Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Bob & Breezi wrote: > > Breezi > > PS I really don't want you to post or send links of the articles you > have > read that made you come to the conclusions about this. If I want to read > these I can go to the Beyond Vegetarianism site myself...although I > started > there and that is why I am now here! I am not trying to convince you to > change your beliefs as I do not expect you to try to change mine so > I'm not > going to debate the issue with you. Again, I'm just tired of people > like you > posting on a group you know is vegan trying to convince us otherwise. Hi Bob & Breezi, Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not being aware that this was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism was not open for discussion. John > > > > John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 John Fielder, You wrote: <Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile until they include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born deformed, with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name the two most outstanding conditions that I have observed.> Just curious to know where you got this information? You do say this is your observation but I am still curious to know how you came to this conclusion? I have read many cases of women not being able to conceive and then becoming raw vegan and being able to become pregnant w/out complications and delivering healthy babies. As I said, I have read this on many occasions and do not have the proof of these readings at hand nor the time to look them up for you except for Jinjee and you can read about her and her raw pregnancies and very healthy children at http://www.thegardendiet.com/. To each his own but it never ceases to amazes me as to how many people come to this raw vegan group to try to convince us to incorporate raw flesh, eggs or the milk of animals into our diet in order for us to survive. Why are you here? Don't you have a raw group that includes flesh that you can hang out at and where you all share the same self concluded opinion that you need raw flesh to survive? (If not I suggest you go to http://www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml, you will fit right in). Does this mean that all the well known medical doctors who tell us that flesh causes a multitude of physical problems are wrong???? I don't mind you sharing with us your raw life style as long as you share the VEGAN part. You need to go the the site and reread what this group is about. It clearly states " This group supports a Vegan Raw Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote other diets. " I'm just running out of patience with those of you who have a problem reading directions (maybe the flesh eating is giving you brain fog). Breezi PS I really don't want you to post or send links of the articles you have read that made you come to the conclusions about this. If I want to read these I can go to the Beyond Vegetarianism site myself...although I started there and that is why I am now here! I am not trying to convince you to change your beliefs as I do not expect you to try to change mine so I'm not going to debate the issue with you. Again, I'm just tired of people like you posting on a group you know is vegan trying to convince us otherwise. _____ John L. Fielder [academy.natural.living] Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:20 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] (Rich) Re: Happy day. Hi Rich, It is my personal opinion that in spite of all that has been written to the contrary, our bodies are not so much conditioned, as they are structured, for us to be omnivores and not frugivores. By this I do not wish it to be understood that I am advocating a high animal content in our diet - except if we choose to live in the arctic regions. In fact the empirical evidence suggests that the reverse is the case. Yet without it in some form or other, whether it be through insects, as in the chimpanzee's, or dairy as in the Hunza's, or meat as in the eskimo, all of which is consumed in its raw form, seems to be of little import. As to what do I eat. All of the above on regular, irregular basis via un-washed fruit and vegetables, organically grown, raw goats milk yoghurt, and raw fish. The regularity is according to the demands of my body which can vary according to circumstances such as the amount of physical activity, climatic conditions, amount of stress being exposed to, etc. Some times it may be on a daily basis. At others weekly, and even monthly or even bi-monthly or longer as the case may be. There appears to be no phase of living that is opposed to a raw food diet as long as the above conditions are observed. In the instance that they are not, then I would say that the most antagonistic phase to no animal intake is that of reproduction. Mothers do not become mothers. They are sterile until they include some animal product. Children can be, and often are, born deformed, with the most common defect manifesting as brain damage to name the two most outstanding conditions that I have observed. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Rawist wrote: > > What do you eat then? What phase of living would be antagonistic to > a raw food diet? Are you saying veganism and fruitarianism are not > practical because our bodies are conditioned a certain way over many > generations? We may have been raw meat eaters from the very > beginning, but that doesn't mean we were meant to be that way. Nice > farm in Australia by the way. I wish I lived in an arranged > community of spiritual growth where I could eat my raw food diet. > > Rich * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 John wrote: <Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not being aware that this was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism was not open for discussion.> Yes, this is a vegan group and yes the subject of veganism is open for discussion. What I can't seem to understand is what part of raw flesh, eggs and animal milk is vegan? Breezi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 The group description is as follows: (snip) This group is here to support people wanting to learn how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote other diets. (snap) --- " John L. Fielder " > Hi Bob & Breezi, > > Many thanks for your posting. I must admit to not > being aware that this > was a vegan group and that the subject of veganism > was not open for > discussion. > > John ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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