Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 In a message dated 1/22/05 11:04:53 AM Central Standard Time, seconaphim writes: > Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the > nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies > react fine to it. > > rawfood , janet <tapar10> wrote: > >My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him > his > >first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they > >both eat a meat-based standard diet Babies were meant to drink for the first few months. Diluted carrot juice is good. there is a book I've had for many years. It's falling apart. It has a section about vegan babies. I think it's called Ten Talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him his first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they both eat a meat-based standard diet. (I've been trying to be mostly raw for the past few years.) The first food she gave the baby was reconstituted rice cereal. I asked why not give him some wholesome, pureed fresh fruit instead. Her reply was that fruit was too sweet as a first solid food for babies; consequently, they would reject less sweet vegetables later. Then I asked why not give him pureed fresh vegetables as a starter food? She said you have to give babies a bland cereal initially, otherwise, they develop allergies if given fruits and vegetables first. Her sources of information, she said, were nutrition books she read and her pediatrician. So, to those of you on the list who are raising babies on raw diets, what do you give for the first solid food - and at what age? How do they react to it? - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies react fine to it. rawfood , janet <tapar10> wrote: > My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him his > first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they > both eat a meat-based standard diet. (I've been trying to be mostly > raw for the past few years.) > > The first food she gave the baby was reconstituted rice cereal. I > asked why not give him some wholesome, pureed fresh fruit instead. Her > reply was that fruit was too sweet as a first solid food for babies; > consequently, they would reject less sweet vegetables later. > > Then I asked why not give him pureed fresh vegetables as a starter > food? She said you have to give babies a bland cereal initially, > otherwise, they develop allergies if given fruits and vegetables first. > Her sources of information, she said, were nutrition books she read > and her pediatrician. > > So, to those of you on the list who are raising babies on raw diets, > what do you give for the first solid food - and at what age? How do > they react to it? > > - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 I forgot about raw milk from nuts. From the Urantia Book: P.834 - §5 The Adamic children did not take milk from animals when they ceased to nurse the mother's breast at one year of age. Eve had access to the milk of a great variety of nuts and to the juices of many fruits, and knowing full well the chemistry and energy of these foods, she suitably combined them for the nourishment of her children until the appearance of teeth. P.834 - §6 While cooking was universally employed outside of the immediate Adamic sector of Eden, there was no cooking in Adam's household. They found their foods--fruits, nuts, and cereals--ready prepared as they ripened. They ate once a day, shortly after noontime. rawfood , " Rawist " <seconaphim> wrote: > > Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the > nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies > react fine to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Go buy and download the e-book on how to raise a raw vegan baby from www.thegardendiet.com <http://www.thegardendiet.com/> you wont be disappointed! Carrot juice can be tricky because of the high fructose. Very hard on the pancreas if taken in too fast! Diluting is good!!!! ejohns9525 [ejohns9525] Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:14 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Baby's First Solid Food In a message dated 1/22/05 11:04:53 AM Central Standard Time, seconaphim writes: > Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the > nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies > react fine to it. > > rawfood , janet <tapar10> wrote: > >My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him > his > >first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they > >both eat a meat-based standard diet Babies were meant to drink for the first few months. Diluted carrot juice is good. there is a book I've had for many years. It's falling apart. It has a section about vegan babies. I think it's called Ten Talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 You may also wish to present your query to: http://health.rawfoodbabies/ http://health.RawBaby/ tev --- janet <tapar10 wrote: > So, to those of you on the list who are raising > babies on raw diets, > what do you give for the first solid food - and at > what age? How do > they react to it? > > - Janet ===== [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 > In a message dated 1/22/05 11:04:53 AM Central Standard Time, > seconaphim writes: > Babies were meant to drink for the first few months. Diluted carrot > juice > is good. Babies are certainly meant to drink mother's milk for the first few months; not sure about carrot juice. In any case, it's not the first few months I was asking about. The baby is now 5 months old and at some point has to start on solid food. I was wondering what the ideal first solid food should be and at what age. On Jan 22, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Rawist wrote: > Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the > nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies > react fine to it. Raw fruits and vegetables from BIRTH?...! I don't think so. Are you speaking from experience when you say they " react fine to it " ? On Jan 22, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Steven wrote: > > Go buy and download the e-book on how to raise a raw vegan baby from > www.thegardendiet.com <http://www.thegardendiet.com/> you wont be > disappointed! Carrot juice can be tricky because of the high > fructose. Very > hard on the pancreas if taken in too fast! Diluting is good!!! Thanks, Steven. I'll look into buying the book. On Jan 22, 2005, at 7:22 PM, tev treowlufu wrote: > You may also wish to present your query to: > http://health.rawfoodbabies/ > http://health.RawBaby/ > tev > I'll check 'em out. Thanks, Tev. - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 I would go to http://www.thegardendiet.com/children/ and purchase this wonderful book from these people who have the actual success of raising many children. A lot of people can suggest and talk about what they " think " will work but these people " know " what works! Steven janet [tapar10] Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:44 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re: Baby's First Solid Food > In a message dated 1/22/05 11:04:53 AM Central Standard Time, > seconaphim writes: > Babies were meant to drink for the first few months. Diluted carrot > juice > is good. Babies are certainly meant to drink mother's milk for the first few months; not sure about carrot juice. In any case, it's not the first few months I was asking about. The baby is now 5 months old and at some point has to start on solid food. I was wondering what the ideal first solid food should be and at what age. On Jan 22, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Rawist wrote: > Just ground up raw fruits and vegetables from birth, forget the > nutrition books and pediatricians who say differently. The babies > react fine to it. Raw fruits and vegetables from BIRTH?...! I don't think so. Are you speaking from experience when you say they " react fine to it " ? On Jan 22, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Steven wrote: > > Go buy and download the e-book on how to raise a raw vegan baby from > www.thegardendiet.com <http://www.thegardendiet.com/> you wont be > disappointed! Carrot juice can be tricky because of the high > fructose. Very > hard on the pancreas if taken in too fast! Diluting is good!!! Thanks, Steven. I'll look into buying the book. On Jan 22, 2005, at 7:22 PM, tev treowlufu wrote: > You may also wish to present your query to: > http://health.rawfoodbabies/ > http://health.RawBaby/ > tev > I'll check 'em out. Thanks, Tev. - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Babies are certainly meant to drink mother's milk for the first few months; not sure about carrot juice. In any case, it's not the first few months I was asking about. The baby is now 5 months old and at some point has to start on solid food. I was wondering what the ideal first solid food should be and at what age. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. My babies didn't try solids until 8-9 months of age and then it was really just to taste and socialize with the family at the dinner table. They were/are all breastfed well into childhood and ate raw foods mostly up until they were tainted by their daddy LOL just kidding. They still eat a high percentage of raw most days. My 21 month old is still nursing and eats mostly raw unless he can snag some food off someone else plate. He is vegan. I do not give him meat or dairy. Favorite first foods are avocados #1 ! bananas, pieces of melon and just about any soft fruit. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Oh now I see the original post. Many allergies are related to cereals/grains. Its most unfortunate that doctors give this advice to feed babies their cereal as their first food. All my children had breastmilk, which is very sweet, as a first food. They naturally moved onto soft fruits and veggies. They eat more fruits than veggies but so do I sometimes and my dr. told my mother to give me cereal at 6 weeks (I was also formula fed). I think that give veggies instead of fruit because fruit is sweet is an old wives tale. I can't believe dr.s still say this. My belief has always been to not give solids until the baby " asks " for them. When the baby is able to sit up and feed himself then he is old enough to eat on his own. I have never spoon fed one of my babies anything. When they can feed themselves is more of a sign to me that they are developmentally ready to digest food other than breastmilk. Here is a FAQ from the www.lalecheleague.org website. I just typed in solids into the search box. Frequently Asked Questions Our FAQs present information from La Leche League International on topics of interest to parents of breastfed children. Not all of the information may be pertinent to your family's lifestyle. This information is general in nature and not intended to be advice, medical or otherwise. If you have a serious breastfeeding problem or concern, you are strongly encouraged to talk directly to a La Leche League Leader. Please consult health care professionals on any medical issue, as La Leche League Leaders are not medical practitioners. When should I start solids? We La Leche League Leaders often hear this question from mothers as their baby approaches the four month mark. Their friends have told them, " When you bring the baby in for