I am still curious to know how you came to this conclusion?

I have read many cases of women not being able to conceive and then becoming

raw vegan and being able to become pregnant w/out complications and

delivering healthy babies. As I said, I have read this on many occasions and

do not have the proof of these readings at hand nor the time to look them up

for you except for Jinjee and you can read about her and her raw pregnancies

and very healthy children at http://www.thegardendiet.com/.

 

To each his own but it never ceases to amazes me as to how many people come

to this raw vegan group to try to convince us to incorporate raw flesh, eggs

or the milk of animals into our diet in order for us to survive. Why are you

here? Don't you have a raw group that includes flesh that you can hang out

at and where you all share the same self concluded opinion that you need raw

flesh to survive? (If not I suggest you go to

http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml, you will fit right in). Does this

mean that all the well known medical doctors who tell us that flesh causes a

multitude of physical problems are wrong???? I don't mind you sharing with

us your raw life style as long as you share the VEGAN part. You need to go

the the site and reread what this group is about. It clearly states "

This group supports a Vegan Raw Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to

promote other diets. " I'm just running out of patience with those of you who

have a problem reading directions (maybe the flesh eating is giving you

brain fog).

Breezi

 

PS I really don't want you to post or send links of the articles you have

read that made you come to the conclusions about this. If I want to read

these I can go to the Beyond Vegetarianism site myself...although I started

there and that is why I am now here! I am not trying to convince you to

change your beliefs as I do not expect you to try to change mine so I'm not

going to debate the issue with you. Again, I'm just tired of people like you

posting on a group you know is vegan trying to convince us otherwise.

 

 

 

 

_____

 

John L. Fielder [academy.natural.living]

Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:20 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] (Rich) Re: Happy day.

 

 

Hi Rich,

 

It is my personal opinion that in spite of all that has been written to the

contrary, our bodies are not so much conditioned, as they are structured,

for us to be omnivores and not frugivores. By this I do not wish it to be

understood that I am advocating a high animal content in our diet - except

if we choose to live in the arctic regions. In fact the empirical evidence

suggests that the reverse is the case. Yet without it in some form or other,

whether it be through insects, as in the chimpanzee's, or dairy as in the

Hunza's, or meat as in the eskimo, all of which is consumed in its raw form,

seems to be of little import.

 

As to what do I eat. All of the above on regular, irregular basis via

un-washed fruit and vegetables, organically grown, raw goats milk yoghurt,

and raw fish. The regularity is according to the demands of my body which

can vary according to circumstances such as the amount of physical activity,

climatic conditions, amount of stress being exposed to, etc. Some times it

may be on a daily basis. At others weekly, and even monthly or even

bi-monthly or longer as the case may be.

 

There appears to be no phase of living that is opposed to a raw food diet as

long as the above conditions are observed. In the instance that they are

not, then I would say that the most antagonistic phase to no animal intake

is that of reproduction. Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile

until they include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born

deformed, with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name

the two most outstanding conditions that I have observed.

 

John

 

 

John L. Fielder

Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant

Academy of Natural Living

www.iig.com.au/anl

 

 

 

Rawist wrote:

 

>

> What do you eat then? What phase of living would be antagonistic to

> a raw food diet? Are you saying veganism and fruitarianism are not

> practical because our bodies are conditioned a certain way over many

> generations? We may have been raw meat eaters from the very

> beginning, but that doesn't mean we were meant to be that way. Nice

> farm in Australia by the way. I wish I lived in an arranged

> community of spiritual growth where I could eat my raw food diet.

>

> Rich

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John wrote:

<Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not being aware that this

was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism was not open for

discussion.>

 

Yes, this is a vegan group and yes the subject of veganism is open for

discussion. What I can't seem to understand is what part of raw flesh, eggs

and animal milk is vegan?

Breezi

 

 

 

 

 

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The group description is as follows:

 

(snip)

 

This group is here to support people wanting to learn

how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because

something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the

best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw

Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote

other diets.

 

(snap)

 

--- " John L. Fielder "

> Hi Bob & Breezi,

>

> Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not

> being aware that this

> was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism

> was not open for

> discussion.

>

> John

 

 

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and peace ever after,

just you wait and see...

---Vera Lynn]

 

 

 

 

 

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