his four month checkup, the doctor is going to suggest starting solids. " If you look for the signs of readiness for solids listed below, you can tell your doctor you are waiting for the baby to tell you he is ready, not going by what the date on the calendar is. Just as we say, for breastfeeding in the early months, " watch the baby, not the clock, " so do we also recommend, at this stage, " watch the baby, not the calendar. " Solid foods are not recommended for infants until sometime around the middle of the first year. Prior to that time, an infant's digestive system is not mature enough to digest foods other than human milk adequately. The American Academy of Pediatrics says, " babies don't need other foods in their diet until somewhere in the middle of the first year of life. " This statement is very useful, because it doesn't say your baby needs other food at some specific age. You can let your baby be your guide. And babies will tell you when they are ready for solids, somewhere between 6 and 12 months. Watch for these signs: * increased nursing that continues for more than a few days and is unrelated to illness or teething; * increased interest in table food while others are eating; * the ability to sit up; absence of the tongue-thrusting reflex so that baby does not push solids out of his mouth; * and an ability to pick up food and put it in his mouth. Usually there is one meal a day when the family is together and the baby is on someone's lap, in an infant seat or in a high chair. And when you take a bite of food, the baby's eyes follow your fork from the time it leaves your plate until it's in your mouth with a look of, " how could you eat that without giving me some. " Or if the baby is on someone's lap, he reaches for food on your plate, puts it in his mouth, and quickly does it again. There is a time around three or four months when a baby gets really good at grabbing things (like the food off your plate or toys off the floor), but after it goes into the baby's mouth, he really isn't interested in eating it. Another thing you may want to take notice of, is that your baby may think he/she is ready for solids, may be grabbing food off your plate, and enjoying the new taste. But later in the day, the baby may have an upset tummy, become constipated, or you may see the food come out in the diaper, in the same form as when it went in, completely undigested. Your milk is remains the perfect nutritious food for your baby, until his system is ready for table foods. If you've started solids, you can stop, and try again a few weeks later. Also keep in mind that four months is the bare minimum age at which your baby might be ready for a taste of solid food. It's much more common for a baby to be ready for solids later in his first year. If you are a first time mother, you may be eager to try it. Your own mother and friends may also be excited to help, or discuss it with you. You may be looking forward to meeting this new stage in your baby's life. Some babies don't lose the tongue thrust instinct until much later, they may have a strong gag reflex, or they may have allergies, and refuse food instinctively. There's a chance your baby won't be ready for solids until eight or ten months, or even later. Rest assured that your milk is still meeting all your baby's nutritional needs at this time. Look at your baby. Is he well filled out, alert, active, healthy, growing? Congratulations! Your own breastmilk and good care is responsible for that. When your baby does start other foods, remember to breastfeed first and then offer solids. Also, a baby doesn't need large quantities, just a teaspoon or so to start. Other foods still aren't as good for your baby as human milk during the first year, so you're just trying to get baby used to other tastes and textures. Mashed banana is an easy food to start with, and babies almost always like it. Protein foods come early in the rotation-- mashed tender cuts of meat, etc. Eggs should wait a little while. When you start feeding your baby solids, introduce only one new food at a time, and wait a week before trying each new food. This way you can watch for any signs of allergic reaction (such as rashes, hives, wheezing, or diarrhea). If you have a family history of allergies, you need to be especially cautious. Foods that are commonly allergenic include cow's milk, eggs (especially the whites), citrus fruits, peanuts, wheat, and corn. La Leche League's philosophy about nutrition applies to babies starting solids as well as to the rest of the family: " Good nutrition means eating a well-balanced and varied diet of foods in as close to their natural state as possible. " It's not necessary to buy jars of commercial baby food. You can prepare your own baby food with a blender, food processor, food mill, or often just a fork. If you do buy baby food, read the labels carefully and avoid foods with added sweeteners. Television commercials will have you believe your baby needs solids for the iron supplement. Your milk has iron in it, and while in small quantities, it's very easily absorbed. Some doctors may want to check your baby's blood for anemia at about nine months. This can put your mind to rest. Breastfed babies rarely become anemic. If you wait until later in the first year to start solids, you can avoid the expense of commercially prepared baby food, or the effort of pureeing your own table food. An older baby, with a couple of teeth, can handle some food from your straight from your table, simply mash it with your fork, if necessary, add a little water. Avoid dairy, citrus fruits, honey, and eggs until he is about one year of age. Also avoid sugar and salt. Introduce one new food at a time, to be safe. Wait a few days to see how your baby handles it. La Leche League has a great list of suggested foods to start with in its manual, The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding (available through our catalog). And at the La Leche League meeting on the topic of weaning, first foods are always discussed. You can call 1-800-LA-LECHE in the USA to find the group closest to you, or check our Web Page Index. Last updated Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:19 PM by sak. HOME | What's New | About LLLI | Catalogue | Breastfeeding Info | Conferences/Workshops Join/Donate | Advocacy | Professional Info | Leader Pages | Groups/Affiliates | Contact LLLI | Espanol C2005 La Leche League Internatio janet [tapar10] Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:16 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Baby's First Solid Food My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him his first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they both eat a meat-based standard diet. (I've been trying to be mostly raw for the past few years.) The first food she gave the baby was reconstituted rice cereal. I asked why not give him some wholesome, pureed fresh fruit instead. Her reply was that fruit was too sweet as a first solid food for babies; consequently, they would reject less sweet vegetables later. Then I asked why not give him pureed fresh vegetables as a starter food? She said you have to give babies a bland cereal initially, otherwise, they develop allergies if given fruits and vegetables first. Her sources of information, she said, were nutrition books she read and her pediatrician. So, to those of you on the list who are raising babies on raw diets, what do you give for the first solid food - and at what age? How do they react to it? - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 great thought and opions kaculwell wrote:Oh now I see the original post. Many allergies are related to cereals/grains. Its most unfortunate that doctors give this advice to feed babies their cereal as their first food. All my children had breastmilk, which is very sweet, as a first food. They naturally moved onto soft fruits and veggies. They eat more fruits than veggies but so do I sometimes and my dr. told my mother to give me cereal at 6 weeks (I was also formula fed). I think that give veggies instead of fruit because fruit is sweet is an old wives tale. I can't believe dr.s still say this. My belief has always been to not give solids until the baby " asks " for them. When the baby is able to sit up and feed himself then he is old enough to eat on his own. I have never spoon fed one of my babies anything. When they can feed themselves is more of a sign to me that they are developmentally ready to digest food other than breastmilk. Here is a FAQ from the www.lalecheleague.org website. I just typed in solids into the search box. Frequently Asked Questions Our FAQs present information from La Leche League International on topics of interest to parents of breastfed children. Not all of the information may be pertinent to your family's lifestyle. This information is general in nature and not intended to be advice, medical or otherwise. If you have a serious breastfeeding problem or concern, you are strongly encouraged to talk directly to a La Leche League Leader. Please consult health care professionals on any medical issue, as La Leche League Leaders are not medical practitioners. When should I start solids? We La Leche League Leaders often hear this question from mothers as their baby approaches the four month mark. Their friends have told them, " When you bring the baby in for his four month checkup, the doctor is going to suggest starting solids. " If you look for the signs of readiness for solids listed below, you can tell your doctor you are waiting for the baby to tell you he is ready, not going by what the date on the calendar is. Just as we say, for breastfeeding in the early months, " watch the baby, not the clock, " so do we also recommend, at this stage, " watch the baby, not the calendar. " Solid foods are not recommended for infants until sometime around the middle of the first year. Prior to that time, an infant's digestive system is not mature enough to digest foods other than human milk adequately. The American Academy of Pediatrics says, " babies don't need other foods in their diet until somewhere in the middle of the first year of life. " This statement is very useful, because it doesn't say your baby needs other food at some specific age. You can let your baby be your guide. And babies will tell you when they are ready for solids, somewhere between 6 and 12 months. Watch for these signs: * increased nursing that continues for more than a few days and is unrelated to illness or teething; * increased interest in table food while others are eating; * the ability to sit up; absence of the tongue-thrusting reflex so that baby does not push solids out of his mouth; * and an ability to pick up food and put it in his mouth. Usually there is one meal a day when the family is together and the baby is on someone's lap, in an infant seat or in a high chair. And when you take a bite of food, the baby's eyes follow your fork from the time it leaves your plate until it's in your mouth with a look of, " how could you eat that without giving me some. " Or if the baby is on someone's lap, he reaches for food on your plate, puts it in his mouth, and quickly does it again. There is a time around three or four months when a baby gets really good at grabbing things (like the food off your plate or toys off the floor), but after it goes into the baby's mouth, he really isn't interested in eating it. Another thing you may want to take notice of, is that your baby may think he/she is ready for solids, may be grabbing food off your plate, and enjoying the new taste. But later in the day, the baby may have an upset tummy, become constipated, or you may see the food come out in the diaper, in the same form as when it went in, completely undigested. Your milk is remains the perfect nutritious food for your baby, until his system is ready for table foods. If you've started solids, you can stop, and try again a few weeks later. Also keep in mind that four months is the bare minimum age at which your baby might be ready for a taste of solid food. It's much more common for a baby to be ready for solids later in his first year. If you are a first time mother, you may be eager to try it. Your own mother and friends may also be excited to help, or discuss it with you. You may be looking forward to meeting this new stage in your baby's life. Some babies don't lose the tongue thrust instinct until much later, they may have a strong gag reflex, or they may have allergies, and refuse food instinctively. There's a chance your baby won't be ready for solids until eight or ten months, or even later. Rest assured that your milk is still meeting all your baby's nutritional needs at this time. Look at your baby. Is he well filled out, alert, active, healthy, growing? Congratulations! Your own breastmilk and good care is responsible for that. When your baby does start other foods, remember to breastfeed first and then offer solids. Also, a baby doesn't need large quantities, just a teaspoon or so to start. Other foods still aren't as good for your baby as human milk during the first year, so you're just trying to get baby used to other tastes and textures. Mashed banana is an easy food to start with, and babies almost always like it. Protein foods come early in the rotation-- mashed tender cuts of meat, etc. Eggs should wait a little while. When you start feeding your baby solids, introduce only one new food at a time, and wait a week before trying each new food. This way you can watch for any signs of allergic reaction (such as rashes, hives, wheezing, or diarrhea). If you have a family history of allergies, you need to be especially cautious. Foods that are commonly allergenic include cow's milk, eggs (especially the whites), citrus fruits, peanuts, wheat, and corn. La Leche League's philosophy about nutrition applies to babies starting solids as well as to the rest of the family: " Good nutrition means eating a well-balanced and varied diet of foods in as close to their natural state as possible. " It's not necessary to buy jars of commercial baby food. You can prepare your own baby food with a blender, food processor, food mill, or often just a fork. If you do buy baby food, read the labels carefully and avoid foods with added sweeteners. Television commercials will have you believe your baby needs solids for the iron supplement. Your milk has iron in it, and while in small quantities, it's very easily absorbed. Some doctors may want to check your baby's blood for anemia at about nine months. This can put your mind to rest. Breastfed babies rarely become anemic. If you wait until later in the first year to start solids, you can avoid the expense of commercially prepared baby food, or the effort of pureeing your own table food. An older baby, with a couple of teeth, can handle some food from your straight from your table, simply mash it with your fork, if necessary, add a little water. Avoid dairy, citrus fruits, honey, and eggs until he is about one year of age. Also avoid sugar and salt. Introduce one new food at a time, to be safe. Wait a few days to see how your baby handles it. La Leche League has a great list of suggested foods to start with in its manual, The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding (available through our catalog). And at the La Leche League meeting on the topic of weaning, first foods are always discussed. You can call 1-800-LA-LECHE in the USA to find the group closest to you, or check our Web Page Index. Last updated Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:19 PM by sak. HOME | What's New | About LLLI | Catalogue | Breastfeeding Info | Conferences/Workshops Join/Donate | Advocacy | Professional Info | Leader Pages | Groups/Affiliates | Contact LLLI | Espanol C2005 La Leche League Internatio janet [tapar10] Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:16 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Baby's First Solid Food My daughter has a 5-month old baby and she is starting to feed him his first solid food. She and her husband are not into raw foods; they both eat a meat-based standard diet. (I've been trying to be mostly raw for the past few years.) The first food she gave the baby was reconstituted rice cereal. I asked why not give him some wholesome, pureed fresh fruit instead. Her reply was that fruit was too sweet as a first solid food for babies; consequently, they would reject less sweet vegetables later. Then I asked why not give him pureed fresh vegetables as a starter food? She said you have to give babies a bland cereal initially, otherwise, they develop allergies if given fruits and vegetables first. Her sources of information, she said, were nutrition books she read and her pediatrician. So, to those of you on the list who are raising babies on raw diets, what do you give for the first solid food - and at what age? How do they react to it? - Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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